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Article: Young, skinny < and obsessed with diets
"Ignoramus2772" wrote in message
... I have not done the analysis You haven't done much. The gloves are off as are you from my killfile. (which involves looking at fatality rates and would give a priority to living longer, even if life is terminated by breast cancer), but I would expect anorexia to be a worse choice than non-anorexia, especially when better alternatives like sane calorie restriction are available. That said, I think that a finding of a negative link between anorexia and brest cancer to be interesting and worth mentioning. Interesting??? Interesting??? Have you suffered from anorexia? Ever know anyone who did? Ever have anyone you know die from it? Or, are you wishing you had it? Sounds like the latter to me. You need some real life friends. But anyway, here's some real facts for you, and yes, I quote them in here, rather than just post links (lazy, lazy, lazy). Hey, if she lives in old age, she might not get breast cancer, according to the ignorant one. But here are some really, really bad things that may happen: From: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/thin/faq.html What Are the Long-Term Medical and Emotional Consequences of these Disorders? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- The longer these illnesses persist, the greater the impairment to the individual's ability to work, love, and play. The course of these illnesses is very similar to other psychiatric difficulties such as drug and alcohol abuse, depression, anxiety, phobia, and obsessive-compulsive disorder. The illnesses dramatically interfere with being able to consistently work or go to school. They ruin relationships and make it very difficult to experience pleasure in life. In addition to being emotionally devastating, the illnesses can create serious medical problems. Adolescence is a time of rapid growth and development. The average weight gain for girls between the ages of 11 and 14 is 40 pounds. Approximately 90 percent of adult bone mass will be established during adolescence. Osteoporosis ("porous bones" that break easily) can begin early in both girls and boys who are dieting or suffering from Anorexia nervosa. An extended period of semi-starvation stunts growth, can delay the onset of menstruation, and can damage vital organs such as the heart and brain. Listed below are some of the most common medical problems. Medical Consequences of Anorexia Nervosa: - Starvation deprives the body of protein and prevents the normal metabolism of fat. In an effort to protect itself, the body slows down. - The heart muscle changes and its beat becomes irregular. The ultimate result can be heart failure that results in death. - Menstruation often stops, even before extensive weight loss. This is called amenorrhea. - Dehydration, kidney stones and kidney failure may result. - A fine body hair, called lanugo, develops on the arms and can even cover the face. - Muscles atrophy or waste away, resulting in weakness and lost muscle function. - Delayed gastric emptying caused by a lack of energy and slowed body function results in bowel irritation and constipation. - Loss of bone calcium leads to osteoporosis. But hey, no breast cancer!! ****ing moron. But wait...there's more! From: http://www.geocities.com/iamafatguy/pro.html Complications of Anorexia Nervosa Long Term Outlook. At this time no treatment program for anorexia nervosa is completely effective. In a recent study, although most women with anorexia nervosa recovered after treatment, many remained very thin and displayed traits characteristic of the disorder, including perfectionism and a drive for thinness, that could keep them at risk for recurrence of the eating disorder. Even in those who recover, one study indicated that recovery took between four and nearly seven years. Those at highest risk for poor outcome were people who had accompanying severe psychological disorders. Risk of Death. Many studies of anorexic patients have reported death rates ranging from 4% to 20%. The risk for early death is twice as high in bulimic anorexics as it is in the anorexic-restrictor types. Patients who are at the lowest weights when they are first treated are in the greatest danger. Suicide has been estimated in some studies to comprise as many as half the deaths in anorexia; although, in one study, suicide rates were lower in women with anorexia (1.4%) than in those with depression (4.1%). The study, however, only looked at death records of all women, which listed accompanying anorexia but which might have missed many unrecorded cases of anorexia. Other risk factors for early death include being sick for more than six years, previous obesity, personality disorders, and dysfunctional marriages. Males with anorexia are at particular risk for life-threatening medical problems, probably because they are diagnosed later than are females. Heart Disease. Heart disease is the most common medical cause of death in people with severe anorexia. The heart can develop dangerous rhythms, including slow rhythms known as bradycardia. Blood flow is reduced and blood pressure may drop. In addition, the heart muscles starve, losing size. Cholesterol levels tend to rise. Heart problems are a particular risk when anorexia is compounded by bulimia and the use of ipecac, the drug that causes vomiting. Electrolyte Imbalances. Minerals such as potassium, calcium, magnesium, and phosphate are normally dissolved in the body's fluid. Calcium and potassium are particularly critical for maintaining the electric currents that cause the heart to beat regularly. The dehydration and starvation of anorexia can reduce fluid levels and mineral content, a condition known as electrolyte imbalance, which can be very serious and even life-threatening unless fluids and minerals are replaced. Reproductive and Hormonal Abnormalities. Anorexia causes low levels of reproductive hormones, changes in thyroid hormones, and increased levels of the stress hormones. Long-term irregular or absent menstruation (amenorrhea) is common, which eventually may cause sterility and bone loss. Low weight alone may not be sufficient to cause amenorrhea; extreme fasting and purging behaviors may play an even stronger role in hormonal disturbance. Children and adolescents with anorexia may also experience retarded growth due to reduced levels of growth hormone. Resumption of menstruation, indicating restored estrogen levels, and weight increase improves the outlook, but in severe anorexia, even after treatment, normal menstruation never returns in 25% of such patients. Women who become pregnant before regaining normal weight face a poor reproductive future, with low birth weights, frequent miscarriages, and a high rate of children with birth defects. Loss of bone minerals (osteopenia) and osteoporosis caused by low estrogen levels and increased steroid hormones result in bones becoming porous and subject to fracture. Up to two-thirds of children and adolescent girls with anorexia fail to develop strong bones during this critical growing period; one study reported that after eleven years, low bone density persisted in 85% of women who had been anorexic as adolescents but had regained normal weight and menstruation. Only restoring regular menstruation as soon as possible can protect against permanent bone loss; weight gain is not enough. The longer the eating disorder persists the more likely the bone loss will be permanent. Patients who are rehabilitated at a young age (15 years or younger) are more likely to achieve normal bone density. Neurological Problems. People with severe anorexia may suffer nerve damage and experience seizures, disordered thinking, loss of feeling, or other nerve problems in the hands or feet. Brains scans indicate that parts of the brain undergo structural changes and abnormal activity during anorexic states; some of these changes return to normal after weight gain, but there is evidence that some damage may be permanent. Blood Problems. Anemia is a common result of anorexia and starvation. A particularly serious blood problem is pernicious anemia, which can be caused by severely low levels of vitamin B12. If anorexia becomes extreme, the bone marrow dramatically reduces its production of blood cells, a life-threatening condition called pancytopenia. Gastrointestinal Problems. Bloating and constipation are both very common problems in people with anorexia. Complications in Diabetic Adolescents Eating disorders are very serious in young people with type 1 diabetes. Hypoglycemia, or low blood sugar, is a danger in anyone with anorexia, but it is a particularly dangerous risk in those with diabetes. A recent study found that 85% of young women with diabetes and eating disorders had retinopathy -- damage in the retina in the eye, which can lead to blindness. It also reported that eating disorders persisted in such young people, increasing the risk for other acute and chronic diabetic complications. You Don't have to live this way. But wait, there's more! This is from: http://www.biopsychology.com/index.p...exia&type=sear ch&x=17&y=17 EATING DISORDER BEHAVIORS LINKED TO SUICIDE RISKS By Becky Ham, Science Writer A study of Swiss women with eating disorders suggests that those who binge and purge are more likely to have attempted suicide in the past, regardless of whether they have been diagnosed with anorexia nervosa, bulimia or another eating disorder. Women with anorexia, however, are more likely to have suicidal thoughts than those with bulimia or other disorders, say Gabriella Milos, M.D., and colleagues at the University Hospital in Zurich, Switzerland. Their study appears in the journal General Hospital Psychiatry. The researchers also found that most of the women in the study had other psychiatric disorders besides an eating disorder, including depression, drug or alcohol abuse or fearfulness or anxiety. Almost 84 percent of the patients had at least one other psychiatric problem. Milos and colleagues say the link between purging and suicidal attempts might be due to a lack of impulse control, which would affect both behaviors. See also: Chapter 13: Homeostasis: Active Regulation of Internal States Keyword: Anorexia & Bulimia Posted: 05.08.2004 But wait! There's more.... From the same website as listed above: A Secret Society of the Starving By MIM UDOVITCH Claire is 18. She is a pretty teenager, with long strawberry-blond hair, and she is almost abnormally self-possessed for a girl from a small town who has suddenly been descended upon by a big-city reporter who is there to talk to her, in secret, about her secret life. She is sitting on the track that runs around the field of her high school's football stadium, wearing running shorts and a T-shirt and shivering a little because even though we are in Florida -- in the kind of town where, according to Claire, during ''season'' when you see yet another car with New York plates, you just feel like running it down -- there's an evening chill. Claire's is also the kind of town where how the local high school does in sports matters. Claire herself plays two sports. Practice and team fund-raisers are a regular part of her life, along with the typical small-town-Florida teenage occupations -- going to ''some hick party,'' hanging out with friends in the parking lot of the Taco Bell, bowling, going to the beach. Another regular part of her life, also a common teenage occupation, is anorexia -- refusal to eat enough to maintain a minimally healthy weight. So she is possibly shivering because she hasn't consumed enough calories for her body to keep itself warm. Claire first got into eating disorders when she was 14 or 15 and a bulimic friend introduced her to them. But she was already kind of on the lookout for something: ''I was gonna do it on my own, basically. Just because, like, exercise can only take you so far, you know? And I don't know, I just started to wonder if there was another way. Because they made it seem like, 'You do drugs, you die; be anorexic and you're gonna die in a year.' I knew that they kind of overplayed it and tried to frighten you away. So I always thought it can't be that bad for you.'' Copyright The New York Times Company See also: Chapter 13: Homeostasis: Active Regulation of Internal States Keyword: Anorexia & Bulimia Posted: 09.09.2002 Women's Health: Eating Disorders (Anorexia & Bulimia) © American Institute of Preventive Medicine (Excerpted from The Art and Heart of Drum Circles) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- An eating disorder may be defined, in a sense, as self-abuse. It can be just as harmful to your health as substance abuse involving alcohol or drugs. Two of these disorders, anorexia and bulimia, result from the fear of overeating and gaining weight. They share other common traits, as well, that reflect the mental/physical health of the sufferer: Depression. Low self-esteem, poor body image. Self-destructive outlook, self-punishment for some imaginary wrong. Disturbed family relationships. Abnormal pre-occupation with food and feeling out of control. Increased rate of illness due to low weight, frequent weight gain/loss and/or poor nutrition. But wait!! There's mo http://www.healthy.net/scr/Article.asp?Id=1443 In addition, anorexia and bulimia have factors specific to each: Anorexia Nervosa sufferers tend to: Be female, pre-teen or teenage. Grow up in over-achieving families who establish unusually high expectations for their children. Place exaggerated emphasis on body image and perfection. Have parents who are very busy and involved in their own lives. The anorexic may feel the need to be perfect to gain their parents' attention. Have marked physical effects - loss of head hair, stoppage of ovulation/menstruation, slowed heart rate, low blood pressure, cold intolerance. Have depression more extreme than in bulimia patients. Develop osteoporosis later in life due to lack of calcium and decreased production of estrogen if menstruation stops. Excessive exercise can contribute to this as well. Have severe damage to heart and vital organs if weight drops sufficiently. Approximately 1% of American females have anorexia. But wait..there's more!!! A Body to Die For From: http://www.discoveryhealth.co.uk/tee...767&oldstoryid =47547&feature= For most people food is a pleasurable part of every day life, but for some people it is little more than a living nightmare. One in a hundred teenage girls suffers from anorexia and, of those, 60% will fully recover, 20% will recover partially and 20% will die. Anorexics are obsessed with being thin. They starve themselves and are terrified of gaining weight. They believe they are fat even when they are wasting away. Anorexia isn't just a problem with food or weight. It's an attempt to use food and weight to deal with emotional problems. Anorexia takes many shapes and forms - it is possible to be overweight and anorexic. Anorexia is a fatal illness if untreated, and there have been many cases of deaths of anorexics who were of normal weight and some even overweight. If you, or someone you, know suffers from anorexia then it is VERY important to seek help, as anorexia can cause severe long term damage: osteoporosis, severe dehydration leading to kidney damage and low blood pressure as well as death. The sooner treatment is started the higher the chance of making a full recovery. Warning signs of anorexia Deliberate self-starvation with weight loss Fear of gaining weight Refusal to eat Constant exercising Sensitivity to cold temperatures Absent or irregular periods (in women) Loss of scalp hair A self-perception of being fat when the person is really starving. Another common eating disorder is bulimia, affecting approximately 1 in 50 teenage girls and 1 in 100 women. Bulimia is similar to anorexia, with the sufferer facing the same revulsion towards food. However, in bulimia there is a binge-and-purge cycle and, unlike anorexics, they are more likely to be of a normal weight. A binge can be a piece of fruit or a whole box of biscuits, after eating the bulimic feels guilty because they've eaten and so gets rid of it. There are four ways that bulimics get rid of food: exercise, self-induced vomiting, taking diuretics or laxatives, or 'balancing out' binges with periods of starvation. Bulimia leads to digestive problems, electrolyte imbalance, inflammation of the oesophagus, stained and decayed teeth from the stomach acid, constipation and possibly death (more than 20% die from complications related to their bulimia). As with anorexia if you feel that you or someone you know has a problem then it is VERY important to seek help as the sooner treatment is started the better the chance of making a full recovery. But wait, there's more!!! From: http://student.fortlewis.edu/MMCROWLEY/finalwords.htm One of three things can happen to someone who is severely anorexic. First off, everyday the voice in the anorexics head will become louder and louder telling her to eat. Sometimes the anorexic will break down and begin to binge eat, eating enormous amounts of food at one time, sometimes even as much as 20,000 calories at one sitting. The victim will always eat alone and secretly sneak food. In this case the anorexic has now developed signs of a bulimic. Most researchers will say that almost everyone that becomes anorexic is also bulimic, although it doesn't happen right away, it happens over time. When there is so much pressure to eat from friends and family and without the nutrients in the brain, the level of serotonin decreases causing sever depression. After the victim has eaten so much food they begin to feel very anxious and guilty. Quickly, they will find somewhere to go and get rid of it all (or barely any) of the food in their stomach, that is why bulimia is referred to as the binge-purge cycle. Although bulimia has not been uncommon, it wasn't until 1980 that bulimia was diagnosed as its own eating disorder. Some other methods bulimics use to control their weight are laxatives and compulsive exercising. In some cases binge eating does not occur because of ones hunger, but rather it can result from stress, low self-esteem, and depression (www.mamashealth.com). Anorexics don't reverse their behaviors and take over the binge-purge methods as often as bulimics, for example, a bulimic may go eat a whole pizza and a gallon of ice cream, while an anorexic chooses carefully what she eats, but still feels as if she needs to get rid of the food before putting on weight, so she purges. Anorexia has the highest mortality rate of any other psychiatric diagnosis. Between 5-18% of anorexics die from the damaging affects on their body. Just like cars people need to fuel their body to run, or even turn on for that matter. As the body starts to shut down the heart rate decreases immensely, it sometimes gets to the point when the person can't even hold food down because to the body, food can be so foreign. Obviously no one wants to see this happen, so how is someone supposed to make sure a loved one doesn't get to that level? Many anorexics are in denial of their disease. One reason is because a part of them seriously thinks they are normal, and the other part doesn't want to gain weight. They often feel when their secret has been discovered they feel trapped. At this point the anorexic is clearly not ready for treatment, and the treatment will not be beneficial until they are. That is when it becomes a struggle, not only with the family and the anorexic, but more so with the doctor and the anorexic. The victim needs to go into treatment before it comes this far, (this is generally the time when they'll start eating to prove to the people around them they don't have a problem and develop bulimia). There are a variety of different treatment choices. If the anorexic is progressing in the treatment they are in, then obviously that is the right treatment for them, if they are showing no signs whatsoever of progress then there needs to be a change in treatments. There are even treatment centers for parents, so they can get involved and create a healthy environment for their daughter. Anorexia is not uncommon and can result from many life altering changes, but it is important, especially for parents, to be involved with their children. All adolescent girls go through pretty much the same problems and personal identity issues; they just chose to cope with the issues differently. People have habits to compensate for their feelings. Some people bite their nails when they are nervous, other people will religiously wash their hands. When people are stressed they will over eat, and when they are lonely, they won't eat at all. It's a matter whether or not the coping mechanisms are healthy, and in an anorexic's case, they could lead to death. So many people confuse anorexics with choosing that lifestyle. Where it's not the lifestyle they choose, it's the lifestyle the person already has that makes them run to something else. Of course, Dumbass forgets many things...things is a disorder of the young, in most cases. OK, 6% to 20% death rate ain't no big deal, right? Until you start thinking about the age of the dead!!! Which of course, the moron never did! 20% dead at age 17? Is that acceptable? Ever! Apparently to Ignorant, it is. I did suffer from anorexia. I was at about 10% body fat and I looked it, but I never felt it. I always felt I was fat. I felt that the only thing I could cojntrol was my weight. I couldn't control anything else in my life. Without going into things, I just want to say that this is the lowest that the slimebag has stooped and I don't think he'll say anything further about anorexia. You see, if I hadn't stopped, I could have been one of the ones who died, not who survived. That means a whole lot more than some really stupid troll. Martha |
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Article: Young, skinny < and obsessed with diets
"Ignoramus2772" wrote in message
... forgot to say, you called on me to get off crack and used other cheap insults before I even posted a message mentioning "stupid" individuals. Yes, Bitch? I think one of the things that you should remember, bitch,is when you asked how to rugged you were. Remember how everyone smirked, even under their breath? Oh please, it was the funniest moment since Clinton said "I did not have sex with that woman" Not only did it provide, oh damn, days and days of entertainment, no, weeks, of entertainment, but honey, you were so clueless of how ****ing gay you seemed. So now you are out of the closet. Not that there's anything wrong with being gay, but you are seen as gay buy folks. Not only that, but you're seen as stupid, ignorant and downright close-minded, the death sentence of a Bay Arean. So, as my friend in Glen Park said, you are the dumb **** extrordinnaire. Congrats! er. I guess I was wrong and you really are a sick individual. In case if you did not intend to use "crack smoking" as an insult, I apologize for implying that you are stupid. i |
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Article: Young, skinny < and obsessed with diets
On 6/7/2004 10:02 PM, Perple Gyrl wrote:
"jmk" Oh, but she'd weigh less so I suppose that you would be supportive, right? -- jmk in NC No, because he wouldn't want to sleep with her then... Ah, good point. He's the one who goes through BFL and says, do you think she looked better in her bikini before or after. I forgot. Thanks for the reminder PG! -- jmk in NC |
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Ignoramus8628 wrote:
In article , That T Woman wrote: This is one of your more stupid posts, Ig. You're scraping the bottom of the barrel to find something positive to say about a 13 year old girl starving herself to stay stick thin. I wonder what her school work is like the days she only eats the piece of fruit. This is so not what we should want a 13 year old to be doing. "If she lives to old age"? What about the *quality* of her life now and in the immediate future? Well, I merely pointed out one aspect of her anorexic lifestyle that happens to be beneficial. Surely, one could find many other not so positive sides of anorexia, and you did a splendid job at that. Hello??? Anorexia is an ILLNESS, a DISORDER! Yeah, there's plus sides to cancer too, I could point those out. One loses weight at a rapid rate, without even trying. Yet, for some odd reason, people think cancer is a not so cool illness to have. I get so sick of the glamourization of anorexia, a "movie star"s illness. As someone who suffered a whole gamut of eating disorders for nearly 2 decades, let me tell you, there is no "plus side". Sure, an anorexic might not have breast cancer, but they have ANOREXIA. Their teeth may be falling out, their bones may be brittle, but hey, they don't have breast cancer.... Anorexia is an ILLNESS, a psychological, all-consuming ILLNESS, not a "lifestyle". -- The post you just read, unless otherwise noted, is strictly my opinion and experience. Please interpret accordingly. |
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Ignoramus2772 wrote:
In article , Dally wrote: Ignoramus25707 wrote: That said, I think that a finding of a negative link between anorexia and brest cancer to be interesting and worth mentioning. I objected to you saying, "do you want to get breast cancer" in the context of advocating choosing anorexia as a reasonable risk management method. You really did, Ig. Really. You understand that the girl's chances of dying from anorexia far, far, far outweigh her chances of getting breast cancer? Let's look at "girl's chances of dying from anorexia" vs. "her chances of getting breast cancer". An average anorexic's chance of dying from anorexia, according to http://www.mentalhealth.com/mag1/p5m-et01.html is 5-10%. An average woman's risk of getting breast cancer is 6.3%, about in the same range. So, these numbers are not incomparable at all. And 10% of 15 year olds dying from breast cancer is equivalent to 6.3% of women getting breast cancer by the time they're 90? (Please note that most women do NOT die of breast cancer, and the young women who DO die of breast cancer tend to have the kind that isn't ameliorated by risk management, i.e., they've got the genetic kind of an aggressive fast moving tumor.) You're wrong. Lest the more stupid members of this newsgroup jump at me for allegedly "supporting anorexia", I want to point out that other methods of reducing breast cancer incidence are superior to anorexia, for example staying relatively slim, eating well and having a few children. You're wrong: the correlation between these risk factors and breast cancer is there, but it's slight. MOST risk factors are minor in nature. The big Daddy risk factor isn't identified. There are ways to slightly improve your odds of not getting cancer, but the odds improve so slightly that it's hardly worth mentioning. Parity is a well known and controllable negative influence on breast cancer risk. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract ``It is estimated that the cumulative incidence of breast cancer in developed countries would be reduced by more than half, from 6.3 to 2.7 per 100 women by age 70, if women had the average number of births and lifetime duration of breastfeeding that had been prevalent in developing countries until recently.'' So now you're advocating overpopulation as a theoretical method of reducing your chances of getting (probably curable) breast cancer from 6 to 3 women in 100? You're not very good at risk/benefit analysis, are you? A much better reason to breastfeed is the benefits to the child. The benefits to the mother are mild and quite possibly outweighed by the damage to the mother. (I'm speaking here as someone who nursed all over her children past infancy.) I have no immediate relatives with breast cancer, I've nursed children for a total of four years and I have a normal fat percentage. Functionally speaking I've lowered my risk nearly not at all. I know women just like me who are getting it all around me. It's like the new phase in our lives... first were the years we were all marrying, then the years we all had little babies, now we're into the "adventures in medicine" years. Most of us survive these adventures, though. None of us deserve them, it just goes with the territory when you own a human body. I do not share your fatalistic attitude when it comes to chances of breast cancer. It is not supportd by evidence. You cannot eliminate all chances, but you can improve them. How much, at what cost. That question must be in every single discussion on this subject. I'm not living my life in fear of breast cancer. Colon cancer is just as likely to get me, and heart disease is the one with a bullet with my name on it. But at this point I'm better off making sure I buckle my seat belt and having a working smoke detector. Dally |
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Anytime.. just don't forget that he judges women on whether or not he'll
sleep with them! Therefore, breastless women would not be f*ckable to him. Therefore, he spouts the benefits of anorexia because he likes breasts.... its all getting clear to me now. "jmk" wrote in message Ah, good point. He's the one who goes through BFL and says, do you think she looked better in her bikini before or after. I forgot. Thanks for the reminder PG! -- jmk in NC |
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"Crafting Mom" Hello??? Anorexia is an ILLNESS, a DISORDER! Yeah, there's plus sides to cancer too, I could point those out. One loses weight at a rapid rate, without even trying. Yet, for some odd reason, people think cancer is a not so cool illness to have. I get so sick of the glamourization of anorexia, a "movie star"s illness. As someone who suffered a whole gamut of eating disorders for nearly 2 decades, let me tell you, there is no "plus side". Sure, an anorexic might not have breast cancer, but they have ANOREXIA. Their teeth may be falling out, their bones may be brittle, but hey, they don't have breast cancer.... Anorexia is an ILLNESS, a psychological, all-consuming ILLNESS, not a "lifestyle". Quit trying to make sense!!! It won't work! |
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