There's a short in my switch

You're missed as well. Read and post as you are able and have time,
and let that be your program for now. Let the rest come when you're
ready. Having companions for the journey can sometimes lighten the
load enough that eventually you'll be able to carry it again yourself.

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:59:03 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

Thanks you guys! You're all so sweet and I appreciate the suggestions. I
miss
the group alot, so hopefully I'll be able to get my mind around the program
and
get back here to you soon. Take care and good luck to you all!

I'll be back...

Brenda

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
...
go look at your son, Lee
Brenda Hammond wrote in message
...
Things are okay. We're adjusting to the loss of DH's mom although
it sure has taken it's toll. I sometimes still expect the phone to ring
and
hear her voice on the other end, or when someone from the house calls
and I see their number in the call display I expect her voice to be
on the other end. I suppose it will take time for us to get over it
completely and maybe we will never be completely over it.

I am failing badly at the program. I was 194 when my MIL passed away,
now I'm at about 196-197. I get so disgusted with the way I let myself
go. I was down to 172 at one point, now here I am back up to within
12 lbs. of my weight when I first began WW. I find myself eating really
unhealthy and program un-friendly foods. I think back to when I first
began the program and how I was so into eating just what I should,
drinking the amount of water I should, etc., etc., and find myself
wanting to be at that point in my life again, but I just
can't seem to get there. I need some kind of motivation, but don't
know yet what it is that will get me there.

Any suggestions?

Brenda


"Fred" wrote in message
...
Nice seeing you again. Hope things are better.

On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:17:16 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

I don't think I can offer you any good information on how to go
about getting over the "feeling fat" issue. You are
definitely not fat! As soon as I ready your post I felt for you and
wanted to let you know that I was thinking of you.
Talking it over with your leader at your next WI is a great idea,
perhaps she can offer some information that will help. Good luck
Linda.
(((((HUGS)))))

Brenda

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
. ..
You know how sometimes we talk about the 'switch,' that indefinable
moment when weight loss became possible? Well, mine's got a short or
something's gone haywire with the circuitry. I did fine last week.
But
since my WI, my eating's gone off the deepend. Don't know what set it
off, but I just can't seem to stop. Well, not entirely true.
Yesterday, I ate well under my points after 3 days of overeating. But
today, I ate over points again and my 35 flex points are long gone.
What's going on? For one, I think I have a mental block about 20
daily
target points. 22 points I can do, no problem. Something happens,
though, when I drop to 20 points: I think I'm going to starve, which
then sets off all sorts of cravings.

Another thing I'm battling is feeling fat. I take jeans and shirts
and
underwear out of the dryer and wonder who I thought I was kidding
when
I bought such small clothes, or i figure that maybe they've shrunk
because surely those things won't fit me. As I type this, it's
laughable. But when I'm standing in front of the dryer, I'm not
laughing. In fact, I'm close to tears because I truly do despair
about
what I'm going to wear now that all my fat clothes have been donated.
I put my clothes anyway and when I get dressed in the morning,
everything fits. If I keep eating, though, that won't last.

I mentioned all this today to a friend at work, and she looked at me
like I was crazy and said "Where could you possibly feel fat! My
gawd,
you are so skinny." Honestly, I just don't see it. My head still sees
me back at 232 and feeling bad about much I weigh. And then those
people inside my head start taunting me: since I'm fat and will
always
be fat, I might as well eat.

So that's what I'm dealing with. I'm gonna keep fighting this because
the rational part of my brain is still functioning. And I do not want
to go back. This week, though, I'll consider it a victory just to go
to my WI. I'm going to try to go to the meeting early and talk to the
leader. Thanks for listening.
--
Linda P
232/148.8/10% goal: 138

"Fred" wrote in message
...

I think you will come out with a balanced idea of what works - well,
you already do know what works on normal days. You have to practice
it (look who is talking). The bigger biking days do need food to keep
the bonking from occurring. Bonking is not fun and once run down too
far, it is hard to recover that day, too. (to our British readers,
bonking means running out of steam due to lack of food and being hit
with exhaustion suddenly. It is NOT what you otherwise think!!!! (G))

And here I was wondering why you'd want to stop *that* from occurring
And that you're probably not doing it right if it's not fun g,d & r!!

--
Julie.
93.5/73.9/74 (WW)/72 (Personal) kg
205.7/162.6/162.8 (WW)/158 (Personal) lb

Here's our FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ and welcome notice:
http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

Thanks Linda. I really do appreciate the support and I better than
anyone know how much support this group gives. I believe that
sooner or later I'll be ready, but in the meantime I'll lurk and post when
I can.

Brenda

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
You're missed as well. Read and post as you are able and have time,
and let that be your program for now. Let the rest come when you're
ready. Having companions for the journey can sometimes lighten the
load enough that eventually you'll be able to carry it again yourself.

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:59:03 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

Thanks you guys! You're all so sweet and I appreciate the suggestions. I
miss
the group alot, so hopefully I'll be able to get my mind around the
program
and
get back here to you soon. Take care and good luck to you all!

I'll be back...

Brenda

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
...
go look at your son, Lee
Brenda Hammond wrote in message
...
Things are okay. We're adjusting to the loss of DH's mom although
it sure has taken it's toll. I sometimes still expect the phone to
ring
and
hear her voice on the other end, or when someone from the house calls
and I see their number in the call display I expect her voice to be
on the other end. I suppose it will take time for us to get over it
completely and maybe we will never be completely over it.

I am failing badly at the program. I was 194 when my MIL passed away,
now I'm at about 196-197. I get so disgusted with the way I let myself
go. I was down to 172 at one point, now here I am back up to within
12 lbs. of my weight when I first began WW. I find myself eating
really
unhealthy and program un-friendly foods. I think back to when I first
began the program and how I was so into eating just what I should,
drinking the amount of water I should, etc., etc., and find myself
wanting to be at that point in my life again, but I just
can't seem to get there. I need some kind of motivation, but don't
know yet what it is that will get me there.

Any suggestions?

Brenda


"Fred" wrote in message
...
Nice seeing you again. Hope things are better.

On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:17:16 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

I don't think I can offer you any good information on how to go
about getting over the "feeling fat" issue. You are
definitely not fat! As soon as I ready your post I felt for you and
wanted to let you know that I was thinking of you.
Talking it over with your leader at your next WI is a great idea,
perhaps she can offer some information that will help. Good luck
Linda.
(((((HUGS)))))

Brenda

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
. ..
You know how sometimes we talk about the 'switch,' that indefinable
moment when weight loss became possible? Well, mine's got a short
or
something's gone haywire with the circuitry. I did fine last week.
But
since my WI, my eating's gone off the deepend. Don't know what set
it
off, but I just can't seem to stop. Well, not entirely true.
Yesterday, I ate well under my points after 3 days of overeating.
But
today, I ate over points again and my 35 flex points are long gone.
What's going on? For one, I think I have a mental block about 20
daily
target points. 22 points I can do, no problem. Something happens,
though, when I drop to 20 points: I think I'm going to starve,
which
then sets off all sorts of cravings.

Another thing I'm battling is feeling fat. I take jeans and shirts
and
underwear out of the dryer and wonder who I thought I was kidding
when
I bought such small clothes, or i figure that maybe they've shrunk
because surely those things won't fit me. As I type this, it's
laughable. But when I'm standing in front of the dryer, I'm not
laughing. In fact, I'm close to tears because I truly do despair
about
what I'm going to wear now that all my fat clothes have been
donated.
I put my clothes anyway and when I get dressed in the morning,
everything fits. If I keep eating, though, that won't last.

I mentioned all this today to a friend at work, and she looked at
me
like I was crazy and said "Where could you possibly feel fat! My
gawd,
you are so skinny." Honestly, I just don't see it. My head still
sees
me back at 232 and feeling bad about much I weigh. And then those
people inside my head start taunting me: since I'm fat and will
always
be fat, I might as well eat.

So that's what I'm dealing with. I'm gonna keep fighting this
because
the rational part of my brain is still functioning. And I do not
want
to go back. This week, though, I'll consider it a victory just to
go
to my WI. I'm going to try to go to the meeting early and talk to
the
leader. Thanks for listening.
--
Linda P
232/148.8/10% goal: 138

Thanks Linda. I really do appreciate the support and I better than
anyone know how much support this group gives. I believe that
sooner or later I'll be ready, but in the meantime I'll lurk and post when
I can.

Brenda

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
You're missed as well. Read and post as you are able and have time,
and let that be your program for now. Let the rest come when you're
ready. Having companions for the journey can sometimes lighten the
load enough that eventually you'll be able to carry it again yourself.

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:59:03 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

Thanks you guys! You're all so sweet and I appreciate the suggestions. I
miss
the group alot, so hopefully I'll be able to get my mind around the
program
and
get back here to you soon. Take care and good luck to you all!

I'll be back...

Brenda

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
...
go look at your son, Lee
Brenda Hammond wrote in message
...
Things are okay. We're adjusting to the loss of DH's mom although
it sure has taken it's toll. I sometimes still expect the phone to
ring
and
hear her voice on the other end, or when someone from the house calls
and I see their number in the call display I expect her voice to be
on the other end. I suppose it will take time for us to get over it
completely and maybe we will never be completely over it.

I am failing badly at the program. I was 194 when my MIL passed away,
now I'm at about 196-197. I get so disgusted with the way I let myself
go. I was down to 172 at one point, now here I am back up to within
12 lbs. of my weight when I first began WW. I find myself eating
really
unhealthy and program un-friendly foods. I think back to when I first
began the program and how I was so into eating just what I should,
drinking the amount of water I should, etc., etc., and find myself
wanting to be at that point in my life again, but I just
can't seem to get there. I need some kind of motivation, but don't
know yet what it is that will get me there.

Any suggestions?

Brenda


"Fred" wrote in message
...
Nice seeing you again. Hope things are better.

On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:17:16 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

I don't think I can offer you any good information on how to go
about getting over the "feeling fat" issue. You are
definitely not fat! As soon as I ready your post I felt for you and
wanted to let you know that I was thinking of you.
Talking it over with your leader at your next WI is a great idea,
perhaps she can offer some information that will help. Good luck
Linda.
(((((HUGS)))))

Brenda

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
. ..
You know how sometimes we talk about the 'switch,' that indefinable
moment when weight loss became possible? Well, mine's got a short
or
something's gone haywire with the circuitry. I did fine last week.
But
since my WI, my eating's gone off the deepend. Don't know what set
it
off, but I just can't seem to stop. Well, not entirely true.
Yesterday, I ate well under my points after 3 days of overeating.
But
today, I ate over points again and my 35 flex points are long gone.
What's going on? For one, I think I have a mental block about 20
daily
target points. 22 points I can do, no problem. Something happens,
though, when I drop to 20 points: I think I'm going to starve,
which
then sets off all sorts of cravings.

Another thing I'm battling is feeling fat. I take jeans and shirts
and
underwear out of the dryer and wonder who I thought I was kidding
when
I bought such small clothes, or i figure that maybe they've shrunk
because surely those things won't fit me. As I type this, it's
laughable. But when I'm standing in front of the dryer, I'm not
laughing. In fact, I'm close to tears because I truly do despair
about
what I'm going to wear now that all my fat clothes have been
donated.
I put my clothes anyway and when I get dressed in the morning,
everything fits. If I keep eating, though, that won't last.

I mentioned all this today to a friend at work, and she looked at
me
like I was crazy and said "Where could you possibly feel fat! My
gawd,
you are so skinny." Honestly, I just don't see it. My head still
sees
me back at 232 and feeling bad about much I weigh. And then those
people inside my head start taunting me: since I'm fat and will
always
be fat, I might as well eat.

So that's what I'm dealing with. I'm gonna keep fighting this
because
the rational part of my brain is still functioning. And I do not
want
to go back. This week, though, I'll consider it a victory just to
go
to my WI. I'm going to try to go to the meeting early and talk to
the
leader. Thanks for listening.
--
Linda P
232/148.8/10% goal: 138

"Bonking" as a term for passing out from low blood sugar is new to me. I
gogled the word and found this page:
http://www.drmirkin.com/fitness/1273.html

Here are the money paragraphs from that Web page:
"Bonking is common in bicycle races if a rider does not eat frequently,
but is rare in long distance running races. When you run, your leg muscles
are damaged from the constant pounding on the roads and you must slow down.
However, you pedal in a smooth rotary motion which does not damage your
muscles, so you can continue to pedal at a rapid cadence for many hours."


"To prevent your blood sugar from dropping too low during intense exercise
lasting more than two hours, eat at least every 15 minutes. It doesn't
matter what you eat: salted peanuts, a peanut butter and jelly sandwich,
chicken, an apple, a banana or anything else. Almost all fit people can
take small amounts of food frequently during exercise without developing
stomach cramps."

Here, at last, is some guidance on what and how much to eat during a
long-distance bike ride. Half a power-bar and a slice of bread with cheese
in 6 hours was definitely not enough. No wonder you've been compensating.

But enough compensating already!

We'll be here when you are ready.

When I am going crazy from grief I tend to jump into everything possible to
help ease the pain that time hasn't healed. It will take you time and
everyone deals with it differently. Good luck finding what works.

"Brenda Hammond" wrote in message
...
Thanks you guys! You're all so sweet and I appreciate the suggestions. I
miss
the group alot, so hopefully I'll be able to get my mind around the
program
and
get back here to you soon. Take care and good luck to you all!

I'll be back...

Brenda

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
...
go look at your son, Lee
Brenda Hammond wrote in message
...
Things are okay. We're adjusting to the loss of DH's mom although
it sure has taken it's toll. I sometimes still expect the phone to
ring
and
hear her voice on the other end, or when someone from the house calls
and I see their number in the call display I expect her voice to be
on the other end. I suppose it will take time for us to get over it
completely and maybe we will never be completely over it.

I am failing badly at the program. I was 194 when my MIL passed away,
now I'm at about 196-197. I get so disgusted with the way I let myself
go. I was down to 172 at one point, now here I am back up to within
12 lbs. of my weight when I first began WW. I find myself eating
really
unhealthy and program un-friendly foods. I think back to when I first
began the program and how I was so into eating just what I should,
drinking the amount of water I should, etc., etc., and find myself
wanting to be at that point in my life again, but I just
can't seem to get there. I need some kind of motivation, but don't
know yet what it is that will get me there.

Any suggestions?

Brenda


"Fred" wrote in message
...
Nice seeing you again. Hope things are better.

On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:17:16 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

I don't think I can offer you any good information on how to go
about getting over the "feeling fat" issue. You are
definitely not fat! As soon as I ready your post I felt for you and
wanted to let you know that I was thinking of you.
Talking it over with your leader at your next WI is a great idea,
perhaps she can offer some information that will help. Good luck
Linda.
(((((HUGS)))))

Brenda

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
. ..
You know how sometimes we talk about the 'switch,' that indefinable
moment when weight loss became possible? Well, mine's got a short
or
something's gone haywire with the circuitry. I did fine last week.
But
since my WI, my eating's gone off the deepend. Don't know what set
it
off, but I just can't seem to stop. Well, not entirely true.
Yesterday, I ate well under my points after 3 days of overeating.
But
today, I ate over points again and my 35 flex points are long gone.
What's going on? For one, I think I have a mental block about 20
daily
target points. 22 points I can do, no problem. Something happens,
though, when I drop to 20 points: I think I'm going to starve,
which
then sets off all sorts of cravings.

Another thing I'm battling is feeling fat. I take jeans and shirts
and
underwear out of the dryer and wonder who I thought I was kidding
when
I bought such small clothes, or i figure that maybe they've shrunk
because surely those things won't fit me. As I type this, it's
laughable. But when I'm standing in front of the dryer, I'm not
laughing. In fact, I'm close to tears because I truly do despair
about
what I'm going to wear now that all my fat clothes have been
donated.
I put my clothes anyway and when I get dressed in the morning,
everything fits. If I keep eating, though, that won't last.

I mentioned all this today to a friend at work, and she looked at
me
like I was crazy and said "Where could you possibly feel fat! My
gawd,
you are so skinny." Honestly, I just don't see it. My head still
sees
me back at 232 and feeling bad about much I weigh. And then those
people inside my head start taunting me: since I'm fat and will
always
be fat, I might as well eat.

So that's what I'm dealing with. I'm gonna keep fighting this
because
the rational part of my brain is still functioning. And I do not
want
to go back. This week, though, I'll consider it a victory just to
go
to my WI. I'm going to try to go to the meeting early and talk to
the
leader. Thanks for listening.
--
Linda P
232/148.8/10% goal: 138

We'll be here when you are ready.

When I am going crazy from grief I tend to jump into everything possible to
help ease the pain that time hasn't healed. It will take you time and
everyone deals with it differently. Good luck finding what works.

"Brenda Hammond" wrote in message
...
Thanks you guys! You're all so sweet and I appreciate the suggestions. I
miss
the group alot, so hopefully I'll be able to get my mind around the
program
and
get back here to you soon. Take care and good luck to you all!

I'll be back...

Brenda

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
...
go look at your son, Lee
Brenda Hammond wrote in message
...
Things are okay. We're adjusting to the loss of DH's mom although
it sure has taken it's toll. I sometimes still expect the phone to
ring
and
hear her voice on the other end, or when someone from the house calls
and I see their number in the call display I expect her voice to be
on the other end. I suppose it will take time for us to get over it
completely and maybe we will never be completely over it.

I am failing badly at the program. I was 194 when my MIL passed away,
now I'm at about 196-197. I get so disgusted with the way I let myself
go. I was down to 172 at one point, now here I am back up to within
12 lbs. of my weight when I first began WW. I find myself eating
really
unhealthy and program un-friendly foods. I think back to when I first
began the program and how I was so into eating just what I should,
drinking the amount of water I should, etc., etc., and find myself
wanting to be at that point in my life again, but I just
can't seem to get there. I need some kind of motivation, but don't
know yet what it is that will get me there.

Any suggestions?

Brenda


"Fred" wrote in message
...
Nice seeing you again. Hope things are better.

On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:17:16 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

I don't think I can offer you any good information on how to go
about getting over the "feeling fat" issue. You are
definitely not fat! As soon as I ready your post I felt for you and
wanted to let you know that I was thinking of you.
Talking it over with your leader at your next WI is a great idea,
perhaps she can offer some information that will help. Good luck
Linda.
(((((HUGS)))))

Brenda

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
. ..
You know how sometimes we talk about the 'switch,' that indefinable
moment when weight loss became possible? Well, mine's got a short
or
something's gone haywire with the circuitry. I did fine last week.
But
since my WI, my eating's gone off the deepend. Don't know what set
it
off, but I just can't seem to stop. Well, not entirely true.
Yesterday, I ate well under my points after 3 days of overeating.
But
today, I ate over points again and my 35 flex points are long gone.
What's going on? For one, I think I have a mental block about 20
daily
target points. 22 points I can do, no problem. Something happens,
though, when I drop to 20 points: I think I'm going to starve,
which
then sets off all sorts of cravings.

Another thing I'm battling is feeling fat. I take jeans and shirts
and
underwear out of the dryer and wonder who I thought I was kidding
when
I bought such small clothes, or i figure that maybe they've shrunk
because surely those things won't fit me. As I type this, it's
laughable. But when I'm standing in front of the dryer, I'm not
laughing. In fact, I'm close to tears because I truly do despair
about
what I'm going to wear now that all my fat clothes have been
donated.
I put my clothes anyway and when I get dressed in the morning,
everything fits. If I keep eating, though, that won't last.

I mentioned all this today to a friend at work, and she looked at
me
like I was crazy and said "Where could you possibly feel fat! My
gawd,
you are so skinny." Honestly, I just don't see it. My head still
sees
me back at 232 and feeling bad about much I weigh. And then those
people inside my head start taunting me: since I'm fat and will
always
be fat, I might as well eat.

So that's what I'm dealing with. I'm gonna keep fighting this
because
the rational part of my brain is still functioning. And I do not
want
to go back. This week, though, I'll consider it a victory just to
go
to my WI. I'm going to try to go to the meeting early and talk to
the
leader. Thanks for listening.
--
Linda P
232/148.8/10% goal: 138

It worked that way for me. No more junk and empty calories. I did wander
last night as we had pizza before our trip to mom territory. Having pizza
before our 6+ hour drive was easy on everyone. I just wish that I did not
have that 2nd slice. I have not had pizza since mid august. I'm back on
track today.

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
...
and you reminded me that many say core helped them to get off the sugar
craving cycle, Lee
Laura wrote in message
news
I am doing a combination of Flex and Core. I only eat according to the
Core
program and officially only count point for the non-core items. I am
unofficially still journalling and tracking my points like I did under
Flex.
This keeps my portions under control. I tried not counting for a few
days
and found that my portions were getting bigger cuz there was nothing to
stop
me from having more. My ability to know when I am satisfied has not been
developed enough. I am better off having the normal portions placed on
my
plate and stopping there. If I am still hungry later I will have
something
else. This does not happen very often because everything is high fiber.
Gone
are my junk foods. I still have my frequent non-fat ice cream from the
local ice cream store but I get a small and it is only 2 points. Well
1.5+
but I count it as 2 and I use my WPAs for that. I do have to make sure
that
I eat enough points though. There have been numerous days that I just
was
not very hungry and ate only 20 points. My normal target is 24.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
Thanks Laura. "Anxiety" is the right word. Going back to 22 points
seems to be the correct tactic for now. Tomorrow is my WI, and I fully
expect to have regained every lb I lost the week previous. But I get
to start over--correction, I get to start from wherever I am. As long
as keep trying, there's hope that I'll eventually get things figured
out. Core, hmm. I don't have any trouble with the idea of
"restricting" myself to foods on the Core list. But not counting
points? That would feel like walking over the edge of a cliff.
--
Linda P

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 23:25:23 GMT, "Laura"
wrote:

I agree with the others suggestion of you going back to 22 points.
This
is a
mind thing that you have to work through. All of us have
been-there-done-that in some form or another. You'll figure it
out--you
always do. You've come so far and you are certainly not fat if you
get
20
points. Maybe trying Core for a couple of weeks would give you some
relief
from counting points. That might ease your anxiety. Hang in there.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
.. .
You know how sometimes we talk about the 'switch,' that indefinable
moment when weight loss became possible? Well, mine's got a short
or
something's gone haywire with the circuitry. I did fine last week.
But
since my WI, my eating's gone off the deepend. Don't know what set
it
off, but I just can't seem to stop. Well, not entirely true.
Yesterday, I ate well under my points after 3 days of overeating.
But
today, I ate over points again and my 35 flex points are long gone.
What's going on? For one, I think I have a mental block about 20
daily
target points. 22 points I can do, no problem. Something happens,
though, when I drop to 20 points: I think I'm going to starve,
which
then sets off all sorts of cravings.

Another thing I'm battling is feeling fat. I take jeans and shirts
and
underwear out of the dryer and wonder who I thought I was kidding
when
I bought such small clothes, or i figure that maybe they've shrunk
because surely those things won't fit me. As I type this, it's
laughable. But when I'm standing in front of the dryer, I'm not
laughing. In fact, I'm close to tears because I truly do despair
about
what I'm going to wear now that all my fat clothes have been
donated.
I put my clothes anyway and when I get dressed in the morning,
everything fits. If I keep eating, though, that won't last.

I mentioned all this today to a friend at work, and she looked at
me
like I was crazy and said "Where could you possibly feel fat! My
gawd,
you are so skinny." Honestly, I just don't see it. My head still
sees
me back at 232 and feeling bad about much I weigh. And then those
people inside my head start taunting me: since I'm fat and will
always
be fat, I might as well eat.

So that's what I'm dealing with. I'm gonna keep fighting this
because
the rational part of my brain is still functioning. And I do not
want
to go back. This week, though, I'll consider it a victory just to
go
to my WI. I'm going to try to go to the meeting early and talk to
the
leader. Thanks for listening.
--
Linda P
232/148.8/10% goal: 138

It worked that way for me. No more junk and empty calories. I did wander
last night as we had pizza before our trip to mom territory. Having pizza
before our 6+ hour drive was easy on everyone. I just wish that I did not
have that 2nd slice. I have not had pizza since mid august. I'm back on
track today.

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
...
and you reminded me that many say core helped them to get off the sugar
craving cycle, Lee
Laura wrote in message
news
I am doing a combination of Flex and Core. I only eat according to the
Core
program and officially only count point for the non-core items. I am
unofficially still journalling and tracking my points like I did under
Flex.
This keeps my portions under control. I tried not counting for a few
days
and found that my portions were getting bigger cuz there was nothing to
stop
me from having more. My ability to know when I am satisfied has not been
developed enough. I am better off having the normal portions placed on
my
plate and stopping there. If I am still hungry later I will have
something
else. This does not happen very often because everything is high fiber.
Gone
are my junk foods. I still have my frequent non-fat ice cream from the
local ice cream store but I get a small and it is only 2 points. Well
1.5+
but I count it as 2 and I use my WPAs for that. I do have to make sure
that
I eat enough points though. There have been numerous days that I just
was
not very hungry and ate only 20 points. My normal target is 24.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
Thanks Laura. "Anxiety" is the right word. Going back to 22 points
seems to be the correct tactic for now. Tomorrow is my WI, and I fully
expect to have regained every lb I lost the week previous. But I get
to start over--correction, I get to start from wherever I am. As long
as keep trying, there's hope that I'll eventually get things figured
out. Core, hmm. I don't have any trouble with the idea of
"restricting" myself to foods on the Core list. But not counting
points? That would feel like walking over the edge of a cliff.
--
Linda P

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 23:25:23 GMT, "Laura"
wrote:

I agree with the others suggestion of you going back to 22 points.
This
is a
mind thing that you have to work through. All of us have
been-there-done-that in some form or another. You'll figure it
out--you
always do. You've come so far and you are certainly not fat if you
get
20
points. Maybe trying Core for a couple of weeks would give you some
relief
from counting points. That might ease your anxiety. Hang in there.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
.. .
You know how sometimes we talk about the 'switch,' that indefinable
moment when weight loss became possible? Well, mine's got a short
or
something's gone haywire with the circuitry. I did fine last week.
But
since my WI, my eating's gone off the deepend. Don't know what set
it
off, but I just can't seem to stop. Well, not entirely true.
Yesterday, I ate well under my points after 3 days of overeating.
But
today, I ate over points again and my 35 flex points are long gone.
What's going on? For one, I think I have a mental block about 20
daily
target points. 22 points I can do, no problem. Something happens,
though, when I drop to 20 points: I think I'm going to starve,
which
then sets off all sorts of cravings.

Another thing I'm battling is feeling fat. I take jeans and shirts
and
underwear out of the dryer and wonder who I thought I was kidding
when
I bought such small clothes, or i figure that maybe they've shrunk
because surely those things won't fit me. As I type this, it's
laughable. But when I'm standing in front of the dryer, I'm not
laughing. In fact, I'm close to tears because I truly do despair
about
what I'm going to wear now that all my fat clothes have been
donated.
I put my clothes anyway and when I get dressed in the morning,
everything fits. If I keep eating, though, that won't last.

I mentioned all this today to a friend at work, and she looked at
me
like I was crazy and said "Where could you possibly feel fat! My
gawd,
you are so skinny." Honestly, I just don't see it. My head still
sees
me back at 232 and feeling bad about much I weigh. And then those
people inside my head start taunting me: since I'm fat and will
always
be fat, I might as well eat.

So that's what I'm dealing with. I'm gonna keep fighting this
because
the rational part of my brain is still functioning. And I do not
want
to go back. This week, though, I'll consider it a victory just to
go
to my WI. I'm going to try to go to the meeting early and talk to
the
leader. Thanks for listening.
--
Linda P
232/148.8/10% goal: 138

although... the kind you were thinking can cause the kind referred to in
this post... that is... if done properly... Lee, trying to keep in mind this
is a family type group
Fred wrote in message
...
Sugar showed UP on the scale.

I think being scared to eat can be somewhat of a danger but probably a
natural outcome of our previous experiences with overweightness.
Maybe that is where JOURNALING points would really help. 6 hours of
extreme hiking had to be worth more than half a powerbar and a slice
of cheese and piece of bread - now as I think about it.

I think you will come out with a balanced idea of what works - well,
you already do know what works on normal days. You have to practice
it (look who is talking). The bigger biking days do need food to keep
the bonking from occurring. Bonking is not fun and once run down too
far, it is hard to recover that day, too. (to our British readers,
bonking means running out of steam due to lack of food and being hit
with exhaustion suddenly. It is NOT what you otherwise think!!!! (G))

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:34:15 -0500, "prairieroots"
wrote:

After our ng exchange last night, I searched my rebuilt hard drive and
discovered that I had, indeed, saved my entire WW folder, including my
old
Winning Points spreadsheet. It might be a good time for me to bring that
out and dust it off, if only for a while. As I recall, the daily points
spread for my current was 18-23. So my 22-pt threshhold would fit in
quite
nicely. Since my WI is now on Wednesday, I'd have a chance to bank a few
points for the weekend, if necessary. But I do find that if I'm eating
enough on a daily basis, the feelings of deprivation and over-hungry are
more easily kept at bay.

Eating during exercise is something that still is very foreign to me. I'm
like you; I'll be so conscientious about not gaining weight that I don't
eat enough to keep my energy levels. Only to eat everything that's not
nailed down for the next two days. I'm not counting my 4-mile bike
commute
or my 3-mile walk around the lake or my 40 minutes on the Pilates
machine.
I'm talking about the extended hours of activity, like 2 hours of biking
etc.

In another thread, we were talking about bike riding in Wisconsin. So now
when you said you were off to WI, I thought you were on your way to
Madison or LaCrosse or Milwaukee. I had to read it three times to finally
realize your were talking about your Wednesday weigh-in. LOL I hope all
the SUGAR you ate this week worked its way out of your system and doesn't
show up on the scale.