There's a short in my switch

Prairie Roots wrote:

Don't be fooled by the persona I present here. I'm much funnier and 20
times smarter in real life.

So are we all... ;D

I do not have my issues under control. My eating issues are under
house arrest, but security is often lax and there are too many escape
routes. My housekeeping issues... don't want to go there. I'm still
dealing with the money issues left over from my marriage. The good
news is that there's significant progress on all fronts.

That is great! Any progress is good in you 'interesting' circumstances.

I'm having a friend over for dinner tomorrow. One of the commitments I
made to myself was that after my kitchen and bathroom were safe for
humans to enter, I'd invite someone to my house for dinner at least
once a month. I thought I'd have the rest of the house done by now,
but alas, I ran out of money and then there were all the work- and
family-related responsibilities. I found myself relying on my old
excuses for staying a recluse. This week I decided So What if parts of
my house still resemble a construction zone? and invited a good friend
for dinner. I found a WW recipe I want to try, I'll make the pumpkin
angel food cake, we'll open a bottle of Merlot, and after an hour or
two, maybe it won't matter that there's a bag of plaster in the living
room. Tonight I'll clean the bathroom, wipe down the kitchen, and
vacuum around the edges.

I rely heavily on a constant stream of visitors and customers to boost
my housekeeping to the point of being able to walk from the kitchen sink
to the dining room door without treading on anything but carpet, and to
keep the living room carpet 60% visible! And I don't have the excuse of
builders in for the duration...

My sister gave up housekeeping altogether when the builders killed her
Dyson with their rubble. She took up gardening for the year instead!
She ducked out at Christmas, and they went to the Lake District for a
week, and Marks & Spencer prepared their Christmas dinner and delivered
it to the cottage. All she had to do was throw the turkey in the oven
and cook the vegetables. At one point I remember visiting her and
eating in the garden as the house was technically unsafe, and officially
one should have worn a hard hat and steel toecap boots in the shower!
Now they have just finished with the builder who built the chimney for
their wood burning stove, the walls are painted, and the flooring (oak)
will go down as soon as the new puppy is fully house trained (hopefully
before Christmas). I am contemplating getting some tiles up in the
kitchen at last, after 2 years or error and delay. It DOES come to an
end eventually!

--
Kate XXXXXX
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!

Prairie Roots wrote:

Don't be fooled by the persona I present here. I'm much funnier and 20
times smarter in real life.

So are we all... ;D

I do not have my issues under control. My eating issues are under
house arrest, but security is often lax and there are too many escape
routes. My housekeeping issues... don't want to go there. I'm still
dealing with the money issues left over from my marriage. The good
news is that there's significant progress on all fronts.

That is great! Any progress is good in you 'interesting' circumstances.

I'm having a friend over for dinner tomorrow. One of the commitments I
made to myself was that after my kitchen and bathroom were safe for
humans to enter, I'd invite someone to my house for dinner at least
once a month. I thought I'd have the rest of the house done by now,
but alas, I ran out of money and then there were all the work- and
family-related responsibilities. I found myself relying on my old
excuses for staying a recluse. This week I decided So What if parts of
my house still resemble a construction zone? and invited a good friend
for dinner. I found a WW recipe I want to try, I'll make the pumpkin
angel food cake, we'll open a bottle of Merlot, and after an hour or
two, maybe it won't matter that there's a bag of plaster in the living
room. Tonight I'll clean the bathroom, wipe down the kitchen, and
vacuum around the edges.

I rely heavily on a constant stream of visitors and customers to boost
my housekeeping to the point of being able to walk from the kitchen sink
to the dining room door without treading on anything but carpet, and to
keep the living room carpet 60% visible! And I don't have the excuse of
builders in for the duration...

My sister gave up housekeeping altogether when the builders killed her
Dyson with their rubble. She took up gardening for the year instead!
She ducked out at Christmas, and they went to the Lake District for a
week, and Marks & Spencer prepared their Christmas dinner and delivered
it to the cottage. All she had to do was throw the turkey in the oven
and cook the vegetables. At one point I remember visiting her and
eating in the garden as the house was technically unsafe, and officially
one should have worn a hard hat and steel toecap boots in the shower!
Now they have just finished with the builder who built the chimney for
their wood burning stove, the walls are painted, and the flooring (oak)
will go down as soon as the new puppy is fully house trained (hopefully
before Christmas). I am contemplating getting some tiles up in the
kitchen at last, after 2 years or error and delay. It DOES come to an
end eventually!

--
Kate XXXXXX
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!

I find house arrest as close as some issues get, the fact that you know
there are escapperoutes is fabulous, I hope you have a great time, let us
know how the recipe turned out, Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
...
Don't be fooled by the persona I present here. I'm much funnier and 20
times smarter in real life.

I do not have my issues under control. My eating issues are under
house arrest, but security is often lax and there are too many escape
routes. My housekeeping issues... don't want to go there. I'm still
dealing with the money issues left over from my marriage. The good
news is that there's significant progress on all fronts.

I'm having a friend over for dinner tomorrow. One of the commitments I
made to myself was that after my kitchen and bathroom were safe for
humans to enter, I'd invite someone to my house for dinner at least
once a month. I thought I'd have the rest of the house done by now,
but alas, I ran out of money and then there were all the work- and
family-related responsibilities. I found myself relying on my old
excuses for staying a recluse. This week I decided So What if parts of
my house still resemble a construction zone? and invited a good friend
for dinner. I found a WW recipe I want to try, I'll make the pumpkin
angel food cake, we'll open a bottle of Merlot, and after an hour or
two, maybe it won't matter that there's a bag of plaster in the living
room. Tonight I'll clean the bathroom, wipe down the kitchen, and
vacuum around the edges.
--
Linda P

On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:28:48 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I view it as the natural result because of the human need to share. Now
that you have done the work you needed to to get your issues under
control
the desire to share those accomplishments with a permanent partner is
just
logical to me. The reason I asked the question was very selfish. I find
very few people on line or in person that has a sense of humor and smarts
that I appreciate and you are one such person, I look forward to your
posts
and would be really sad if you were not here. and *deep blush* Thank you
for being so kind in your remarks, Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
news
I don't know if what I'm doing is the "natural" result of all I've
done, unless it's an extension of coming out of hiding, which is one
way that I look at my weight loss. I also look at my weight loss as
the last bit of recovery from my marriage and divorce. So in that
sense, I guess I'm "ready," if I ever will be.

Yes, I'm nervous and anxious and yada-yada-yada about meeting someone.
But I think that would be true of just about anyone re-entering the
dating world. I also believe that the rest of the work that I need to
do can only be done once I'm in a relationship. For one thing, all
those boundary skills I've learned can only be practiced when there's
someone to keep out, or in, as the case may be.

I never thought of my inner voices as being jealous, but that's
actually a very helpful concept and fun, too.

Let me state again for the record, Lee, that you didn't offend me and
I can't imagine that you ever could. If I was offended by anything you
said, it would be because you hit a truth too close to home. But that
would be my problem because you always tell the truth in love.

I also appreciate the guts it took to post the question to find out
whether I was offended. You have no idea how much I admire you and
value your insights. And you can trust that I'm telling the truth,
being the forthright person that I am.
--
Linda P

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:06:12 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I purposely did not mention your on line dating service because that
is
the
hugest step of all, and it is to me the natural result of all you have
done,
and you are right, I can't imagine trying to find a mate, but then I
can't
imagine most days that I got so very lucky with the one I have, and
the
chorus is jealous that the thin cute you will be able to find the
right
partner and then you will have someone else whispering in your ear and
they
won't be heard,I am glad you took my post the way I meant it, after I
sent
it I freaked myself out *talk about self doubt* and then when you
answered
everyone else big time paranoia set in, and then I realized after you
said
you were not offended you, being the forthright person you are would
have
told me so, Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
Thanks Lee. There's a lot of truth in what you wrote and I greatly
appreciate your perceptive insights. When I read through your
listing
of the ways I've changed, I noticed one significant omission: that
I've recently signed up with an online matchmaking service. Of all
the
scary things I've done, this is the scariest.

As I read through the descriptions of what people are looking for in
a
partner, or what people say to describe themselves, I feel horribly
inadequate and wonder why I think I'm bothering. Once again, the
Greek
chorus is chanting "Who am I kidding?" And then panic sets in.
Seeking
a life companion is such an act of hope, yet I feel so hopeless. And
terrified. And vulnerable: I had to think long and hard about what
and
how much I would say about this in a repy to you. But I am starting
to
talk about it with a few of my friends. Thankfully, none of them are
laughing at me (at least not in front of me!), and all of them are
sincerely helpful about offering feedback and suggestions and
reassurances. So at least I've mostly stopped feeling stupid. And
I'm
overcoming some of my self-consciousness.

By the way, just to put this into perspective, I've begun
corresponding with one person, but nothing offline. Imagine the
tailspin I'll go into if anything ever advances to that stage!!

Thanks for sparking my thinking Lee.
--
Linda P, who never made it past adolescence when it comes to affairs
of the heart


On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 05:03:58 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

first of all just go back to 22 points, there, see you aren't gonna
starve.
Now let me tell you about last summer... I have seven nieces.
they,
the
older ones spend some time with me. I do the laundry and not being
able
to
see was very challenging because two of the nieces are around the
size
I
am
now. As I pulled pants out of the dryer or washer to hang them I
got
very
frustrated and confused because I couldn't always tell their
clothes
from
mine. I realized that this was totally body image and I certainly
could
NOT
be the same size as a 15 year old. I had a great deal of
difficulty
with
this and then it dawned on me that maybe I didn't feel I deserve to
be
this
small and who was I kidding anyway, if I were that size I would be
pretty
healthy and perhaps pretty attractive. I realized that this was my
mind
self sabotaging my efforts. You could be going through the same
things,
after all, you have redone your house, joined a bike club, gotten
advancement and recognition at your work, if you feel you are being
fraudulent and do not deserve these things because you are not
worthy
then
it has to be that you are really a fat person temporarily
masquerading
as
a
thin one, and being basically honest you do not like the deception
so
therefore if you are fat again then everyone will se you do not
deserve
these great things you have accomplished.

I do sympathize but here is your kick in the rear**** you DO
deserve
all
you
have accomplished and no amount of eating will quiet those voices,
just
turn
up the radio and go and exercise every time they start taunting you
and
maybe you will make them tired enough they will shut up, I an so
sorry
you
have to go through this I know it is painful, Lee, who talks big
but
goes
through similar quite often
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
You know how sometimes we talk about the 'switch,' that
indefinable
moment when weight loss became possible? Well, mine's got a short
or
something's gone haywire with the circuitry. I did fine last
week.
But
since my WI, my eating's gone off the deepend. Don't know what
set
it
off, but I just can't seem to stop. Well, not entirely true.
Yesterday, I ate well under my points after 3 days of overeating.
But
today, I ate over points again and my 35 flex points are long
gone.
What's going on? For one, I think I have a mental block about 20
daily
target points. 22 points I can do, no problem. Something happens,
though, when I drop to 20 points: I think I'm going to starve,
which
then sets off all sorts of cravings.

Another thing I'm battling is feeling fat. I take jeans and
shirts
and
underwear out of the dryer and wonder who I thought I was kidding
when
I bought such small clothes, or i figure that maybe they've
shrunk
because surely those things won't fit me. As I type this, it's
laughable. But when I'm standing in front of the dryer, I'm not
laughing. In fact, I'm close to tears because I truly do despair
about
what I'm going to wear now that all my fat clothes have been
donated.
I put my clothes anyway and when I get dressed in the morning,
everything fits. If I keep eating, though, that won't last.

I mentioned all this today to a friend at work, and she looked at
me
like I was crazy and said "Where could you possibly feel fat! My
gawd,
you are so skinny." Honestly, I just don't see it. My head still
sees
me back at 232 and feeling bad about much I weigh. And then those
people inside my head start taunting me: since I'm fat and will
always
be fat, I might as well eat.

So that's what I'm dealing with. I'm gonna keep fighting this
because
the rational part of my brain is still functioning. And I do not
want
to go back. This week, though, I'll consider it a victory just to
go
to my WI. I'm going to try to go to the meeting early and talk to
the
leader. Thanks for listening.
--
Linda P
232/148.8/10% goal: 138

hang in there, Lee
Laura wrote in message
...
I was good until dinner time. We went out to dinner. We started with
Philly
Fries: Steak fries covered with cheese and bacon bits. I had the chicken
Fajitas. No torillas and only half of the cheese. This is not going to be
a
good weekend. I thought I could do okay being away. We are up in MA
closing
the townhouse for the winter so I am out of my element. Have breakfast and
lunch figured out but as usual am at the mercy of DH and his cooking.
Tomorrow we eat in so that should be better. I can't believe I ate the
fries. arrgghh.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
If you're back on track already after pizza yesterday, you should
figure out how to bottle your resolve and sell it. It takes days for
the cravings to subside after I eat pizza.
--
Linda P

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:44:09 GMT, "Laura"
wrote:

It worked that way for me. No more junk and empty calories. I did
wander
last night as we had pizza before our trip to mom territory. Having
pizza
before our 6+ hour drive was easy on everyone. I just wish that I did
not
have that 2nd slice. I have not had pizza since mid august. I'm back on
track today.

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
...
and you reminded me that many say core helped them to get off the
sugar
craving cycle, Lee
Laura wrote in message
news I am doing a combination of Flex and Core. I only eat according to
the
Core
program and officially only count point for the non-core items. I
am
unofficially still journalling and tracking my points like I did
under
Flex.
This keeps my portions under control. I tried not counting for a
few
days
and found that my portions were getting bigger cuz there was
nothing
to
stop
me from having more. My ability to know when I am satisfied has not
been
developed enough. I am better off having the normal portions placed
on
my
plate and stopping there. If I am still hungry later I will have
something
else. This does not happen very often because everything is high
fiber.
Gone
are my junk foods. I still have my frequent non-fat ice cream from
the
local ice cream store but I get a small and it is only 2 points.
Well
1.5+
but I count it as 2 and I use my WPAs for that. I do have to make
sure
that
I eat enough points though. There have been numerous days that I
just
was
not very hungry and ate only 20 points. My normal target is 24.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
Thanks Laura. "Anxiety" is the right word. Going back to 22
points
seems to be the correct tactic for now. Tomorrow is my WI, and I
fully
expect to have regained every lb I lost the week previous. But I
get
to start over--correction, I get to start from wherever I am. As
long
as keep trying, there's hope that I'll eventually get things
figured
out. Core, hmm. I don't have any trouble with the idea of
"restricting" myself to foods on the Core list. But not counting
points? That would feel like walking over the edge of a cliff.
--
Linda P

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 23:25:23 GMT, "Laura"

wrote:

I agree with the others suggestion of you going back to 22
points.
This
is a
mind thing that you have to work through. All of us have
been-there-done-that in some form or another. You'll figure it
out--you
always do. You've come so far and you are certainly not fat if
you
get
20
points. Maybe trying Core for a couple of weeks would give you
some
relief
from counting points. That might ease your anxiety. Hang in
there.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
.. .
You know how sometimes we talk about the 'switch,' that
indefinable
moment when weight loss became possible? Well, mine's got a
short
or
something's gone haywire with the circuitry. I did fine last
week.
But
since my WI, my eating's gone off the deepend. Don't know what
set
it
off, but I just can't seem to stop. Well, not entirely true.
Yesterday, I ate well under my points after 3 days of
overeating.
But
today, I ate over points again and my 35 flex points are long
gone.
What's going on? For one, I think I have a mental block about
20
daily
target points. 22 points I can do, no problem. Something
happens,
though, when I drop to 20 points: I think I'm going to starve,
which
then sets off all sorts of cravings.

Another thing I'm battling is feeling fat. I take jeans and
shirts
and
underwear out of the dryer and wonder who I thought I was
kidding
when
I bought such small clothes, or i figure that maybe they've
shrunk
because surely those things won't fit me. As I type this, it's
laughable. But when I'm standing in front of the dryer, I'm
not
laughing. In fact, I'm close to tears because I truly do
despair
about
what I'm going to wear now that all my fat clothes have been
donated.
I put my clothes anyway and when I get dressed in the morning,
everything fits. If I keep eating, though, that won't last.

I mentioned all this today to a friend at work, and she looked
at
me
like I was crazy and said "Where could you possibly feel fat!
My
gawd,
you are so skinny." Honestly, I just don't see it. My head
still
sees
me back at 232 and feeling bad about much I weigh. And then
those
people inside my head start taunting me: since I'm fat and
will
always
be fat, I might as well eat.

So that's what I'm dealing with. I'm gonna keep fighting this
because
the rational part of my brain is still functioning. And I do
not
want
to go back. This week, though, I'll consider it a victory just
to
go
to my WI. I'm going to try to go to the meeting early and talk
to
the
leader. Thanks for listening.
--
Linda P
232/148.8/10% goal: 138

I even like them fixed like that, Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
...
Me too. Just finished eating one with dinner. It's one of my favorite
foods. As a kid, though, I hated them. Mom always fixed them for
Thanksgiving and Christmas, using the canned variety and topping them
with butter, brown sugar, and marshmallows. Even the thought of that
old recipe makes me gag.
--
Linda P

On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:07:53 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I love sweet potato made just about any way, Lee
Fred wrote in message
.. .
It does allow individual flexibility and adaptions. Of course, this
concept only works if you know the older RANGE program. It worked for
me quite well. (oh, baked sweet potato is wafting up this way.... (g))

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:18:22 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

that is interesting, I like the idea that everything is fixed and that
I
am
reducing food to x amount of food, I had horrible times saving up for
extras, now on flex I rarely use more than 1 or 2 points until the
last
day
of my week, that is just too cool how we each can adapt the principles
of
the program to suit our individual needs, Lee
Fred wrote in message
news I'm sure you recreate it (G)

I know -ME-. I am really glad I joined when Winning Points or
whatever was the program. I would have been critically impaired (G)
by being told I had to eat 24 points each and every day. Even
having
those flex points out there would not have been good enough. It
would
have been this rigid, inflexible objective each day. NO WAY. That
is
just not my style. Saving "excess" points was more of my style.
Also, frankly, my exercise level does not lend itself to eating all
activity points as/when earned. I still find that the next day I
need
more. Altho, I think that I did learn in Europe (well, after) that
I
should have been eating more each day to counter the extreme hiking
each day. I think I was TOO driven by "can't gain weight/have to
control input" when I could have used more fuel. I get this feeling
that may be what is driving the "broken switch" now. Or that's my
excuse anyway.

Well, almost off to WI..... (yikes!)

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:50:10 -0600, Prairie Roots
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 18:32:26 -0800, Fred

wrote:

I still never did alter to the ONE POINT VALUE per day, perferring
the
less anal/rigid/unforgiving daily range

Ah yes, the old Winning Points program in which you earned your
extra
points instead of being given them at the beginning of ea
chweek.Hm.
I've still got a spreadsheet from those days. I might try to dig
that
out. Oh wait. Over the weekend I had to reformat my hard drive.
That's
one thing I didn't back up.

I think it's the marshmallows that trigger the gag reflex. It's at the
top of a very short list of sweets that I can leave alone. If I want
something warm and laden with fat and sugar, I'd rather have pie or a
warm cinnamon roll.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:32:58 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I even like them fixed like that, Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
Me too. Just finished eating one with dinner. It's one of my favorite
foods. As a kid, though, I hated them. Mom always fixed them for
Thanksgiving and Christmas, using the canned variety and topping them
with butter, brown sugar, and marshmallows. Even the thought of that
old recipe makes me gag.
--
Linda P

On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:07:53 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I love sweet potato made just about any way, Lee
Fred wrote in message
.. .
It does allow individual flexibility and adaptions. Of course, this
concept only works if you know the older RANGE program. It worked for
me quite well. (oh, baked sweet potato is wafting up this way.... (g))

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:18:22 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

that is interesting, I like the idea that everything is fixed and that
I
am
reducing food to x amount of food, I had horrible times saving up for
extras, now on flex I rarely use more than 1 or 2 points until the
last
day
of my week, that is just too cool how we each can adapt the principles
of
the program to suit our individual needs, Lee
Fred wrote in message
news I'm sure you recreate it (G)

I know -ME-. I am really glad I joined when Winning Points or
whatever was the program. I would have been critically impaired (G)
by being told I had to eat 24 points each and every day. Even
having
those flex points out there would not have been good enough. It
would
have been this rigid, inflexible objective each day. NO WAY. That
is
just not my style. Saving "excess" points was more of my style.
Also, frankly, my exercise level does not lend itself to eating all
activity points as/when earned. I still find that the next day I
need
more. Altho, I think that I did learn in Europe (well, after) that
I
should have been eating more each day to counter the extreme hiking
each day. I think I was TOO driven by "can't gain weight/have to
control input" when I could have used more fuel. I get this feeling
that may be what is driving the "broken switch" now. Or that's my
excuse anyway.

Well, almost off to WI..... (yikes!)

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:50:10 -0600, Prairie Roots
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 18:32:26 -0800, Fred

wrote:

I still never did alter to the ONE POINT VALUE per day, perferring
the
less anal/rigid/unforgiving daily range

Ah yes, the old Winning Points program in which you earned your
extra
points instead of being given them at the beginning of ea
chweek.Hm.
I've still got a spreadsheet from those days. I might try to dig
that
out. Oh wait. Over the weekend I had to reformat my hard drive.
That's
one thing I didn't back up.

That's my plan. Do the best that I can under the circumstances. TOM finally
arrived after 45 days so that is playing a role too. Since I am away this
week I won't have a WI tomorrow. This gives me a week to undo any damage
done this week. I haven't lost anything in the past 3 weeks. I just hope
this is not a sign of a plateau.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
Do the best you can, Laura. When you get back home, get back to your
routines as quickly as possible. As for the fries tonight, blame it on
yesterday's pizza.

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 03:06:24 GMT, "Laura"
wrote:

I was good until dinner time. We went out to dinner. We started with
Philly
Fries: Steak fries covered with cheese and bacon bits. I had the chicken
Fajitas. No torillas and only half of the cheese. This is not going to be
a
good weekend. I thought I could do okay being away. We are up in MA
closing
the townhouse for the winter so I am out of my element. Have breakfast
and
lunch figured out but as usual am at the mercy of DH and his cooking.
Tomorrow we eat in so that should be better. I can't believe I ate the
fries. arrgghh.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
.. .
If you're back on track already after pizza yesterday, you should
figure out how to bottle your resolve and sell it. It takes days for
the cravings to subside after I eat pizza.
--
Linda P

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:44:09 GMT, "Laura"
wrote:

It worked that way for me. No more junk and empty calories. I did
wander
last night as we had pizza before our trip to mom territory. Having
pizza
before our 6+ hour drive was easy on everyone. I just wish that I did
not
have that 2nd slice. I have not had pizza since mid august. I'm back
on
track today.

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
...
and you reminded me that many say core helped them to get off the
sugar
craving cycle, Lee
Laura wrote in message
news I am doing a combination of Flex and Core. I only eat according to
the
Core
program and officially only count point for the non-core items. I
am
unofficially still journalling and tracking my points like I did
under
Flex.
This keeps my portions under control. I tried not counting for a
few
days
and found that my portions were getting bigger cuz there was
nothing
to
stop
me from having more. My ability to know when I am satisfied has
not
been
developed enough. I am better off having the normal portions
placed
on
my
plate and stopping there. If I am still hungry later I will have
something
else. This does not happen very often because everything is high
fiber.
Gone
are my junk foods. I still have my frequent non-fat ice cream
from
the
local ice cream store but I get a small and it is only 2 points.
Well
1.5+
but I count it as 2 and I use my WPAs for that. I do have to make
sure
that
I eat enough points though. There have been numerous days that I
just
was
not very hungry and ate only 20 points. My normal target is 24.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
Thanks Laura. "Anxiety" is the right word. Going back to 22
points
seems to be the correct tactic for now. Tomorrow is my WI, and I
fully
expect to have regained every lb I lost the week previous. But I
get
to start over--correction, I get to start from wherever I am. As
long
as keep trying, there's hope that I'll eventually get things
figured
out. Core, hmm. I don't have any trouble with the idea of
"restricting" myself to foods on the Core list. But not counting
points? That would feel like walking over the edge of a cliff.
--
Linda P

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 23:25:23 GMT, "Laura"

wrote:

I agree with the others suggestion of you going back to 22
points.
This
is a
mind thing that you have to work through. All of us have
been-there-done-that in some form or another. You'll figure it
out--you
always do. You've come so far and you are certainly not fat if
you
get
20
points. Maybe trying Core for a couple of weeks would give you
some
relief
from counting points. That might ease your anxiety. Hang in
there.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
.. .
You know how sometimes we talk about the 'switch,' that
indefinable
moment when weight loss became possible? Well, mine's got a
short
or
something's gone haywire with the circuitry. I did fine last
week.
But
since my WI, my eating's gone off the deepend. Don't know
what
set
it
off, but I just can't seem to stop. Well, not entirely true.
Yesterday, I ate well under my points after 3 days of
overeating.
But
today, I ate over points again and my 35 flex points are long
gone.
What's going on? For one, I think I have a mental block about
20
daily
target points. 22 points I can do, no problem. Something
happens,
though, when I drop to 20 points: I think I'm going to
starve,
which
then sets off all sorts of cravings.

Another thing I'm battling is feeling fat. I take jeans and
shirts
and
underwear out of the dryer and wonder who I thought I was
kidding
when
I bought such small clothes, or i figure that maybe they've
shrunk
because surely those things won't fit me. As I type this,
it's
laughable. But when I'm standing in front of the dryer, I'm
not
laughing. In fact, I'm close to tears because I truly do
despair
about
what I'm going to wear now that all my fat clothes have been
donated.
I put my clothes anyway and when I get dressed in the
morning,
everything fits. If I keep eating, though, that won't last.

I mentioned all this today to a friend at work, and she
looked
at
me
like I was crazy and said "Where could you possibly feel fat!
My
gawd,
you are so skinny." Honestly, I just don't see it. My head
still
sees
me back at 232 and feeling bad about much I weigh. And then
those
people inside my head start taunting me: since I'm fat and
will
always
be fat, I might as well eat.

So that's what I'm dealing with. I'm gonna keep fighting this
because
the rational part of my brain is still functioning. And I do
not
want
to go back. This week, though, I'll consider it a victory
just
to
go
to my WI. I'm going to try to go to the meeting early and
talk
to
the
leader. Thanks for listening.
--
Linda P
232/148.8/10% goal: 138

Thanks. That's what I am trying to do.

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
...
hang in there, Lee
Laura wrote in message
...
I was good until dinner time. We went out to dinner. We started with
Philly
Fries: Steak fries covered with cheese and bacon bits. I had the chicken
Fajitas. No torillas and only half of the cheese. This is not going to
be
a
good weekend. I thought I could do okay being away. We are up in MA
closing
the townhouse for the winter so I am out of my element. Have breakfast
and
lunch figured out but as usual am at the mercy of DH and his cooking.
Tomorrow we eat in so that should be better. I can't believe I ate the
fries. arrgghh.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
If you're back on track already after pizza yesterday, you should
figure out how to bottle your resolve and sell it. It takes days for
the cravings to subside after I eat pizza.
--
Linda P

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:44:09 GMT, "Laura"
wrote:

It worked that way for me. No more junk and empty calories. I did
wander
last night as we had pizza before our trip to mom territory. Having
pizza
before our 6+ hour drive was easy on everyone. I just wish that I did
not
have that 2nd slice. I have not had pizza since mid august. I'm back
on
track today.

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
...
and you reminded me that many say core helped them to get off the
sugar
craving cycle, Lee
Laura wrote in message
news I am doing a combination of Flex and Core. I only eat according
to
the
Core
program and officially only count point for the non-core items. I
am
unofficially still journalling and tracking my points like I did
under
Flex.
This keeps my portions under control. I tried not counting for a
few
days
and found that my portions were getting bigger cuz there was
nothing
to
stop
me from having more. My ability to know when I am satisfied has
not
been
developed enough. I am better off having the normal portions
placed
on
my
plate and stopping there. If I am still hungry later I will have
something
else. This does not happen very often because everything is high
fiber.
Gone
are my junk foods. I still have my frequent non-fat ice cream
from
the
local ice cream store but I get a small and it is only 2 points.
Well
1.5+
but I count it as 2 and I use my WPAs for that. I do have to make
sure
that
I eat enough points though. There have been numerous days that I
just
was
not very hungry and ate only 20 points. My normal target is 24.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
Thanks Laura. "Anxiety" is the right word. Going back to 22
points
seems to be the correct tactic for now. Tomorrow is my WI, and
I
fully
expect to have regained every lb I lost the week previous. But
I
get
to start over--correction, I get to start from wherever I am.
As
long
as keep trying, there's hope that I'll eventually get things
figured
out. Core, hmm. I don't have any trouble with the idea of
"restricting" myself to foods on the Core list. But not
counting
points? That would feel like walking over the edge of a cliff.
--
Linda P

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 23:25:23 GMT, "Laura"

wrote:

I agree with the others suggestion of you going back to 22
points.
This
is a
mind thing that you have to work through. All of us have
been-there-done-that in some form or another. You'll figure it
out--you
always do. You've come so far and you are certainly not fat if
you
get
20
points. Maybe trying Core for a couple of weeks would give you
some
relief
from counting points. That might ease your anxiety. Hang in
there.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
.. .
You know how sometimes we talk about the 'switch,' that
indefinable
moment when weight loss became possible? Well, mine's got a
short
or
something's gone haywire with the circuitry. I did fine last
week.
But
since my WI, my eating's gone off the deepend. Don't know
what
set
it
off, but I just can't seem to stop. Well, not entirely true.
Yesterday, I ate well under my points after 3 days of
overeating.
But
today, I ate over points again and my 35 flex points are
long
gone.
What's going on? For one, I think I have a mental block
about
20
daily
target points. 22 points I can do, no problem. Something
happens,
though, when I drop to 20 points: I think I'm going to
starve,
which
then sets off all sorts of cravings.

Another thing I'm battling is feeling fat. I take jeans and
shirts
and
underwear out of the dryer and wonder who I thought I was
kidding
when
I bought such small clothes, or i figure that maybe they've
shrunk
because surely those things won't fit me. As I type this,
it's
laughable. But when I'm standing in front of the dryer, I'm
not
laughing. In fact, I'm close to tears because I truly do
despair
about
what I'm going to wear now that all my fat clothes have been
donated.
I put my clothes anyway and when I get dressed in the
morning,
everything fits. If I keep eating, though, that won't last.

I mentioned all this today to a friend at work, and she
looked
at
me
like I was crazy and said "Where could you possibly feel
fat!
My
gawd,
you are so skinny." Honestly, I just don't see it. My head
still
sees
me back at 232 and feeling bad about much I weigh. And then
those
people inside my head start taunting me: since I'm fat and
will
always
be fat, I might as well eat.

So that's what I'm dealing with. I'm gonna keep fighting
this
because
the rational part of my brain is still functioning. And I do
not
want
to go back. This week, though, I'll consider it a victory
just
to
go
to my WI. I'm going to try to go to the meeting early and
talk
to
the
leader. Thanks for listening.
--
Linda P
232/148.8/10% goal: 138

If the marshmallows get browned on top, they don't look so bad. But if
the marshmallows are just melted and gooey but still cloud-white, the
appearance is indeed unappetizing, in my opinion.
--
Linda P

On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 05:30:56 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

and from what I remember the way the potatoes looked when cooked this way
are not altogether attractive, Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
I think it's the marshmallows that trigger the gag reflex. It's at the
top of a very short list of sweets that I can leave alone. If I want
something warm and laden with fat and sugar, I'd rather have pie or a
warm cinnamon roll.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:32:58 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I even like them fixed like that, Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
Me too. Just finished eating one with dinner. It's one of my favorite
foods. As a kid, though, I hated them. Mom always fixed them for
Thanksgiving and Christmas, using the canned variety and topping them
with butter, brown sugar, and marshmallows. Even the thought of that
old recipe makes me gag.
--
Linda P

On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:07:53 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I love sweet potato made just about any way, Lee
Fred wrote in message
.. .
It does allow individual flexibility and adaptions. Of course, this
concept only works if you know the older RANGE program. It worked
for
me quite well. (oh, baked sweet potato is wafting up this way....
(g))

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:18:22 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

that is interesting, I like the idea that everything is fixed and
that
I
am
reducing food to x amount of food, I had horrible times saving up
for
extras, now on flex I rarely use more than 1 or 2 points until the
last
day
of my week, that is just too cool how we each can adapt the
principles
of
the program to suit our individual needs, Lee
Fred wrote in message
news I'm sure you recreate it (G)

I know -ME-. I am really glad I joined when Winning Points or
whatever was the program. I would have been critically impaired
(G)
by being told I had to eat 24 points each and every day. Even
having
those flex points out there would not have been good enough. It
would
have been this rigid, inflexible objective each day. NO WAY.
That
is
just not my style. Saving "excess" points was more of my style.
Also, frankly, my exercise level does not lend itself to eating
all
activity points as/when earned. I still find that the next day I
need
more. Altho, I think that I did learn in Europe (well, after)
that
I
should have been eating more each day to counter the extreme
hiking
each day. I think I was TOO driven by "can't gain weight/have to
control input" when I could have used more fuel. I get this
feeling
that may be what is driving the "broken switch" now. Or that's
my
excuse anyway.

Well, almost off to WI..... (yikes!)

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:50:10 -0600, Prairie Roots

wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 18:32:26 -0800, Fred

wrote:

I still never did alter to the ONE POINT VALUE per day,
perferring
the
less anal/rigid/unforgiving daily range

Ah yes, the old Winning Points program in which you earned your
extra
points instead of being given them at the beginning of ea
chweek.Hm.
I've still got a spreadsheet from those days. I might try to dig
that
out. Oh wait. Over the weekend I had to reformat my hard drive.
That's
one thing I didn't back up.

and from what I remember the way the potatoes looked when cooked this way
are not altogether attractive, Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
...
I think it's the marshmallows that trigger the gag reflex. It's at the
top of a very short list of sweets that I can leave alone. If I want
something warm and laden with fat and sugar, I'd rather have pie or a
warm cinnamon roll.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:32:58 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I even like them fixed like that, Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
Me too. Just finished eating one with dinner. It's one of my favorite
foods. As a kid, though, I hated them. Mom always fixed them for
Thanksgiving and Christmas, using the canned variety and topping them
with butter, brown sugar, and marshmallows. Even the thought of that
old recipe makes me gag.
--
Linda P

On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:07:53 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I love sweet potato made just about any way, Lee
Fred wrote in message
.. .
It does allow individual flexibility and adaptions. Of course, this
concept only works if you know the older RANGE program. It worked
for
me quite well. (oh, baked sweet potato is wafting up this way....
(g))

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:18:22 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

that is interesting, I like the idea that everything is fixed and
that
I
am
reducing food to x amount of food, I had horrible times saving up
for
extras, now on flex I rarely use more than 1 or 2 points until the
last
day
of my week, that is just too cool how we each can adapt the
principles
of
the program to suit our individual needs, Lee
Fred wrote in message
news I'm sure you recreate it (G)

I know -ME-. I am really glad I joined when Winning Points or
whatever was the program. I would have been critically impaired
(G)
by being told I had to eat 24 points each and every day. Even
having
those flex points out there would not have been good enough. It
would
have been this rigid, inflexible objective each day. NO WAY.
That
is
just not my style. Saving "excess" points was more of my style.
Also, frankly, my exercise level does not lend itself to eating
all
activity points as/when earned. I still find that the next day I
need
more. Altho, I think that I did learn in Europe (well, after)
that
I
should have been eating more each day to counter the extreme
hiking
each day. I think I was TOO driven by "can't gain weight/have to
control input" when I could have used more fuel. I get this
feeling
that may be what is driving the "broken switch" now. Or that's
my
excuse anyway.

Well, almost off to WI..... (yikes!)

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:50:10 -0600, Prairie Roots

wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 18:32:26 -0800, Fred

wrote:

I still never did alter to the ONE POINT VALUE per day,
perferring
the
less anal/rigid/unforgiving daily range

Ah yes, the old Winning Points program in which you earned your
extra
points instead of being given them at the beginning of ea
chweek.Hm.
I've still got a spreadsheet from those days. I might try to dig
that
out. Oh wait. Over the weekend I had to reformat my hard drive.
That's
one thing I didn't back up.