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I won't make this mistake again ... Atkins Endulge Premium Ice Cream
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:56:56 -0500, "DoughBoy"
announced in front of God and everybody: Have you given yourself enough time to get over your addiction (say, 2 weeks)? Those cravings just go away. Now, even though the though of eating some dark chocolate kit-kats sets the saliva running, I know that I can't have it. That is that. I won't replace it with unsweetened chocolate and some splenda. On a very real level, I need that stuff to stick to this way of eating for life. You only think you do because you keep telling youself you can't do it without them. Let me see if I can be clear about this. Because obviously I wasn't before. If you go back and re-read my post, you may note that I said I lost 35 pounds without relying on SF desserts or meal bars or insta-shakes. That's hardly "telling [myself I] can't do it without them." Yeah, I lost the cravings. I still have no cravings ... as long as I don't eat sugar. Eating sugar-free chocolate doesn't give me cravings. It brings me pleasure. It satisfies the part of me that wants to experience that pleasure, without triggering out-of-control behavior. It also keeps me from accepting the occasional proffered cookie or bit of candy from unsuspecting friends ... thereby helping me to avoid eating sugar. And cravings. And out-of-control behavior. I agree with you that eating exactly the same thing every day is easier than planning variety into meals. But I'll go you a step further -- I refuse to live the rest of my life that way. I *can't*. I'm a foodie and an ex-chef, and it's a deeply ingrained part of my very nature to eat a wide variety of foods -- including chocolate now and then. For me, it's not about deluding myself into thinking I need something I really don't. It's about understanding myself, my own needs, and MY triggers. I'm different from you. What works for you is great ... but you're not me. And -- again, if you read what I wrote without making assumptions -- you may notice that I use the word "occasional" to describe how often I eat these things. I'm hardly convinced that "I can't do without them." How ... fundamentalist. Switch "eating a scoop of ice cream" with "masturbate" in that paragraph and parse the whole thing over again. /boggle Moderation and common sense are the key. Not abstinence. Not for everybody, anyway. I agree with that. Its just that moderation and common sense go out the window when you start having 'just one more Low Carb (candy)bar'. Again -- that's you. Your experience is not everyone's. Dawn |
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Coffee ( I won't make this mistake again ... Atkins Endulge Premium Ice Cream
DoughBoy wrote: (about coffee)
since. You don't need it. Stop telling yourself you need it. There are some "wants" that come into the realm of "need". My husband's home-roasted coffee is one of them. I'm sure that I don't NEED it to keep existing, but it sure makes life a lot more pleasant for me. The difference between the crap one can buy in a can and even in bulk at a "specialty" coffee shop and coffee that was roasted *recently* well, there's NO comparison ;-) I'm not into the fake foods (I've tried a few and ick blech), but I can most certainly understand the reasoning behind those who do have them from time to time. CM |
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I won't make this mistake again ... Atkins Endulge Premium Ice Cream
Hello i,
Just curious how your exercise routine is coming along? How many pull-ups are you able to do consecutively? Just curious.. Paul "Ignoramus25969" wrote in message ... In article , jmk wrote: On 1/27/2004 8:49 AM, Ignoramus14140 wrote: It is obvious that my posts are my opinion. And the fact that junk food is worthless food, is also a fact, not an opinion. OK, you advocate not eating junk food. Could you please post what you do eat? For example, what's on today's menu? Perhaps you example could be instructive to us so please be as specific as possible (not two pounds of fresh vegetables, but the names of the vegetables and quantities of each). Thanks! This week only, I am logging my food into fitday because I want to check if I get all vitamins etc from my food. I am trying to decide if I need to take vitamin pills. So, I log all that I eat, with the caveat that I eyeball all quantities instead of really weighing them. So, maybe instead of 6 ounces of something I actually ate 5 or 7. Take quantities with a grain of salt if you wish. I usually log everything in the morning -- stuff from last night, as well as breakfast and the food I took with me to work for lunch. So, in today's log, you will see my lunch food in addition to breakfast food. I am not doing this to show off, again, but to figure out how I meet my nutrients. I asked sci.life-extension whether I need extra vitamins and I will use this data to make conclusions. Some foods are approximations. Example. I ate fried liver yesterday (without breading). Could not find it in fitday and entered braised liver. http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJ...?Owner=ichudov i |
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I won't make this mistake again ... Atkins Endulge Premium Ice Cream
Is this the reason you're still fat?
-- JC Eat less, exercise more. -- "Dawn Taylor" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:48:41 -0500, "DoughBoy" announced in front of God and everybody: While I don't agree with his methods, I do whole-heartedly agree with the message. I also fit into the catagory of *NEVER* eating a piece of junk food. I've made a serious change to my lifestyle because of many reasons... numero uno being that I don't feel like dying. I'm not willing to half-ass it and cheat. Nobody NEEDS those cheat foods. "Need" is open for interpretation. Do you need "junk foods" -- which I'm taking to mean both processed LC products and foods eaten more for psychological enjoyment than for nutrition -- for optimum health? Of course not. But eating isn't purely about fueling the body. If it were, we'd all eat the same thing at every meal, every day. Food offers pleasure and variety. Food can be fun. It's about balancing the fun and the common sense. Me, my "needs" are different from yours, which are different than other posters'. I need coffee. Every morning. You may argue that I don't literally NEED coffee to survive ... and I would grudgingly agree with that. Semantically, anyway. But on a very basic, fundamental level, I need my freakin' cup o' joe, dammit. Don;t tell me any different -- because you have *no idea*. When I started low-carbing, I didn't eat anything that smacked of "treats" or echoed the junk foods I'd had problems with. I found sugar-free Jell-O an inadequate substitute for real dessert and it only made me crave the real thing more. Meal replacement bars were disgusting. Ditto Atkins shake mix (gack). After losing a fair amount of weight -- 35 pounds -- I discovered that I was a happier girl if I occasionally had a SF chocolate bar or a scoop of CarbSmart ice cream. I love food -- all sorts of food -- and yeah, I have a lifelong sweet tooth and a real problem with sugar addiction. If I eat something with sugar, anything at all, it can send me off-track for days. But not the sugar-free stuff ... and having soime of that a couple of times a week keeps me from saying yes to something loaded with white sugar. On a very real level, I need that stuff to stick to this way of eating for life. I've even come around on the protein bars. Every once in a while -- about once a month -- I find myself in a situation where a LC lunch is difficult to acquire. But a bottle of water and a Carb Solutions bar get me through until dinner. I wouldn't eat them every day -- they're expensive and only moderately nutritious -- but they definitely have their place. Pretend they don't exist. Instead of giving in to temptation of eating a scoop of ice cream... go do some activity that you enjoy... play a video game, masturbate, go play shoot some hoops, draw, whatever. Giving in to your temptations and letting them control you is indicative of a weak mind. Control your own body, don't let it control you. How ... fundamentalist. Switch "eating a scoop of ice cream" with "masturbate" in that paragraph and parse the whole thing over again. Some might be able to have cheats and snacks. For many others it leads further down the slippery slope that ends with a Big-Mac, Super-sized fry, jumbo coke, and a pint of Ben & Jerry's. You;re absolutely right. But for others it keeps them from that slippery slope by offering an alternative. Moderation and common sense are the key. Not abstinence. Not for everybody, anyway. Dawn |
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I won't make this mistake again ... Atkins Endulge Premium Ice Cream
That's really good. Have you ever heard of kipping? I'm not sure that's
the correct spelling, but in the Marines they taught us a certain way to swing the body in a steady motion while doing the pull-ups and it allows you to get more pull-ups done. Keep up the good work. Paul "Ignoramus25969" wrote in message ... In article , Paul wrote: Hello i, Just curious how your exercise routine is coming along? How many pull-ups are you able to do consecutively? Just curious.. I just tried, I can do 14 pullups. i Paul "Ignoramus25969" wrote in message ... In article , jmk wrote: On 1/27/2004 8:49 AM, Ignoramus14140 wrote: It is obvious that my posts are my opinion. And the fact that junk food is worthless food, is also a fact, not an opinion. OK, you advocate not eating junk food. Could you please post what you do eat? For example, what's on today's menu? Perhaps you example could be instructive to us so please be as specific as possible (not two pounds of fresh vegetables, but the names of the vegetables and quantities of each). Thanks! This week only, I am logging my food into fitday because I want to check if I get all vitamins etc from my food. I am trying to decide if I need to take vitamin pills. So, I log all that I eat, with the caveat that I eyeball all quantities instead of really weighing them. So, maybe instead of 6 ounces of something I actually ate 5 or 7. Take quantities with a grain of salt if you wish. I usually log everything in the morning -- stuff from last night, as well as breakfast and the food I took with me to work for lunch. So, in today's log, you will see my lunch food in addition to breakfast food. I am not doing this to show off, again, but to figure out how I meet my nutrients. I asked sci.life-extension whether I need extra vitamins and I will use this data to make conclusions. Some foods are approximations. Example. I ate fried liver yesterday (without breading). Could not find it in fitday and entered braised liver. http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJ...?Owner=ichudov i |
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I won't make this mistake again ... Atkins Endulge Premium Ice Cream
Granted the effect on everyone will be different it has not affected me.
I only eat a few at a time (2 or 3 at most in an hour period) because of the gas issues. some I can eat 5 or 6 in a day and have no problem. some if I have 2 I am dead :-) all in all I have noticed NO difference in my weight loss (down to 348 !! finally broke 350 first time in at least 5 years !!) I lost 4 pounds this past week. 3 the previous and 7 in the prior to that 12 days. (was in vegas at CES so I did a HUGE amount of walking which is what helped that extra weight loss along) I have gone a week with nearly no sugar alcohol and then I have gone a week with lots of sugar alcohols and no effect so far (thankfully) the ice cream is a killer. I have managed to stop myself at half of an atkins endule pint thing. (I adjust the rest of my meals to keep under 30 carbs and 2000 calories as needed) in fact I did this twice this past week and lost a pound more than last time. I do watch to be very careful with it though. I usually buy about $10 worth of SF candy (5 or 6 bags) and that usually last me about 2 to 2.5 months or so. I especially like the Life Savers one. VERY VERY smooth and good flavors and so far no gas issues and it only makes me soft when I do a #2 no squirts :-) hehehe the breyers stuff tastes MAGNITUDES better than the atkins endulge stuff (I only like the vanilla fudge stuff the others are horrible) but the atkins stuff is easier to manage as far as how much I eat eat. I am also fortunate in that I do not have cravings issues. at all. Chris Taylor http://www.nerys.com/ On the topic, there's been a great deal of discussion here (some of which I am sure you've seen) about the extent to which sugar alcohols spike blood sugar. While I don't share Ignoramus's draconian (and authoritarian and downright nosy) attitudes about what other people should eat, I have been afraid to try any products with sugar alcohols. Having read repeatedly that they can do one or more of the following (1) cause diarrhea, (2) be metabolized just like carbs, (3) cause cravings, (4) raise blood sugar, it hasn't been hard for me to stay away from them. I'm sorry you had a bad experience with the ice cream, but fortunately for me your data point provides me another reason to stay away from them. carla |
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I won't make this mistake again ... Atkins Endulge Premium Ice Cream
Not comparable. at least not to me. my problem with cigarettes has nothing
to do with the smokers health. I believe you do and should have the right to make your health any damned thing you want it to be. cigarettes on the other hand also effect MY HEALTH. now we have a problem. YOU eating junkfood has NO impact on my health whatsoever therfore I can not see comparing the two. also having something "junky" is nice if you can afford to. I can so I do. very rarely. if you can not afford it then you should not. you can eat anything you want (reasonably) and it is not unhealthy. having TOO MUCH of it or too large a displacement of it etc.. is what makes it unhealthy. it still has things your body needs. it burns just as good as the next peice of matter. but thats about all it does. sure you can eat different thing and get more but now we have to seperate the mental and the physical. some people (this might surprise you) LIKE chocolate. it gives them mental and physical PLEASURE to consume it. it makes them FEEL GOOD. it does nothing for me. I am not a candy person. the only reason I got in SF candy at all is that its something I can chew or suck on while in the car (I do a lot of driving) and relatively speaking its affordable for that function. otherwise I don't eat candy. not because its bad for me. just because I do not overly enjoy it. its not a thrill. I got fat eating 2 servings of steak 2 servings of potatoes and 5 servings of veggies (vegaholic) etc.. etc.. I used to NEED to eat this much (used to be extremely active) now I do not so I got fat because I did not smarten up fast enough. I came to LIKE eating that much. now I am paying for it. I have a VERY STRONG will and ego. it is exceedingly easy for me to say "no" to something once I realize I have a want of need to say no to something. I have never really eaten unhealthy. just too much (which is unhealthy but in a different way but I think you get what I am saying you sound intelligent) I am lucky. once I found a diet that worked well I have had no problem sticking to it. I have lost easily over 60 pounds so far and have never had a relapse in any way. I went to vegas for CES. VERY hard to stay on diet. never cheated one time. its easy for me. I have a strong will and I am pig headed :-) stubborn whatever. when I want something I get it. period. someone people DO NOT have super strong wills or egos. it boggles my mind when I read someone saying they can not help it to buy regular candy after having SF candy and all (please to that person no offense I am just using you as an example) it boggles my mind. how could one NO CONTROL such an obvious urge. you HAVE to DRIVE to said location WALK into said location SELECT said items WALK to counter DRAW money and PAY for said items. then you have to OPEN and CONSUME said items. these are all VERY VERY "consciensly" (sp?) actions that you have to CHOOSE to perform. I am not this kind for person. I control me. not the other way around (as odd as that sounds) period. since I have never experienced that kinf of an event I guess I am just incapable of mentally grasping it. I just can not wrap my mind around it. I see it like this. I have a very strong will and a strong ego. but that is it. they are MY EGO AND MY WILL. not the other way around. I created and control them. they do not control me and determine my actions. my actions are my own doing. I choose to do so (form believe in free will :-) I guess I just see it differently. when I eat half a container of endulge icecream I do not do so because I can not help it or I crave it. I do so because I DECIDED that I wanted it and I decided that i was going to eat that much. period. some people can not do this easily. so getting back on the topic (I tend to be very non linear when I rant :-) apparently some people are not so well off in this regard.they do not easily reign in control over their desires. sure its easy to say well just do it you fat f*&k but clearly that is pointless to even say. just look at how much of this nation is outright fat. :-) clearly SOMETHING is going on. if atkins can make a "relatively" safe item to help people quelch those cravings I SAY ALL THE POWER TO THEM !!! the end result ideally is that it will help them control those cravings enough for the diet to WORK. if that can happen then I say BRING ON THE JUNK FOOD. anything to reduce the amount of fat people in this country. hopefully once they are not fat and once they have gone a while working bit by bit to control those urges and cravings they can get off the junk and not need it anymore. maybe not. but at least they won't be fat. THATS the objective. its easy for me to say no junk. clearly it sounds like its easy for you to. it is not so easy for others. you likely are like me. you simply can not wrap your mind around their problems. they make no sense to you. although I can not do this I CAN recognize the fact that a variable incomprehensible to me IS PRESENT and THIS (relatively carb safe junk food) IS a viable and working solution to the problem. MY sister is a junk food freak. she CRAVES her candy and goodies. although I know she cheats clearly she has reigned in that cheating enough to allow the diet to be effective. she has lost nearly 50 pounds so far. !! I PRAY she never stalls. I purposely incorporates slight too much carbs in her menu to "vary things up" a bit to try and prevent a stall from occuring since any elongated stall would be devastating to her ego and will. seeing that number drop "visibly" lower each week (always 2+ pounds every week) is doing a tremendous amount to keep her motivated and dedicated. without that steady visible loss I fear she would drop off. so I do everything I can to make sure she does not stall. now that I know this diet works (first time I did not realize that I was losing weight and that I was simply above the scale limitations :-) I will never drop off till I have reached goal (225-250 leanign more towards 225 will see as I get closer) and afterward I will never go back to what I was doing before. I will also start dramatically increasing my physical loads. this will allow me (and quite literally require) me to endulge a little more and prevent any problems from occuring again (I got lazy when I went to school and got fat :-) I will work to make sure that never happens again. I am an activity junky and as I get lighter I am more and more able to involve myself in activities again. 8 months ago I could NOT have done CES. 8 hours of walking continiously every day would have been WAY too much for me physically. by the time I went to CES I had lost around 40 pounds and the difference was staggering. it hurt and I got tired fast but I WAS ABLE to mush on and do it. as I get ligher I will be able to do more. I LONGINGLY look forward to warmer weather so I can break out my new bike again. I lose weight so much faster when I have vigorous excercise every day. (was riding 60-90 minutes every day till it just got too cold) that is my motivation. some people need more. Chris Taylor http://www.nerys.com/ Try substituting "cgigarettes" for "junk food", for more clarity. Does one cigarette cause loss of health? Hardly. What's the big deal? Is it a good idea to smoke one cigarette? Not really. Even one sigarette does a very tiny amount of damage. Small, but real damage. While one could "enjoy cigarettes in moderation", say smoke one cigarette per month, that's not what happens in reality. Same is with junk food. Consider this Atkins Endulge chocolate bar: |
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I won't make this mistake again ... Atkins Endulge Premium Ice Cream
On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 04:41:09 GMT, CarbAddict
announced in front of God and everybody: From: Dawn Taylor (Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:12:06 -0800) MsgId: ESPECIALLY in a newsgroup where nutrition advice is being bandied about -- it's important to make it clear when you're sharing what you believe to be facts vs. bald-faced opinion. Everything posted by someone is their opinion unless otherwise noted. Labeling fact vs. opinion is a courtesy, not a requirement. Actually, no. Not everything is opinion. If I said, "The smallest bone in the human body is the stirrup bone located in the middle ear" that's not opinion. But if I said, "Avoid aspartame, because it'll stall your weight loss" or "Sugar alcohols are absorbed by the body the same as other carbohydrates" ... well, those sound like they could be facts. But they're not. Dawn |
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I won't make this mistake again ... Atkins Endulge Premium Ice Cream
On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:55:28 GMT, CarbAddict
announced in front of God and everybody: I could go on, but let's agree to disagree. Im My Opinion, a person reading a usenet post should consider it opinion and not fact. If I understand you correctly, in your opinion, they should consider it a fact unless told otherwise. Or at least think the other person thinks it is a fact. Let me put it this way -- it doesn't hurt to assume that other people aren't as bright as they could be. Dumb as it is, there's a reason for those warning labels (like "Don't store near open flame" on a can of lighter fluid). I do agree with you that one should take everything you read on Usenet with a healthy grain of salt -- but not everyone does. Which is why I think one ought to be clear on the other end. See? We don't disagree *that* much! Dawn |
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I won't make this mistake again ... Atkins Endulge Premium Ice Cream
On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 13:06:05 -0600, Ignoramus16237
announced in front of God and everybody: In article , Dawn Taylor wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:55:28 GMT, CarbAddict announced in front of God and everybody: I could go on, but let's agree to disagree. Im My Opinion, a person reading a usenet post should consider it opinion and not fact. If I understand you correctly, in your opinion, they should consider it a fact unless told otherwise. Or at least think the other person thinks it is a fact. Let me put it this way -- it doesn't hurt to assume that other people aren't as bright as they could be. Dumb as it is, there's a reason for those warning labels (like "Don't store near open flame" on a can of lighter fluid). and if they are not bright, instead of endlessly equivocating about whos opinion is what, they should be simply told to eat no junk food. If they follow this suggestion, they cannot be worse off. So you figure that dumb people deserve less thorough, only partially correct advice? Well, isn't that special. Now do the superior dance. Dawn |
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