NYNY - Fred - Nov 19

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:49:10 -0800, Fred wrote:

Whoops, hit send too fast (G)

That's ok ... I took a lunch break. g

The Bros' habits were mine - I would find a quart of some ice cream
but then see another favorite flavor and even possibly a third. Buy
them all and fill a soup bowl and maybe a second. And the potato
chips accompanied me on my commute home. And you might think that
with all those chips, the ice cream would wait till the next day. NO,
I think the chips just stimulated some appetite and ice would follow
when I got home. I really do think that I put on the last 20 pounds
pretty blindly and very fast.

Hub's habits are similar, makes me wonder what is it in the combo of the two. He
will have his nightly icecream - then say he needs something salty to kill the
sweet taste from the icecream. Bro's weight also has gone on very quickly,
probably about 25-30 pounds within the last or 3 months. Granted, much of his is
because of the change back to old habits, but also due to being unemployed because
of a work injury ... currently awaiting surgery. It's harder to supress those
urges and habits when we don't have something to keep us busy for a better portion
of the day.

Maybe or maybe that type of carbo just generate additional urges.

hmmmm, interesting concept - possibly right on the mark. I find I have those same
urges ... eat something overly sweet and want to kill it with something salty. I
don't do it anymore, but it does take a concious effort.

Out to lunch we went, dragging mom with us. Again I was told, *eat more fat!* ...
and the cheeseburger jumped off the menu and into my view. Waiter came around, I
ordered garlic chicken pasta (Dottie's says it's 11 points, but I sure don't see
where it can be that much, couldn't have had more than 2 ounces of chicken ... if
that ... and about a cup of angel hair). Oh, and I skipped desert. Dinner tonite
was a can of health valley soup (wonderful, wonderful, wonderfully high fiber and
nutritious) and a fantastic wheat pita sandwich.

I think you have me convinced that you are okay both mentally and
physically.


Thanks, I am beginning to think I'm ok too. Yesterday and today weren't even the
question in my mind as to what was the better choice ... both really turned out to
sound better to me as far as my tastes and preferences. I'll admit to slipping
here and there, but overall ... I think I'm ok.

Same here there are just things I have to have.

hehehe - the only thing I feel I HAVE to have is ... chocolate!


A coworker has been complaining that it is taking too much effort to
stick with it. He misses his beer weekends and snacks.

Sounds like coworker really doesn't have his mind into the game yet, or hasn't
found that *switch* we like to talk about.. I guess I can agree that following
any healthy plan does take a bit of effort ... I can't say that it took too MUCH
effort though - not for me anyway. After the initial few weeks it seemed like
everything fell into place in my head and it really was easy to continue on the
journey.

He is still young and he and his wife did it with borrowed materials
so maybe less vested in the program but he did lose about 40pounds.
He must have found the initial switch but maybe it is more like a foot
pedal switch - you need to constantly keep it engaged. It does not
just stay ON by itself.

Hmmmm, that is interesting. Probably does go back to that switch or motivation.
40 pounds is a significant loss, I can also see where the motivation could start
lacking after that period of time. Why it didn't for you, or me, I don't know.
It seemed the more I lost, the higher my motivation became. Maybe ... it also had
something to do with *this* group (for me) or the meetings for you? I do think we
all need the rah-rah's here and there, nothing like positive reinforcement to keep
us going. The challenges run here were extremely motivating for me. It kept me
focused, kept me heading toward my goal. I suppose age could also play somewhat
of a role - especially if he is still at that age where social activities revolve
around the bar. g

Hard to say. It may just have been time and then again, I'm not sure
I can completely write off a relapse. I want to say never and work on
it daily but ....

I hear ya, same feelings on this end. I think we've talked about it before, the
old superstition thing with me. If I dare to say it won't ever happen - it's like
giving myself the kiss of death. I know I'm not infallable, I am human, I do make
mistakes. I've said before that I'll catch that weight gain at the beginning
stages and that will keep it from coming back ... yet something went wrong with
that plan many years ago. Same plan again, keeping fingers crossed and mind
alert.

Joyce

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 07:53:10 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:36:30 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never expected to make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy it is to
become too neurotic about all of this.

Ooooooooooh, I like the neurotic word! Maybe that's where I am? g Baby
bro
told me today that I need to eat more fat, I look anorexic. I told him I
am then
the first 130 pound anorexic who willingly eats several times per day that
I have
ever known. G Of course, this is said by the guy who has just put on
about 30
pounds by resuming old habits of eating unlimited quantities of icecream
and chips
on a daily basis.

Perhaps he's jealous that he couldn't keep the weight off. I had a similar
thing happen to me with my aunt who is very obese (about 5' 4" and approx.
300 lbs). She told me I was getting too thin and should start to eat more.
Shoot, at the time I was about 180 lbs and I'm 5' 7". That's still
considered obese! I just ignored it, figuring she was jealous that she
couldn't lose weight, but then she's not trying either!

I think the jealousy is a big part. He has done this to me any time I have lost
weight. Evidentally it did bother me at first, I said something to my son about
it (we were chatting online). Son said he just saw me 5 days ago, he did not
think I looked anorexic ... thin mama yes, healthy mama yes, unhealthy mama no.
He and I are very close. I know if he was worried, he would be the first to say
something to me. Do people really think our losing weight is a threat to them?
Or is it that they are just so used to seeing us heavier, that maybe they really
do think the change in us is greater than it is? When I hit around 175 my mom
told me I'd lost too much weight already. (I blamed it on her failing eyesight)
I tried telling her that I wasn't anywhere close to a realistic weight for my body
size ... she couldn't grasp it. Yet she always was telling me how much weight she
had lost without even trying, and had to get rid of all her larger clothing. When
we moved her into the nursing home a few months later ... guess who got blessed
with replacing all those clothing items (and still is) ... in the same sizes she
tossed. g


Out to lunch we went, dragging mom with us. Again I was told, *eat more
fat!* ...
and the cheeseburger jumped off the menu and into my view. Waiter came
around, I
ordered garlic chicken pasta (Dottie's says it's 11 points, but I sure
don't see
where it can be that much, couldn't have had more than 2 ounces of chicken
... if
that ... and about a cup of angel hair). Oh, and I skipped desert.
Dinner tonite
was a can of health valley soup (wonderful, wonderful, wonderfully high
fiber and
nutritious) and a fantastic wheat pita sandwich.

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the same old
trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

Good for you choosing the chicken & pasta instead of the cheeseburger! I
had a cheeseburger a few weeks ago, first time in almost a year. It was
good, but won't be doing that very often.

I will say that I do love a good cheeseburger, and if I really wanted it I would
have had it. The problem I finally figured out while looking at the menu was ...
that I was being talked into something that I didn't really want. I don't want
that to happen and gave myself permission to listen to ME! This is something
entirely new to me, I'm used to allowing others to push me around in order to keep
peace. Hub and kids have accepted this new me, and seem to like it ... the rest
are having a tough time dealing with the change. g

Joyce

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 07:59:44 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

Size 6? Wonderful! And those measurements are great Joyce. I haven't had
measurements like that since I was a teenager!

Thanks Brenda! I'd like to see the waist measurement a bit smaller - but I'm
accepting the fact that this old body is not gonna be what it was in my teenage
years. I'm comfortable, I'm happy, I feel good. That's what's important, right?

I often wonder if people are nuts too. Just the other day I had someone in
the store that said I was looking great, but shouldn't lose anymore as I am
just right where I am. (This from someone who has lost alot of weight and
recently has put some back on). As far as I'm concerned I still have at
least 22 lbs to go, but I may decide to go lower.

Maybe this other person is threatened that you will succed at what they didn't?
I'll bet you do look great - and from the only picture of you I have seen (the one
with your son), I think you look fantastic. But the most important thing is that
if you think you need to lose more weight, then go for it. You'll know where you
look and feel good - that's what is important. It doesn't matter one little bit
what anyone else thinks. My goal was originally set by the ww charts. Once I got
there I thought I looked *ok* - but realized I still needed to take more off. NOW
I think and feel I look good ... other than the little tummy bulge/wrinkle that
refuses to depart. g One size doesn't always fit all.

This same person sent me an email later that evening telling me what an
inspiration I was to her because of all I've been through with DH, running
our business on my own, raising a child, and losing weight too! Go
figure...

That was really sweet of her to send you the email! I do think then that her
intentions were very sincere, and she heartfully felt that you looked great. I
also do agree with her. You have been through a tremendous amount of stress over
the past months, yet you managed to not let it get the best of you. Go Brenda!!!

Joyce

--
Brenda
209/172/150
NYNY goal 160


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I'm tellin' ya, they're all freakin' nutz! (or as the bumper sticker on
hubbys
drs. car reads ... nuckin futz) Where do they come up with stuff like
this?
Evidentally it bugged me enough that I asked hub if I looked anorexic ..
he just
laughed at me and told me not to worry. Measurements? 37, 28, 35 ... a
fur piece
from doing a disappearing act. Like you, I don't think the numbers say
thin
either - but the clothing sizes seem to. Bought my very first size small
sweaters
yesterday (obviously was a fluke) and did need some new jeans as the butt
is
sagging dramatically in my old ones ... size ... hang onto your shorts
here 6!
Fit beautifully. The treadmill doesn't appear to be doing anything for me
weightwise, but I think there is a bunch of shifting going on. g

Joyce

Well, the scale this morning is less promising than before the ski
trip - darn that chocolate cake! (G)

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:41:05 -0800, Fred
wrote:

I will try but the chocolate cake today while skiing may have blown it
but maybe not (G)

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:50:09 -0600, "Kristin"
wrote:

LOL, Fred! Sorry for your teeny gain, you'll get her next week!

Personally, I think this is what people are really saying when they
suggest you've gotten too thin. They don't like the personality
change--the change we all have to make if we're going to make this way
of life stick--and incorrectly associate it with your physical
appearance.

Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:07:02 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm used to allowing others to push me around in order to keep
peace. Hub and kids have accepted this new me, and seem to like it ... the rest
are having a tough time dealing with the change.

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 07:59:44 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

Size 6? Wonderful! And those measurements are great Joyce. I haven't
had
measurements like that since I was a teenager!

Thanks Brenda! I'd like to see the waist measurement a bit smaller - but
I'm
accepting the fact that this old body is not gonna be what it was in my
teenage
years. I'm comfortable, I'm happy, I feel good. That's what's important,
right?

Yes, if you're happy and feel good that is what is important. I would like
to be the same size I was when I was a teenager too, but don't think it's
gonna happen. Our shapes definitely change over the years, don't they?


I often wonder if people are nuts too. Just the other day I had someone
in
the store that said I was looking great, but shouldn't lose anymore as I
am
just right where I am. (This from someone who has lost alot of weight
and
recently has put some back on). As far as I'm concerned I still have at
least 22 lbs to go, but I may decide to go lower.

Maybe this other person is threatened that you will succed at what they
didn't?
I'll bet you do look great - and from the only picture of you I have seen
(the one
with your son), I think you look fantastic.

Thanks Joyce, that's nice.

But the most important thing is that
if you think you need to lose more weight, then go for it. You'll know
where you
look and feel good - that's what is important. It doesn't matter one
little bit
what anyone else thinks. My goal was originally set by the ww charts.
Once I got
there I thought I looked *ok* - but realized I still needed to take more
off. NOW
I think and feel I look good ... other than the little tummy bulge/wrinkle
that
refuses to depart. g One size doesn't always fit all.

I would like to get to 150, then see what happens from there. I have a
feeling that once I am able to get there, I will want to go lower, perhaps
140ish. I still have 22 lbs before I'm officially at goal, so we'll see.
Right now I'm not gaining/losing anything. Maintaining is good though. It
gives me good practice for the day that I finally do reach goal.


This same person sent me an email later that evening telling me what an
inspiration I was to her because of all I've been through with DH,
running
our business on my own, raising a child, and losing weight too! Go
figure...

That was really sweet of her to send you the email! I do think then that
her
intentions were very sincere, and she heartfully felt that you looked
great. I
also do agree with her. You have been through a tremendous amount of
stress over
the past months, yet you managed to not let it get the best of you. Go
Brenda!!!

Thanks Joyce. Doing my best here to hold the business and family together.
Boy, it's been difficult. I'm tired...... I think that's another reason
I'm sort of off program. I can't seem to find the energy or time to put a
serious effort into the program. I hope that I will again one day soon.


Joyce

--
Brenda
209/172/150
NYNY goal 160


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I'm tellin' ya, they're all freakin' nutz! (or as the bumper sticker
on
hubbys
drs. car reads ... nuckin futz) Where do they come up with stuff
like
this?
Evidentally it bugged me enough that I asked hub if I looked anorexic
...
he just
laughed at me and told me not to worry. Measurements? 37, 28, 35 ...
a
fur piece
from doing a disappearing act. Like you, I don't think the numbers say
thin
either - but the clothing sizes seem to. Bought my very first size
small
sweaters
yesterday (obviously was a fluke) and did need some new jeans as the
butt
is
sagging dramatically in my old ones ... size ... hang onto your shorts
here 6!
Fit beautifully. The treadmill doesn't appear to be doing anything for
me
weightwise, but I think there is a bunch of shifting going on. g

Joyce

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 07:53:10 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:36:30 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never expected to make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy it is to
become too neurotic about all of this.

Ooooooooooh, I like the neurotic word! Maybe that's where I am? g
Baby
bro
told me today that I need to eat more fat, I look anorexic. I told him
I
am then
the first 130 pound anorexic who willingly eats several times per day
that
I have
ever known. G Of course, this is said by the guy who has just put on
about 30
pounds by resuming old habits of eating unlimited quantities of
icecream
and chips
on a daily basis.

Perhaps he's jealous that he couldn't keep the weight off. I had a
similar
thing happen to me with my aunt who is very obese (about 5' 4" and
approx.
300 lbs). She told me I was getting too thin and should start to eat
more.
Shoot, at the time I was about 180 lbs and I'm 5' 7". That's still
considered obese! I just ignored it, figuring she was jealous that she
couldn't lose weight, but then she's not trying either!

I think the jealousy is a big part. He has done this to me any time I
have lost
weight. Evidentally it did bother me at first, I said something to my son
about
it (we were chatting online). Son said he just saw me 5 days ago, he did
not
think I looked anorexic ... thin mama yes, healthy mama yes, unhealthy
mama no.

Sounds like he is jealous. Oh well, you're healthy and happy and that's
what matters.

He and I are very close. I know if he was worried, he would be the first
to say
something to me. Do people really think our losing weight is a threat to
them?
Or is it that they are just so used to seeing us heavier, that maybe they
really
do think the change in us is greater than it is?

I think it's probably a number of things that make people react in strange
ways. Who knows for sure, could be just about anything that gets them going
I suppose.

When I hit around 175 my mom
told me I'd lost too much weight already. (I blamed it on her failing
eyesight)
I tried telling her that I wasn't anywhere close to a realistic weight for
my body
size ... she couldn't grasp it. Yet she always was telling me how much
weight she
had lost without even trying, and had to get rid of all her larger
clothing. When
we moved her into the nursing home a few months later ... guess who got
blessed
with replacing all those clothing items (and still is) ... in the same
sizes she
tossed. g

So she threw away clothes that still fit her? She just imagined that she
had lost weight when she actually hadn't? Oh Joyce, if she was thinking
like that it is a good thing she went into a nursing home. I can't imagine
what it must have been like for you when you were so worried about her. I
don't know what I'd do if one of my parents or my grandma was in that
position. Boy, that's tough.



Out to lunch we went, dragging mom with us. Again I was told, *eat
more
fat!* ...
and the cheeseburger jumped off the menu and into my view. Waiter came
around, I
ordered garlic chicken pasta (Dottie's says it's 11 points, but I sure
don't see
where it can be that much, couldn't have had more than 2 ounces of
chicken
... if
that ... and about a cup of angel hair). Oh, and I skipped desert.
Dinner tonite
was a can of health valley soup (wonderful, wonderful, wonderfully high
fiber and
nutritious) and a fantastic wheat pita sandwich.

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the same old
trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

Good for you choosing the chicken & pasta instead of the cheeseburger! I
had a cheeseburger a few weeks ago, first time in almost a year. It was
good, but won't be doing that very often.

I will say that I do love a good cheeseburger, and if I really wanted it I
would
have had it. The problem I finally figured out while looking at the menu
was ...
that I was being talked into something that I didn't really want. I don't
want
that to happen and gave myself permission to listen to ME! This is
something
entirely new to me, I'm used to allowing others to push me around in order
to keep
peace. Hub and kids have accepted this new me, and seem to like it ...
the rest
are having a tough time dealing with the change. g

I would usually choose something else as well, but just felt like a
cheeseburger for a change. Probably won't do it again for a long time.
Good for your DH and kids accepting the new you! That's great. Who cares
about the tough time the rest are having. The people you are closest to
really care about you and how you feel.

Brenda


Joyce

Great place to eat Costco chocolate cake! After you ate it I bet you wore
it off getting back to your vehicle too!

"Fred" wrote in message
news
Another report indicates that I had a great first ski trip of the
season. I did neglect to mention that I took a piece of the Costco
chocolate cake out of the freezer and ate it at lunch while sitting in
the snow (G)

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 06:48:01 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

Have fun this weekend Fred! Snacks are my problem too. Good luck.

You know chocolate, there one day, gone the next. Darn chocolate (G)


"Fred" wrote in message
...
Well, the scale this morning is less promising than before the ski
trip - darn that chocolate cake! (G)

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:41:05 -0800, Fred
wrote:

I will try but the chocolate cake today while skiing may have blown it
but maybe not (G)

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:50:09 -0600, "Kristin"
wrote:

LOL, Fred! Sorry for your teeny gain, you'll get her next week!

Actually, we kept climbing another mile so that might have helped but
the scale is not showing it burned off. Downhill, I don't know - I
think standing and not Falling does take effort over 5 miles but not
as much as the uphill. Altho, sometimes staying upright takes all my
effort. Most of this was on a snow covered forest road with just a
bit where we were off-trail and in deeper snow - unfortunately (this
might get me in trouble with some) snowmobiles were on the road -
normally they can't get there because the snow bank will be 5 or more
feet high. But early they could but then again, we might not have
gotten very far as the new snow was deep and we are not yet use to
breaking that much snow - the thighs need to adjust (G)

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:28:01 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

Great place to eat Costco chocolate cake! After you ate it I bet you wore
it off getting back to your vehicle too!

"Fred" wrote in message
news
Another report indicates that I had a great first ski trip of the
season. I did neglect to mention that I took a piece of the Costco
chocolate cake out of the freezer and ate it at lunch while sitting in
the snow (G)

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 06:48:01 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

Have fun this weekend Fred! Snacks are my problem too. Good luck.