RAFL week 9 - Prairie Roots

And so is food - and both are addictions for some folks. Clothes are
not my thing.

Toys - yes

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 06:49:24 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

and you know, clothing is a necessity, Lee
Fred wrote in message
news
Good point. I have to decide what to use my rei dividend on and the
sleeping bag was one good option but I don't seem to be inclined.

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:22:50 -0600, Prairie Roots
wrote:

If you "tried on" a sleeping bag, it should be categorized as
clothing. Neither toy nor what.

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:14:08 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Oh, when a choice of TOYS or other things, TOYS wins hands down. I
can't decide if a new sleeping bag is a toy or what (G)

Gas is the only way. (sitting by the gas fireplace just before
cooking dinner on gas)

I don't even have an ice maker and remove the cube tray entirely from
my fridge.

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:58:56 -0600, Joyce wrote:

That really is true. My daughter wants us to get a new fridge, and I
have a
feeling we aren't too far off. Our *new* one is about 13 years old,
one of the
brackets the door swings on has broken - but it still cools wonderfully
and makes
ice ... so I'm not biting. Of course, she wants one of the new ones
with the
computer right on the door. I have no idea why, other than she thinks
it looks
neat. Probably so she can keep up her instant messaging while gazing
endlessly at
the interior of the fridge (her current habit).

Ya know, I was raised on electric cooking - my mom loved it. When I
got married,
I had a heck of a time adjusting to the gas and swore that at the first
opportunity I would replace with an electric range. Now I am so used
to the gas I
would not consider changing. I think it's so much easier to control
the heat, and
the burners cool much quicker when turned off. Other than the option
of a totally
flat surface (we've talked about that before), nothing is going to get
me to
switch.

I'd still rather buy toys. G

Joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:34:38 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Well, for justification, I was told new refrigerators are much more
efficient than anything sold 10 or more years ago. Cooking with gas
is just entirely different than electricity that I cannot believe that
I waited so many years to return to it.

Just one man's INVALUABLE opinion (G)

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:25:21 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm the same way, can't justify replacing something that is still
working ... no
matter how outdated it is or how bad I really would like a more
current model.
Well, except for my computers. Those I have no trouble replacing
early. G
Guess we all have our priorites. G

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 06:13:56 -0600, "Miss Violette"

wrote:

Hey, My kitchen stuff is still green, I want to replace it and need
to but
can't while it is still working. Dish washer just got replaced
after three
years with out one. DH offered to buy me a new one but I couldn't
justify
it,so when he ran across one for $138.00 I was OK with that, the
refrigerator, sink and stove are still A G, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
news:44i450175na943pi8s3ho4n7ja4ir9jgsk@4ax. com...
LOL! And I had to fight the avacado greens ... stove, fridge,
double oven
AND
dishwasher (guess it blended in with the orange shag carpeting and
gold
drapes).
I was so dang glad to get rid of that stuff. Now all my *stuff*
is white
or black
- nice and neutral, easy to work around.

Joyce

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:55:26 -0800, Fred

wrote:

I made some comments about "vogue" when looking at stainless and
was
reminded of COPPERTONE - now, there was a blast from the past!

For years, this place had an almond fridge (mine from a prior
house),
a harvest gold, rollaway dishwasher (I inherited at the prior
house)
and a white stove (this house). Oh, yes, the sink was stainless.
Now
the sink ain't but everything else is! (G)

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:58:07 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I think it's just another one of those *personal taste* things.
Why did
the woman
who lived in THIS house before me, prefer dark panelled walls,
white
carpet (ah,
and orange in a few rooms) and draperies that ran wall to wall
(to cover
up 40"
windows)? That's why there are so many different products on
the
market - each of
us have different tastes.

Me? Add me to the *don't like, won't have* stainless steel
group. I've
had it,
found it a pain to keep clean and nice looking, it always looked
scratched and
nicked up. The only way to remove finger prints, water spots
and
streaking was to
constantly be wiping down with vinegar. I am not a constant
type of
cleaner. G

I love the ceramic, is so much easier (for me anyway). What you
think
are
scratches and stains, come out with elbow grease and ajax/comet
scouring
powder.
Any residual coffee staining, fill sink with water and bleach
solution
and let
soak for 30 minutes or so ... rinse and back to bright white.
After 16
years,
mine still is looking grand.

Then again, it might be one of those age issues. Styles tend to
go in
circles,
and I notice stainless is very vogue once again.

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:03:10 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

Forgive me, but why in the world do your friends not care for
stainless?

Julie, who can't fathom that idea.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
Thanks Lee. My sink choices are quickly narrowing to
stainless steel.
I've been listening to a couple of friends who don't care for
stainless, but I have SS now and don't seem to mind the
problems
they've listed. I'll be buying a new gas range/stovetop and
dishwasher, too, and am considering stainless steel finish.

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 23:27:49 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I am glad to see your attitude is so wonderful. Get
stainless steel
whatever configuration you get on the sink, I love stainless
steel,
Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded weight: 0.0 lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my weight from last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting the 70+ total
loss and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my motivation to keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part of me I
haven't heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should even further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I tried on a
jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and discovered that it
fit. I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got into a classic
fit size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also discovered that the
medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over to the
foundations
department for new undergarments and give my girls a new
lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to 38D.

My food was off this week. More importantly, I didn't
exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the impending
construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current dilemma is deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my construction
budget I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my bike. Later
today I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get cranky. The bus
strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than usual and getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient whose health
issues. A
major
project I've been involved with at work is nearing
completion and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of a breather from
WW this
week to marvel at my overall progress and to focus on a
few other
pressing issues. That I ended up maintaining is a wonder.

It's the best day of my life!
--
Linda P
week 54: 232/159.6/WW goal 145
RAFL week 9: 167/159.6/154
next mini-goals: 157 (75 lbs total loss); 155 (10 lbs to
WW goal);
154
( RAFL goal)
started WW 22-Feb-2003 | 10% target: 1-May-2003
5'4" | 50 | F




Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003




Linda P
232/158/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Yesterday they showed a series of appliances that were computerized.
A microwave that read bar codes and knew how to cook things and a
breadmaker that was hooked to a computer. And some other linked
stuff.

I have enough trouble keeping the keypad on the new oven clean -
forget a computer keyboard attached to a fridge! I don't do ice in
most drink. I drink soda straight from the cabinet at room
temperature. Same with fizzy bottled water. So ice is not a
necessity. My ice trays would evaporate anyway before being used.

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:46:50 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Nah, sleeping bag is a necessity for you, not a toy. Unless of course, you plan
on spending every evening in front of your fireplace, curled inside said sleeping
bag. G I'd love to have a fireplace, but as hard as we tried to find somewhere
to put one ... we just couldn't come up with a good spot. So ... no crackling
fires for me.

I have to have an icemaker, won't bend on that issue. No one else in the house
can empty trays into a bin, or refill them when they take the last cube (much like
lightbulbs burning out - I seem to be the only one who notices ... or changing
toilet paper rolls). I was plain tired of the rare occassions I wanted a soda or
tea and not having any ice available. Problem was easily solved by having an
icemaker in the fridge when we replaced it. No water dispensers or any other
gadgets though - I don't need them. But you have to admit ... a computer right on
the fridge door IS pretty neat. G I wonder if it's wireless. LOL

joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:14:08 -0800, Fred wrote:

Oh, when a choice of TOYS or other things, TOYS wins hands down. I
can't decide if a new sleeping bag is a toy or what (G)

Gas is the only way. (sitting by the gas fireplace just before
cooking dinner on gas)

I don't even have an ice maker and remove the cube tray entirely from
my fridge.

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:58:56 -0600, Joyce wrote:

That really is true. My daughter wants us to get a new fridge, and I have a
feeling we aren't too far off. Our *new* one is about 13 years old, one of the
brackets the door swings on has broken - but it still cools wonderfully and makes
ice ... so I'm not biting. Of course, she wants one of the new ones with the
computer right on the door. I have no idea why, other than she thinks it looks
neat. Probably so she can keep up her instant messaging while gazing endlessly at
the interior of the fridge (her current habit).

Ya know, I was raised on electric cooking - my mom loved it. When I got married,
I had a heck of a time adjusting to the gas and swore that at the first
opportunity I would replace with an electric range. Now I am so used to the gas I
would not consider changing. I think it's so much easier to control the heat, and
the burners cool much quicker when turned off. Other than the option of a totally
flat surface (we've talked about that before), nothing is going to get me to
switch.

I'd still rather buy toys. G

Joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:34:38 -0800, Fred wrote:

Well, for justification, I was told new refrigerators are much more
efficient than anything sold 10 or more years ago. Cooking with gas
is just entirely different than electricity that I cannot believe that
I waited so many years to return to it.

Just one man's INVALUABLE opinion (G)

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:25:21 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm the same way, can't justify replacing something that is still working ... no
matter how outdated it is or how bad I really would like a more current model.
Well, except for my computers. Those I have no trouble replacing early. G
Guess we all have our priorites. G

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 06:13:56 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

Hey, My kitchen stuff is still green, I want to replace it and need to but
can't while it is still working. Dish washer just got replaced after three
years with out one. DH offered to buy me a new one but I couldn't justify
it,so when he ran across one for $138.00 I was OK with that, the
refrigerator, sink and stove are still A G, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
news:44i450175na943pi8s3ho4n7ja4ir9jgsk@4ax. com...
LOL! And I had to fight the avacado greens ... stove, fridge, double oven
AND
dishwasher (guess it blended in with the orange shag carpeting and gold
drapes).
I was so dang glad to get rid of that stuff. Now all my *stuff* is white
or black
- nice and neutral, easy to work around.

Joyce

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:55:26 -0800, Fred
wrote:

I made some comments about "vogue" when looking at stainless and was
reminded of COPPERTONE - now, there was a blast from the past!

For years, this place had an almond fridge (mine from a prior house),
a harvest gold, rollaway dishwasher (I inherited at the prior house)
and a white stove (this house). Oh, yes, the sink was stainless. Now
the sink ain't but everything else is! (G)

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:58:07 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I think it's just another one of those *personal taste* things. Why did
the woman
who lived in THIS house before me, prefer dark panelled walls, white
carpet (ah,
and orange in a few rooms) and draperies that ran wall to wall (to cover
up 40"
windows)? That's why there are so many different products on the
market - each of
us have different tastes.

Me? Add me to the *don't like, won't have* stainless steel group. I've
had it,
found it a pain to keep clean and nice looking, it always looked
scratched and
nicked up. The only way to remove finger prints, water spots and
streaking was to
constantly be wiping down with vinegar. I am not a constant type of
cleaner. G

I love the ceramic, is so much easier (for me anyway). What you think
are
scratches and stains, come out with elbow grease and ajax/comet scouring
powder.
Any residual coffee staining, fill sink with water and bleach solution
and let
soak for 30 minutes or so ... rinse and back to bright white. After 16
years,
mine still is looking grand.

Then again, it might be one of those age issues. Styles tend to go in
circles,
and I notice stainless is very vogue once again.

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:03:10 -0600, "skiur" wrote:

Forgive me, but why in the world do your friends not care for
stainless?

Julie, who can't fathom that idea.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
Thanks Lee. My sink choices are quickly narrowing to stainless steel.
I've been listening to a couple of friends who don't care for
stainless, but I have SS now and don't seem to mind the problems
they've listed. I'll be buying a new gas range/stovetop and
dishwasher, too, and am considering stainless steel finish.

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 23:27:49 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I am glad to see your attitude is so wonderful. Get stainless steel
whatever configuration you get on the sink, I love stainless steel,
Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded weight: 0.0 lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my weight from last week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting the 70+ total loss and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my motivation to keep going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part of me I haven't heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should even further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I tried on a jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and discovered that it fit. I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got into a classic fit size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also discovered that the medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over to the foundations
department for new undergarments and give my girls a new lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to 38D.

My food was off this week. More importantly, I didn't exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the impending construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current dilemma is deciding what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my construction budget I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my bike. Later today I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get cranky. The bus strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than usual and getting home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient whose health issues. A
major
project I've been involved with at work is nearing completion and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of a breather from WW this
week to marvel at my overall progress and to focus on a few other
pressing issues. That I ended up maintaining is a wonder.

It's the best day of my life!
--
Linda P
week 54: 232/159.6/WW goal 145
RAFL week 9: 167/159.6/154
next mini-goals: 157 (75 lbs total loss); 155 (10 lbs to WW goal);
154
( RAFL goal)
started WW 22-Feb-2003 | 10% target: 1-May-2003
5'4" | 50 | F




Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

I'm not a big golf watcher, but a dorm room with an ocean view-WOW. It
makes me think of vacation, not college.

Julie


"Deb in Northern California" wrote in message
...
Sherry loves San Francisco, she has very eclectic tastes and likes the
different people there. Nothing like here which is either migrant farm
worker families, uppity snobby people and farmers. We live in an area
that
is surrounded by farming communities with a city in the middle. Nothing
like the San Francisco Bay Area, where I grew up which is city upon city
with no breaks between them. She wants to be where there is a good music
scene and also near the water. She is so into her music, that she really
needs to be near a large metropolitan area in order to learn the industry
where the industry is.

Julie, my oldest wanted to be near the beach/ocean, so she opted for a
smaller town but right on the beach. She is not too happy with the fog
and
dampness most days, but that is typical of the Monterey area, where she
attends school. Ever watch the Pebble Beach golf tournament? Well she is
about 10-15 minutes away from there. Last year her dorm room even had an
ocean view.

We don't have the humidity the way everyone else does, it is more like
desert heat here, so 90s are not that bad. When we are over 105 then it
is
HOT to me. Along with the heat here comes the stench of the dairies, we
have a number of dairies not too far from us and when the warm weather
hits,
the smell is awful and hopefully you are in the opposite direction of the
wind that day.

Debbie



"Joyce" wrote in message
...
I think we all get accustomed to the environment we live in. 40's are
cool in
your neck of the woods ... here the opinion varies on the season. 40's
are cool
when moving into fall, yet those same 40's are a heat wave when moving
out
of the
winter and into spring. Us midwesterner's are a fickle lot. G I do
love those
70's and 80's though, but would gladly take a pass on the humidity that
we
tend to
get along with the higher temps. And I don't like the 90/100's at all!

Cassie had talked about a school in Frisco, don't remember which or what
one, or
what it was for - I pretty much just told her it wasn't going to happen.
I know
my girl, the last thing I need is her being across country crying that
she
is
homesick (this is the girl that couldn't stay at summer camp for more
than
a few
days). We're hoping for something a bit more local ... far enough to be
away from
home, yet close enough to come back if and when necessary. Frisco
pretty
much
leaves her the option of lengthy holiday breaks only. She is currently
a
junior,
so still has a full year to make up her mind. Plenty of time.

I laugh at your daughter wanting to get out of your SMALL town ... 250k
doesn't
sound small at all to me. Ours is about 45,000, the highschool contains
the exact
same kids that went to middle school together ... no additional schools
funnelling
into it, no new kids other than transfers. But Cassie is also drawn
towards the
city (Chicago) ... so she says anyway. G

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:57:10 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

Nah, when it is in the 40s I wear a jacket, otherwise it is a light
sweater
most of the time or just a sweatshirt. To me it is cold when it is in
the
60s. I love the temps now, high 70s-low 80s are ideal to me, but they
wont
last long. We will be 90-100+ soon.

Sherry is actually considering a school in the So Cal area that
specializes
in the industry she wants, too bad too as there is a private school
here
in
town with the same program, but she wants out of the small (250k) town
we
are in and get into a big city like Los Angeles, San Diego or San
Francisco.
Her second choice is San Francisco State, so who knows, thank goodness
she
is a high school sophomore at the moment, so she has a bit of time to
wait
for school. We will most likely check out Cal State Northridge this
summer
when we take a vacation to the Los Angeles area. Will be a first time
vacationing in that area and not getting away to a smaller locale, but
she
wants to see the Museum of Tolerance in the L.A. area, so that is where
we
are heading. She has such a huge interest in the Holocaust and that is
what
that museum is dedicated to.


Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
LOL! And you not dealing with a sweatshirt is when the temps are
what
...
low
60's? Today it was about 45, heat wave in my mind. Running around
in
shirtsleeves like it was mid summer. G

I think the only reason our paper carried the story of the stores
selling
is
because Marshall Field's has been a long time chicago store.
Selling
it
off is
another landmark disappearing. My understanding is that they will
only
be
keeping
the Target chain, the rest will be dissolved or sold. No Federated
or
May's here
either, will be interesting to see if this means that both of us will
see
these
chains appear in the future? Or will we only have Target left?

Ok, maybe the stuff at Hot Topic is the pleather and vinyl and not
leather
.. I
tend to just lump it all in the same category. G Not something any
of
the
family members go for, so we don't give it a second look and do not
check
out the
tags. LOL Cass doesn't buy too much at the concerts, finds the items
way
too
expensive and standing in line a pain in the neck. My son just went
to
a
concert
a few weeks ago, had asked if I wanted a t'shirt (he is into country
like
his mama
... I taught the boy well). I found the tour t'shirt at a flea
market,
for $3 -
so much cheaper than what was offered at the concert ... and it was
the
current
one!

What a neat career for you daughter to get into. Cassie is leaing in
a
few
directions at the moment - all media based but I think more in the
journalism end.
She has thought about marketing for radio/music, then swings into
photographic
journalism, then thought she would really enjoy getting into music
based
magazine
stuff. Next week will be her first visit to a college, which I am a
bit
fearful
on prices since it is one of the artsy type chicago schools. But it
comes
with a
fantastic reputation and one of the best journalism programs around.
So
we'll
see.

Joyce

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:01:37 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

You are so right about the warmer clothes, I think I have had my
heavy
wool
coat on maybe six times all winter. Normally a sweatshirt will do
unless
it
is pouring down rain, and then you need the umbrella,but most times,
I
don't
even bother with a jacket or umbrella, as I can't be bothered with
them
and
don't mind the little bit of rain I get on me in the process. I
typically
just don't go out when it is really bad weather (that is for here at
least).

Yes, Mervyns, Marshall Fields and Target are all owned by the same
company.
Had not heard about them selling off any of the stores. We don't
have
Federated or Mays out here, so maybe it is just the Midwest stores,
of
course, we don't have Marshall Fields out here either.

Hot Topic is a Goth store, no leather in ours though, just pleather
and
vinyl. They carry Dickies in there too, so we have bought them when
they
are on the clearance racks. They do have a large variety of
band/music
t's,
by Sherry typically gets her music t's when she attends a concert.
She
is a
huge music fan and goes to concerts/shows quite often. She is even
working
her schooling towards going into the music business, hopefully
managing
bands, etc. She already does marketing and things with a local band
here
in
town.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
If I remember correctly, Mervyn's is a division of Marshall Fields
...
as
is
Target. Yup - just dug the newspaper article out of the *library*
(hub
constantly
drags them into the potty - lol). Currently they are selling off
the
Field's end
of the stores and *lower -end Mervyn's chain* (quoted from the
newspaper)
and
hoping Federated or May's will buy them out. We don't have the
Mervyn's
in my
area. I love Target, but stay far away from their clothing - have
not
had
much
luck in the quality. I swear, every shirt I have ever purchased
from
them
has
shrunk to half its size in the first washing and that was when I
would
line dry my
clothing. But you can't beat their household items. Around here
American
Eagle
is pretty non-trendy type items, much simpler styling by
standards,
less
glitz and
fuss which is why I think my daughter prefers it. Well, as well
as
being
able to
walk in and find things small enough. g I hate the prices
though,
you
are only
paying for the name. The shoes are odd though. Around here they
are
all
just
unisex - buy smaller size if you are a female because they are
sized
for
men ...
at least in the converse styles. I just ran into the same thing
with
the
pair of
Adidas she bought from Journeys. They put the mens stuff in
smaller
sizes, in the
womens section. g But these are what are considered to be *in
style*
with all
the kids. Hot Topic is considered more of a *goth* store in our
area
...
tons of
black, leather and chain type attire. Daughter does wander in on
rare
occassions,
but only buys t's - says they have great music/band t's.

My son found the Dickie's brand carried in PacSun when he was
shopping
for
work
clothes a few weeks ago, I also believe daughter bought a
sweatshirt
at
Anchor
Blue (which she doesn't like shopping at very often) - so
evidentally
has
become a
much more popular item with the kids again. We don't have any
work
type
stores
nearby, have to drive 45 minutes to the nearest one (Farm and
Fleet
...
which I
love). Probably because I am stuck in yuppie heaven (or hell,
depending
on how
you view things - lol). But Farm and Fleet is fantastic, prices
are
great
and
always a fun place to go. Carhart seems to be the current craze
(based
on
sonny
boy talking his dad into buying me a new jacket for Christmas).
That
also
might
be due to the weather we endure - you don't have much need for the
heavier
duty/warmer clothing in your neck of the woods. G

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:10:52 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

The American Eagle, Express, etc, are the stores she stays away
from.
We
rarely step into K-Mart or Wal-Mart. I hate that they have zero
customer
service. I typically shop Target instead for the things that
K-Mart
or
Wal-Mart carry. We have a store called Mervyn's here that sells
the
jeans
she likes on sale for about $22 that is very reasonable. The
Dickies
that
she wears, are the men's, and they typically come from Work
World.
The
converse shoes are the basic black ones, nothing special about it
and
they
did come from Journey's, but we had to special order them, since
she
wears
the boys/men's styles rather than the girls styles. Of any store
that
she
shops at that would be considered trendy it would be Hot Topic.
But
then
again, those are just t's and a few other tops she buys in there.
She
is
such a down to earth girl. Most of the stuff she wears, she
prefers
to
buy
in the men's/boys department and those are cheaper too.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Sounds to me like your store is one of the much smaller ones.
I
have 4
stores in
nearby towns - one is a very small store, one is extremely
large
...
other
two are
somewhere in between. The women's section in the one nearest
me
is
quite
large
... well, larger than 3 racks but smaller than a specialty
shop.
g
I
do
admit
though, that I never cared for their selection of items in the
larger
sizes ...
then again, I didn't care for the items in the specialized
women's
stores
either.
I'm very picky. G

Your non-trendy daughter would have no problem shopping in the
Kohl's
store near
me ... they carry the lowrise levi's (carry tons of levi's) and
dickie
sweats.
What's rather odd is that around here, Dickie's is considered a
more
trendy brand
as well as those high top converse's (daughter just looked at a
pair
at
Journeys
but took a pass on them) ... so maybe by CA standards she is
not
trendy,
yet IL
standards she is??? g I have found Kohl's to have the best
prices
on
the levi
jeans ... again, when they are on sale. I don't recall ever
spending
more
than
$20/pair, which is cheaper than anywhere else (they usually run
around
$30-$40
depending on style - low rise and stretch are at the top price
end).
Now
my
youngest daughter will not buy clothing at Kohl's, she is more
of
a
brand
snob in
my opinion ... American Eagle, Express, etc.

I also lean towards the very basic type stylings ... jeans,
t's,
polo's,
simple
sweaters - so is very easy to catch sales. I'm not into
*brands*,
the
house
brands are just fine by me. I picked up several polo's during
last
years
clearance for $3/each - sweaters at the beginning of the season
for
around
$12. I
can't touch those prices elsewhere (other than K-mart/Wal-mart
which
fall
apart on
me after a few washings).

I guess it's just like everywhere else. You have to know your
pricing
and
your
merchandise. I stay away from the high end designs.

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:23:24 -0800, "Deb in Northern
California"
wrote:

At this point, I am still in the larger sizes and their larger
sized
women's
department had a lot to be desired, I think they had may 3
racks
total
of
larger size clothes, so most likely I will not be back there
for
a
while.
The younger/junior sized things that my daughter could fit in
to
she
would
not be caught dead in, she is so not into the fashion trends.
Give
her a
pair of jeans (Levi's ultra-low rise with stretch size 5),a
T-shirt
and
her
Dickies hooded sweatshirt along with her high top Converse
shoes
and
she
is
a happy camper. She is so simple, and not trendy at all. It
is
nice
to
shop for her and she is not a clothes horse either so that is
nice
too.
On
the other hand her older sister (20 years old) loves to shop
and
could
break
me, but since she has to spend her own money on clothes now,
she
thinks
twice before buying something.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message

...
Give Kohls time to get going. Ours has the greatest
clearance
racks.
Stuff
70% off. Now affordable. I found a cute long dressy skirt
there
the
other
night for $5. It might be a tad too big by the time I plan
to
wear
it
in
May
but it will be worth taking it in at the waist for the
luncheon.

"Deb in Northern California" wrote in
message
news We had a Kohl's open in our town last week. This was the
first
wave
of
stores to open in Nor Cal. I was very disappointed in the
store
and
the
quality of merchandise and the prices were on the high
side
as
far
as
I
was
concerned. But that is just my observation of going there
last
night
and
looking for a strapless bra for my youngest daughter.
$30+
for
a
bra
that
hold barely anything. She is a 34A.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Yup, definitely younger category ... you are the same
age
as
our
oldest
girl
(she'll be 30 in June). She also loves Gap, Banana
Republic,
Eddie
Bauer,
Express, etc. To me, the *normal* prices at all these
stores
are
too
expensive.
Again, probably an age thing. What I think is
expensive,
she
thinks
is
reasonable. G I'm more of a Kohl's/Penney's type
shopper.
G

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:16:46 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

I'll be thirty this year, so I guess I qualify in the
younger
category.
I'm
also all of 5 ft 3 in and my torso seems to be
proportioned--I
wouldn't
know
since it's been submerged under the weight for so long.

It's certainly clearance time. We'll be going to
Banana
Republic
for
dh
soon...I have a feeling sweaters will be inexpensive
soon.
Last
year
we
got
him cashmere/silk blends for $7/ea.

Julie, who loves to get great bargains on clothing.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I did buy one pair of Gap jeans on clearance, was a
great
deal
for
$10.
You will
get into that XL shirt. If you're younger, you
probably
don't
mind
those
shorter
styles anyway. My problem is that all my height is
from
the
waist
up -
so
shirts
that are cut to hit at the waist normally, will hit
me
even
higher
up.
Not a
pretty picture on this old lady. G I did find some
terrific
buys
after
Christmas ... mens cotton sweaters, marked down to
$6.
These
were
cut
so
short, I
can't imagine any man wearing them. But they fit me
perfectly,
and
are
just plain
unisex styling. Guess it's time once again to check
out
the
clearance
racks. I
found out today that what few hooded sweatshirts I
have,
are
all
size
L
(mens) ...
much too big. This should be the right time to pick
stuff
up
cheaply.

Joyce

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:44:48 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

No, but on clearance they are very attractive. I
have
a
shirt
from
the
Gap
that I bought specifically as a NSV clothing shirt.
I
paid
$1.99
for
it.
I
do hope to get into it at some point, it's an XL.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I do have two pairs of jeans from the gap, but
they
don't
seem
to
fit
as
well as
these others I have found. They fit *ok* and are
acceptable
...
except
for the
price. G Shirts at the Gap are definitely made
for
younger
females,
those with
little to no chest factor. G Even my 105 pound
daughter
has
to
take
a
medium
there. They seem to be cut small and short ...
not
good
options
for
women
with
longer body lengths.

Joyce

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:01:04 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Have you been to the Gap? I know they are more
expensive,
but
if
they
fit
right....

"Joyce" wrote in message

.. .
I tend to have the same thing, hard to stay
focused
100%
of
the
time
when
everyone
is fussing over us. I find I kind of relax
just
a
little
too
much.
G
But,
that's ok too - sometimes you just have to
relax,
as
long
as
we
don't
make
it a
forever thing.

I have a tough time with jeans too, had someone
the
other
day
tell
me
to
try the
junior sizing (yeah, right, sure - not gonna
happen
unless
I
want
to
totally
humiliate myself). Relaxed fit is too big in
the
legs,
hips
and
thighs -
look
like clown pants on me. I have a pair of
carpenter
pants
on
today,
size 6
and
very baggy. I could take a 4 in these and
probably
still
have
a
bit
of
room to
spare - they don't come in 4's. In lower rise
jeans
I
seem
to
need
a
smaller size
than in regular cut higher waist - the waist is
too
snug
for
my
liking
and
I do
like to be able to breath. I haven't tried the
Gloria
Vanderbilt
jeans,
always
made the assumption that those *designer* names
wouldn't
work
for
me -
maybe I
will give them a try as I saw some cute capri's
in a
sales
ad
this
week.
I found
a new one that does fit me well though, only
ones
in
the
Lee
brand
that
aren't
baggy in the legs ... they have a *one true
fit*
or
something
like
that -
fits me
very nicely ... everywhere. Same with the Levi
Nouveau
but I
forget
which
number
(why do they assign the styles numbers???).
The
levi's
have
a
little
stretch to
them, great in the waist but tend to get a tad
baggy
in
the
seat
after
a
few
hours. Oh well, I like the baggy better than
the
constant
snug
I
used
to
deal
with. g Shirts are an entirely different
story
with
me -
range
anywhere
from a
small to a large, depending on the store and
brand.
I
have
no
cl
ue.

Joyce

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:13:37 -0600, Prairie
Roots

wrote:

Thanks Joyce. I got a lot of compliments and
attention
at
work
this
week regarding my weight loss, people saying
things
about
how
confident I appear, that I have a more
positive
attitude,
and
just
plain look great. I think my head got a little
puffed
up
from
all
the
compliments and that's what started all the
other
crazy
thinking.

It's hard to find jeans that fit me. The
ubiquitous
relaxed
fit
jeans
don't work for me; I carry my weight in my
tummy,
not
my
hips
and
thighs. Of all the brands I've tried, Gloria
Vanderbilt
classic
fit
jeans fit me best. I too like a little stretch
in
my
jeans,
makes
bending over not just a breathtaking
experience.
LOL
But
couldn't
find
any this shopping trip and the non-stretch
jeans
don't
cut
off
my
oxygen supply.

Thanks again for your encouragement.

Linda P

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:58:12 -0600, Joyce

wrote:

Hey, taking a week of following the program
and
maintaining
is
fantastic! Call it
practice for the future, you've proved to
yourself
that
it
can
be
done.
Congrats
on holding firm this week.

Wish I could help you with the sink decision
...
my
decisions
are
always
to go on
the cheap side of things. G I think both
times
we've
replaced
the
sink, we
ended up at Builders Square (or similar home
improvement
store)
and
looking at
their discards (something that someone else
ordered
and
couldn't/wouldn't use for
one reason or another). Many times they may
have
had
a
little
chip
or
scratch in
the underside - nothing noticeable or
functionable -
but
always
at
a
great
reduction and usable. Might be something to
think
about
or
look
into.

What a great NSV, fitting easily into those
size
10
jeans,
smaller
tops
and much
smaller undergarments. I love the clothing
victories
(yet
still
hate
to
shop).
Where did you ever find jeans without stretch
though?
I
swear
that
seems to be
all that is being made these days! BUT ...
don't
write
them
off
dear.
They are
wonderfully comfortable, and I've found
rather
flattering.
They
hug
ya
in all
those places we didn't use to like being
hugged.
G

Fight back with those other personalities of
yours
that
are
currently
letting
themselves be heard. Do not let them put a
damper
on
your
motivation
or
spirit.
You know why you should go further, just have
to
make
sure
you
are
louder than
those other voices. C'mon Linda (wow, was
THAT
hard
for
me
to
say),
you
can do
it!

Joyce



On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:54:10 -0600, Prairie
Roots

wrote:

My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded weight:
0.0
lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my
weight
from
last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting
the
70+
total
loss
and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my
motivation
to
keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part
of
me
I
haven't
heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should
even
further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I
tried
on
a
jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and
discovered
that
it
fit.
I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got
into
a
classic
fit
size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also
discovered
that
the
medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over to
the
foundations
department for new undergarments and give my
girls a
new
lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to
38D.

My food was off this week. More importantly,
I
didn't
exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the
impending
construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current
dilemma
is
deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my
construction
budget
I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my
bike.
Later
today
I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get
cranky.
The
bus
strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than
usual
and
getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient
whose
health
issues.
A
major
project I've been involved with at work is
nearing
completion
and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of a
breather
from
WW
this
week to marvel at my overall progress and to
focus
on a
few
other
pressing issues. That I ended up maintaining
is a
wonder.

It's the best day of my life!

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Two years ago, I was at the National Home Builder's show in Atlanta and they
had the wireless house (or some other name equivalent) and you would not
believe what they had in the automated house! Everything from the music to
the lights were controlled by wireless measures. There was a pc that ran
the house that could be put anywhere...I think the fridge was an option as a
surface.

It even came with a unit that did dry cleaning!

Julie

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Nah, sleeping bag is a necessity for you, not a toy. Unless of course,
you plan
on spending every evening in front of your fireplace, curled inside said
sleeping
bag. G I'd love to have a fireplace, but as hard as we tried to find
somewhere
to put one ... we just couldn't come up with a good spot. So ... no
crackling
fires for me.

I have to have an icemaker, won't bend on that issue. No one else in the
house
can empty trays into a bin, or refill them when they take the last cube
(much like
lightbulbs burning out - I seem to be the only one who notices ... or
changing
toilet paper rolls). I was plain tired of the rare occassions I wanted a
soda or
tea and not having any ice available. Problem was easily solved by having
an
icemaker in the fridge when we replaced it. No water dispensers or any
other
gadgets though - I don't need them. But you have to admit ... a computer
right on
the fridge door IS pretty neat. G I wonder if it's wireless. LOL

joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:14:08 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Oh, when a choice of TOYS or other things, TOYS wins hands down. I
can't decide if a new sleeping bag is a toy or what (G)

Gas is the only way. (sitting by the gas fireplace just before
cooking dinner on gas)

I don't even have an ice maker and remove the cube tray entirely from
my fridge.

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:58:56 -0600, Joyce wrote:

That really is true. My daughter wants us to get a new fridge, and I
have a
feeling we aren't too far off. Our *new* one is about 13 years old, one
of the
brackets the door swings on has broken - but it still cools wonderfully
and makes
ice ... so I'm not biting. Of course, she wants one of the new ones
with the
computer right on the door. I have no idea why, other than she thinks
it looks
neat. Probably so she can keep up her instant messaging while gazing
endlessly at
the interior of the fridge (her current habit).

Ya know, I was raised on electric cooking - my mom loved it. When I got
married,
I had a heck of a time adjusting to the gas and swore that at the first
opportunity I would replace with an electric range. Now I am so used to
the gas I
would not consider changing. I think it's so much easier to control the
heat, and
the burners cool much quicker when turned off. Other than the option of
a totally
flat surface (we've talked about that before), nothing is going to get
me to
switch.

I'd still rather buy toys. G

Joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:34:38 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Well, for justification, I was told new refrigerators are much more
efficient than anything sold 10 or more years ago. Cooking with gas
is just entirely different than electricity that I cannot believe that
I waited so many years to return to it.

Just one man's INVALUABLE opinion (G)

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:25:21 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm the same way, can't justify replacing something that is still
working ... no
matter how outdated it is or how bad I really would like a more
current model.
Well, except for my computers. Those I have no trouble replacing
early. G
Guess we all have our priorites. G

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 06:13:56 -0600, "Miss Violette"

wrote:

Hey, My kitchen stuff is still green, I want to replace it and need
to but
can't while it is still working. Dish washer just got replaced after
three
years with out one. DH offered to buy me a new one but I couldn't
justify
it,so when he ran across one for $138.00 I was OK with that, the
refrigerator, sink and stove are still A G, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
om...
LOL! And I had to fight the avacado greens ... stove, fridge,
double oven
AND
dishwasher (guess it blended in with the orange shag carpeting and
gold
drapes).
I was so dang glad to get rid of that stuff. Now all my *stuff* is
white
or black
- nice and neutral, easy to work around.

Joyce

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:55:26 -0800, Fred

wrote:

I made some comments about "vogue" when looking at stainless and
was
reminded of COPPERTONE - now, there was a blast from the past!

For years, this place had an almond fridge (mine from a prior
house),
a harvest gold, rollaway dishwasher (I inherited at the prior
house)
and a white stove (this house). Oh, yes, the sink was stainless.
Now
the sink ain't but everything else is! (G)

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:58:07 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I think it's just another one of those *personal taste* things.
Why did
the woman
who lived in THIS house before me, prefer dark panelled walls,
white
carpet (ah,
and orange in a few rooms) and draperies that ran wall to wall
(to cover
up 40"
windows)? That's why there are so many different products on the
market - each of
us have different tastes.

Me? Add me to the *don't like, won't have* stainless steel
group. I've
had it,
found it a pain to keep clean and nice looking, it always looked
scratched and
nicked up. The only way to remove finger prints, water spots and
streaking was to
constantly be wiping down with vinegar. I am not a constant type
of
cleaner. G

I love the ceramic, is so much easier (for me anyway). What you
think
are
scratches and stains, come out with elbow grease and ajax/comet
scouring
powder.
Any residual coffee staining, fill sink with water and bleach
solution
and let
soak for 30 minutes or so ... rinse and back to bright white.
After 16
years,
mine still is looking grand.

Then again, it might be one of those age issues. Styles tend to
go in
circles,
and I notice stainless is very vogue once again.

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:03:10 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

Forgive me, but why in the world do your friends not care for
stainless?

Julie, who can't fathom that idea.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
Thanks Lee. My sink choices are quickly narrowing to stainless
steel.
I've been listening to a couple of friends who don't care for
stainless, but I have SS now and don't seem to mind the
problems
they've listed. I'll be buying a new gas range/stovetop and
dishwasher, too, and am considering stainless steel finish.

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 23:27:49 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I am glad to see your attitude is so wonderful. Get
stainless steel
whatever configuration you get on the sink, I love stainless
steel,
Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded weight: 0.0 lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my weight from last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting the 70+ total
loss and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my motivation to keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part of me I haven't
heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should even further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I tried on a
jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and discovered that it
fit. I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got into a classic fit
size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also discovered that the
medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over to the
foundations
department for new undergarments and give my girls a new
lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to 38D.

My food was off this week. More importantly, I didn't
exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the impending
construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current dilemma is deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my construction
budget I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my bike. Later today
I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get cranky. The bus
strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than usual and getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient whose health
issues. A
major
project I've been involved with at work is nearing
completion and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of a breather from
WW this
week to marvel at my overall progress and to focus on a few
other
pressing issues. That I ended up maintaining is a wonder.

It's the best day of my life!
--
Linda P
week 54: 232/159.6/WW goal 145
RAFL week 9: 167/159.6/154
next mini-goals: 157 (75 lbs total loss); 155 (10 lbs to WW
goal);
154
( RAFL goal)
started WW 22-Feb-2003 | 10% target: 1-May-2003
5'4" | 50 | F




Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

This year it is $65/couple and they are complaining that they raised the
price. Last year it was $60/couple. Sherry's dress last year was a
whopping $12.00 (yes twelve dollars), we found it at Ross Dress for Less and
it was on clearance besides. She is lucky in that she is so tiny, just
about anything would look cute on her. She ended up splitting the ticket
with the young man she went with, so I think the whole night was less than
$100 including taking photos and even though she went to dinner, she did not
want to eat, so no expense there either. I was the limo driver, as I was a
chaperone for the dance. Because her high school is only about 200
students, they open it up to all students, so that they can actually have a
prom. The past two years they have had it on the riverboat
http://www.spiritofsacramento.com/fleet/mckinley.htm it was nice and
contained so chaperoning was easy, as there was no getting on and off the
boat. I will say though, for early May it was darned cold at night on the
river, it was breezy and in the 50s, so it was chilly for here. This year
they are holding it at a hall in the next town. This senior class wanted
something that no other class had ever done since this is the first class to
graduate that have been there their entire high school career. The school
only opened 4 years ago.

Sherry's dress this year was $50, but like I said her dad and step mom
bought it and I got her shoes on clearance for $15 and they match perfectly.
She has a red dress and these are red shoes. She is riding in a limo this
year, but someone else is renting it and asked her to go along with them. I
most likely will be chaperoning again, but I will drive my own car to the
hall this time. The thing is the boy that she went with last year and is
going with this year, that is the only times, they have been out together.
His parents have a strange philosophy with dating outside your religion and
well Sherry is not his religion. So he just hides the fact that Sherry and
him have been a "couple" for a year now.

Debbie




"Joyce" wrote in message
...
One is too old for prom. He avoided it like the plague in highschool and
has no
intention of participating now. He is one of those *dances are not for
me* type
guys ... tried it once, drove him nuts. LOL My daughter has talked about
going,
but also really has little interest. It is so darned expensive around
here, maybe
it's the same in all areas. Tickets run over $100/couple, attire is
similar
priced if not higher ... then there is the after prom activity, dinner,
and day
after. And of course you can't drive, you MUST hire a limo to cart you
around. I
swear it's like a dang wedding. Daughter was going to go with her best
friend (he
is openly gay, a really sweet kid) but now they are thinking of waiting
until
their senior year. I don't push, I was the same way - hated the dances,
it just
wasn't *me*. My group used to skip the expense and hassle of the dance
itself,
and just hit the picnic the next day. We survived, we were happy, didn't
feel
like we missed out on anything.

Joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:16:37 -0600, "skiur" wrote:

I dunno Joyce, it's prom season around the corner? You *do* have
teens...

I love knowing who is owned by which company, etc. It's my hobby.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Well, I don't think I have any urgent need for formalwear or bridal
apparel. G
It appears we only have the higher end stores in our area then, I'm
assuming they
must also have lower end retail stores? I'm thinking there may be a
bloomingdales
in Oakbrook .. or maybe it was just talk of one at some time - don't
remember.
Lord and Taylor's is in Fox Valley. None of them hold any interest for
me, too
uppity. G

Thanks for the info. I do find it very interesting, who owns what.

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:13:00 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

Joyce,

I just did a search on the May's and Federated. Lord & Taylor's is a
May's
dept store as was Filene's Basement while here. They also recently
bought
Gingiss formalwear and own David's Bridal.

Macy's is Federated as is Bloomingdale's and I believe there is a
Bloomie's
in the city.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
LOL! And you not dealing with a sweatshirt is when the temps are
what
...
low
60's? Today it was about 45, heat wave in my mind. Running around
in
shirtsleeves like it was mid summer. G

I think the only reason our paper carried the story of the stores
selling
is
because Marshall Field's has been a long time chicago store.
Selling
it
off is
another landmark disappearing. My understanding is that they will
only
be
keeping
the Target chain, the rest will be dissolved or sold. No Federated
or
May's here
either, will be interesting to see if this means that both of us
will
see
these
chains appear in the future? Or will we only have Target left?

Ok, maybe the stuff at Hot Topic is the pleather and vinyl and not
leather
.. I
tend to just lump it all in the same category. G Not something
any
of
the
family members go for, so we don't give it a second look and do not
check
out the
tags. LOL Cass doesn't buy too much at the concerts, finds the
items
way
too
expensive and standing in line a pain in the neck. My son just went
to
a
concert
a few weeks ago, had asked if I wanted a t'shirt (he is into country
like
his mama
... I taught the boy well). I found the tour t'shirt at a flea
market,
for $3 -
so much cheaper than what was offered at the concert ... and it was
the
current
one!

What a neat career for you daughter to get into. Cassie is leaing
in a
few
directions at the moment - all media based but I think more in the
journalism end.
She has thought about marketing for radio/music, then swings into
photographic
journalism, then thought she would really enjoy getting into music
based
magazine
stuff. Next week will be her first visit to a college, which I am a
bit
fearful
on prices since it is one of the artsy type chicago schools. But it
comes
with a
fantastic reputation and one of the best journalism programs around.
So
we'll
see.

Joyce

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:01:37 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

You are so right about the warmer clothes, I think I have had my
heavy
wool
coat on maybe six times all winter. Normally a sweatshirt will do
unless
it
is pouring down rain, and then you need the umbrella,but most
times, I
don't
even bother with a jacket or umbrella, as I can't be bothered with
them
and
don't mind the little bit of rain I get on me in the process. I
typically
just don't go out when it is really bad weather (that is for here
at
least).

Yes, Mervyns, Marshall Fields and Target are all owned by the same
company.
Had not heard about them selling off any of the stores. We don't
have
Federated or Mays out here, so maybe it is just the Midwest stores,
of
course, we don't have Marshall Fields out here either.

Hot Topic is a Goth store, no leather in ours though, just pleather
and
vinyl. They carry Dickies in there too, so we have bought them
when
they
are on the clearance racks. They do have a large variety of
band/music
t's,
by Sherry typically gets her music t's when she attends a concert.
She
is a
huge music fan and goes to concerts/shows quite often. She is even
working
her schooling towards going into the music business, hopefully
managing
bands, etc. She already does marketing and things with a local
band
here
in
town.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
If I remember correctly, Mervyn's is a division of Marshall
Fields
...
as
is
Target. Yup - just dug the newspaper article out of the
*library*
(hub
constantly
drags them into the potty - lol). Currently they are selling off
the
Field's end
of the stores and *lower -end Mervyn's chain* (quoted from the
newspaper)
and
hoping Federated or May's will buy them out. We don't have the
Mervyn's
in my
area. I love Target, but stay far away from their clothing -
have
not
had
much
luck in the quality. I swear, every shirt I have ever purchased
from
them
has
shrunk to half its size in the first washing and that was when I
would
line dry my
clothing. But you can't beat their household items. Around here
American
Eagle
is pretty non-trendy type items, much simpler styling by
standards,
less
glitz and
fuss which is why I think my daughter prefers it. Well, as well
as
being
able to
walk in and find things small enough. g I hate the prices
though,
you
are only
paying for the name. The shoes are odd though. Around here they
are
all
just
unisex - buy smaller size if you are a female because they are
sized
for
men ...
at least in the converse styles. I just ran into the same thing
with
the
pair of
Adidas she bought from Journeys. They put the mens stuff in
smaller
sizes, in the
womens section. g But these are what are considered to be *in
style*
with all
the kids. Hot Topic is considered more of a *goth* store in our
area
...
tons of
black, leather and chain type attire. Daughter does wander in on
rare
occassions,
but only buys t's - says they have great music/band t's.

My son found the Dickie's brand carried in PacSun when he was
shopping
for
work
clothes a few weeks ago, I also believe daughter bought a
sweatshirt
at
Anchor
Blue (which she doesn't like shopping at very often) - so
evidentally
has
become a
much more popular item with the kids again. We don't have any
work
type
stores
nearby, have to drive 45 minutes to the nearest one (Farm and
Fleet
...
which I
love). Probably because I am stuck in yuppie heaven (or hell,
depending
on how
you view things - lol). But Farm and Fleet is fantastic, prices
are
great
and
always a fun place to go. Carhart seems to be the current craze
(based
on
sonny
boy talking his dad into buying me a new jacket for Christmas).
That
also
might
be due to the weather we endure - you don't have much need for
the
heavier
duty/warmer clothing in your neck of the woods. G

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:10:52 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

The American Eagle, Express, etc, are the stores she stays away
from.
We
rarely step into K-Mart or Wal-Mart. I hate that they have zero
customer
service. I typically shop Target instead for the things that
K-Mart
or
Wal-Mart carry. We have a store called Mervyn's here that sells
the
jeans
she likes on sale for about $22 that is very reasonable. The
Dickies
that
she wears, are the men's, and they typically come from Work
World.
The
converse shoes are the basic black ones, nothing special about
it
and
they
did come from Journey's, but we had to special order them, since
she
wears
the boys/men's styles rather than the girls styles. Of any
store
that
she
shops at that would be considered trendy it would be Hot Topic.
But
then
again, those are just t's and a few other tops she buys in
there.
She
is
such a down to earth girl. Most of the stuff she wears, she
prefers
to
buy
in the men's/boys department and those are cheaper too.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Sounds to me like your store is one of the much smaller ones.
I
have 4
stores in
nearby towns - one is a very small store, one is extremely
large
...
other
two are
somewhere in between. The women's section in the one nearest
me
is
quite
large
... well, larger than 3 racks but smaller than a specialty
shop.
g
I
do
admit
though, that I never cared for their selection of items in the
larger
sizes ...
then again, I didn't care for the items in the specialized
women's
stores
either.
I'm very picky. G

Your non-trendy daughter would have no problem shopping in the
Kohl's
store near
me ... they carry the lowrise levi's (carry tons of levi's)
and
dickie
sweats.
What's rather odd is that around here, Dickie's is considered
a
more
trendy brand
as well as those high top converse's (daughter just looked at
a
pair
at
Journeys
but took a pass on them) ... so maybe by CA standards she is
not
trendy,
yet IL
standards she is??? g I have found Kohl's to have the best
prices
on
the levi
jeans ... again, when they are on sale. I don't recall ever
spending
more
than
$20/pair, which is cheaper than anywhere else (they usually
run
around
$30-$40
depending on style - low rise and stretch are at the top price
end).
Now
my
youngest daughter will not buy clothing at Kohl's, she is more
of
a
brand
snob in
my opinion ... American Eagle, Express, etc.

I also lean towards the very basic type stylings ... jeans,
t's,
polo's,
simple
sweaters - so is very easy to catch sales. I'm not into
*brands*,
the
house
brands are just fine by me. I picked up several polo's during
last
years
clearance for $3/each - sweaters at the beginning of the
season
for
around
$12. I
can't touch those prices elsewhere (other than K-mart/Wal-mart
which
fall
apart on
me after a few washings).

I guess it's just like everywhere else. You have to know your
pricing
and
your
merchandise. I stay away from the high end designs.

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:23:24 -0800, "Deb in Northern
California"
wrote:

At this point, I am still in the larger sizes and their
larger
sized
women's
department had a lot to be desired, I think they had may 3
racks
total
of
larger size clothes, so most likely I will not be back there
for
a
while.
The younger/junior sized things that my daughter could fit in
to
she
would
not be caught dead in, she is so not into the fashion trends.
Give
her a
pair of jeans (Levi's ultra-low rise with stretch size 5),a
T-shirt
and
her
Dickies hooded sweatshirt along with her high top Converse
shoes
and
she
is
a happy camper. She is so simple, and not trendy at all. It
is
nice
to
shop for her and she is not a clothes horse either so that is
nice
too.
On
the other hand her older sister (20 years old) loves to shop
and
could
break
me, but since she has to spend her own money on clothes now,
she
thinks
twice before buying something.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message

...
Give Kohls time to get going. Ours has the greatest
clearance
racks.
Stuff
70% off. Now affordable. I found a cute long dressy skirt
there
the
other
night for $5. It might be a tad too big by the time I plan
to
wear
it
in
May
but it will be worth taking it in at the waist for the
luncheon.

"Deb in Northern California" wrote
in
message
news We had a Kohl's open in our town last week. This was the
first
wave
of
stores to open in Nor Cal. I was very disappointed in
the
store
and
the
quality of merchandise and the prices were on the high
side
as
far
as
I
was
concerned. But that is just my observation of going
there
last
night
and
looking for a strapless bra for my youngest daughter.
$30+
for
a
bra
that
hold barely anything. She is a 34A.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Yup, definitely younger category ... you are the same
age
as
our
oldest
girl
(she'll be 30 in June). She also loves Gap, Banana
Republic,
Eddie
Bauer,
Express, etc. To me, the *normal* prices at all these
stores
are
too
expensive.
Again, probably an age thing. What I think is
expensive,
she
thinks
is
reasonable. G I'm more of a Kohl's/Penney's type
shopper.
G

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:16:46 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

I'll be thirty this year, so I guess I qualify in the
younger
category.
I'm
also all of 5 ft 3 in and my torso seems to be
proportioned--I
wouldn't
know
since it's been submerged under the weight for so
long.

It's certainly clearance time. We'll be going to
Banana
Republic
for
dh
soon...I have a feeling sweaters will be inexpensive
soon.
Last
year
we
got
him cashmere/silk blends for $7/ea.

Julie, who loves to get great bargains on clothing.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I did buy one pair of Gap jeans on clearance, was a
great
deal
for
$10.
You will
get into that XL shirt. If you're younger, you
probably
don't
mind
those
shorter
styles anyway. My problem is that all my height is
from
the
waist
up -
so
shirts
that are cut to hit at the waist normally, will hit
me
even
higher
up.
Not a
pretty picture on this old lady. G I did find
some
terrific
buys
after
Christmas ... mens cotton sweaters, marked down to
$6.
These
were
cut
so
short, I
can't imagine any man wearing them. But they fit me
perfectly,
and
are
just plain
unisex styling. Guess it's time once again to check
out
the
clearance
racks. I
found out today that what few hooded sweatshirts I
have,
are
all
size
L
(mens) ...
much too big. This should be the right time to pick
stuff
up
cheaply.

Joyce

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:44:48 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

No, but on clearance they are very attractive. I
have
a
shirt
from
the
Gap
that I bought specifically as a NSV clothing shirt.
I
paid
$1.99
for
it.
I
do hope to get into it at some point, it's an XL.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I do have two pairs of jeans from the gap, but
they
don't
seem
to
fit
as
well as
these others I have found. They fit *ok* and are
acceptable
...
except
for the
price. G Shirts at the Gap are definitely made
for
younger
females,
those with
little to no chest factor. G Even my 105 pound
daughter
has
to
take
a
medium
there. They seem to be cut small and short ...
not
good
options
for
women
with
longer body lengths.

Joyce

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:01:04 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Have you been to the Gap? I know they are more
expensive,
but
if
they
fit
right....

"Joyce" wrote in message

.. .
I tend to have the same thing, hard to stay
focused
100%
of
the
time
when
everyone
is fussing over us. I find I kind of relax
just
a
little
too
much.
G
But,
that's ok too - sometimes you just have to
relax,
as
long
as
we
don't
make
it a
forever thing.

I have a tough time with jeans too, had
someone
the
other
day
tell
me
to
try the
junior sizing (yeah, right, sure - not gonna
happen
unless
I
want
to
totally
humiliate myself). Relaxed fit is too big in
the
legs,
hips
and
thighs -
look
like clown pants on me. I have a pair of
carpenter
pants
on
today,
size 6
and
very baggy. I could take a 4 in these and
probably
still
have
a
bit
of
room to
spare - they don't come in 4's. In lower rise
jeans
I
seem
to
need
a
smaller size
than in regular cut higher waist - the waist
is
too
snug
for
my
liking
and
I do
like to be able to breath. I haven't tried
the
Gloria
Vanderbilt
jeans,
always
made the assumption that those *designer*
names
wouldn't
work
for
me -
maybe I
will give them a try as I saw some cute
capri's
in a
sales
ad
this
week.
I found
a new one that does fit me well though, only
ones
in
the
Lee
brand
that
aren't
baggy in the legs ... they have a *one true
fit*
or
something
like
that -
fits me
very nicely ... everywhere. Same with the
Levi
Nouveau
but I
forget
which
number
(why do they assign the styles numbers???).
The
levi's
have
a
little
stretch to
them, great in the waist but tend to get a tad
baggy
in
the
seat
after
a
few
hours. Oh well, I like the baggy better than
the
constant
snug
I
used
to
deal
with. g Shirts are an entirely different
story
with
me -
range
anywhere
from a
small to a large, depending on the store and
brand.
I
have
no
cl
ue.

Joyce

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:13:37 -0600, Prairie
Roots

wrote:

Thanks Joyce. I got a lot of compliments and
attention
at
work
this
week regarding my weight loss, people saying
things
about
how
confident I appear, that I have a more
positive
attitude,
and
just
plain look great. I think my head got a
little
puffed
up
from
all
the
compliments and that's what started all the
other
crazy
thinking.

It's hard to find jeans that fit me. The
ubiquitous
relaxed
fit
jeans
don't work for me; I carry my weight in my
tummy,
not
my
hips
and
thighs. Of all the brands I've tried, Gloria
Vanderbilt
classic
fit
jeans fit me best. I too like a little
stretch
in
my
jeans,
makes
bending over not just a breathtaking
experience.
LOL
But
couldn't
find
any this shopping trip and the non-stretch
jeans
don't
cut
off
my
oxygen supply.

Thanks again for your encouragement.

Linda P

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:58:12 -0600, Joyce

wrote:

Hey, taking a week of following the program
and
maintaining
is
fantastic! Call it
practice for the future, you've proved to
yourself
that
it
can
be
done.
Congrats
on holding firm this week.

Wish I could help you with the sink decision
...
my
decisions
are
always
to go on
the cheap side of things. G I think both
times
we've
replaced
the
sink, we
ended up at Builders Square (or similar home
improvement
store)
and
looking at
their discards (something that someone else
ordered
and
couldn't/wouldn't use for
one reason or another). Many times they may
have
had
a
little
chip
or
scratch in
the underside - nothing noticeable or
functionable -
but
always
at
a
great
reduction and usable. Might be something to
think
about
or
look
into.

What a great NSV, fitting easily into those
size
10
jeans,
smaller
tops
and much
smaller undergarments. I love the clothing
victories
(yet
still
hate
to
shop).
Where did you ever find jeans without
stretch
though?
I
swear
that
seems to be
all that is being made these days! BUT ...
don't
write
them
off
dear.
They are
wonderfully comfortable, and I've found
rather
flattering.
They
hug
ya
in all
those places we didn't use to like being
hugged.
G

Fight back with those other personalities of
yours
that
are
currently
letting
themselves be heard. Do not let them put a
damper
on
your
motivation
or
spirit.
You know why you should go further, just
have
to
make
sure
you
are
louder than
those other voices. C'mon Linda (wow, was
THAT
hard
for
me
to
say),
you
can do
it!

Joyce



On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:54:10 -0600, Prairie
Roots

wrote:

My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded
weight:
0.0
lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my
weight
from
last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting
the
70+
total
loss
and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my
motivation
to
keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part
of
me
I
haven't
heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should
even
further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I
tried
on
a
jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and
discovered
that
it
fit.
I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got
into
a
classic
fit
size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also
discovered
that
the
medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over
to
the
foundations
department for new undergarments and give
my
girls a
new
lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to
38D.

My food was off this week. More
importantly, I
didn't
exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the
impending
construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current
dilemma
is
deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my
construction
budget
I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my
bike.
Later
today
I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get
cranky.
The
bus
strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than
usual
and
getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient
whose
health
issues.
A
major
project I've been involved with at work is
nearing
completion
and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of
a
breather
from
WW
this
week to marvel at my overall progress and
to
focus
on a
few
other
pressing issues. That I ended up
maintaining
is a
wonder.

It's the best day of my life!

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

She asked to do College at Sea this summer, where there are on the Pacific
Ocean on a ship. They have classes, etc. but sail from the San Francisco
area to Hawaii, then to Midway Island where they have shore time, then on to
Guam, Korea, Japan and then on to Russia and then to Alaska where they will
have more shore time. But I told her if she wanted to do that, she would
have to find the cash for it, as I was not paying for it. I think the whole
trip for 2 months was $5,600, which included everything and she could earn a
significant amount of units towards her degree, but I just could not handle
that expense as a single parent. Since her dad does not help with anything
now that she is over 18.

Debbie

"skiur" wrote in message
...
I'm not a big golf watcher, but a dorm room with an ocean view-WOW. It
makes me think of vacation, not college.

Julie


"Deb in Northern California" wrote in message
...
Sherry loves San Francisco, she has very eclectic tastes and likes the
different people there. Nothing like here which is either migrant farm
worker families, uppity snobby people and farmers. We live in an area
that
is surrounded by farming communities with a city in the middle. Nothing
like the San Francisco Bay Area, where I grew up which is city upon city
with no breaks between them. She wants to be where there is a good
music
scene and also near the water. She is so into her music, that she
really
needs to be near a large metropolitan area in order to learn the
industry
where the industry is.

Julie, my oldest wanted to be near the beach/ocean, so she opted for a
smaller town but right on the beach. She is not too happy with the fog
and
dampness most days, but that is typical of the Monterey area, where she
attends school. Ever watch the Pebble Beach golf tournament? Well she
is
about 10-15 minutes away from there. Last year her dorm room even had
an
ocean view.

We don't have the humidity the way everyone else does, it is more like
desert heat here, so 90s are not that bad. When we are over 105 then it
is
HOT to me. Along with the heat here comes the stench of the dairies, we
have a number of dairies not too far from us and when the warm weather
hits,
the smell is awful and hopefully you are in the opposite direction of
the
wind that day.

Debbie



"Joyce" wrote in message
...
I think we all get accustomed to the environment we live in. 40's are
cool in
your neck of the woods ... here the opinion varies on the season.
40's
are cool
when moving into fall, yet those same 40's are a heat wave when moving
out
of the
winter and into spring. Us midwesterner's are a fickle lot. G I do
love those
70's and 80's though, but would gladly take a pass on the humidity
that
we
tend to
get along with the higher temps. And I don't like the 90/100's at
all!

Cassie had talked about a school in Frisco, don't remember which or
what
one, or
what it was for - I pretty much just told her it wasn't going to
happen.
I know
my girl, the last thing I need is her being across country crying that
she
is
homesick (this is the girl that couldn't stay at summer camp for more
than
a few
days). We're hoping for something a bit more local ... far enough to
be
away from
home, yet close enough to come back if and when necessary. Frisco
pretty
much
leaves her the option of lengthy holiday breaks only. She is
currently
a
junior,
so still has a full year to make up her mind. Plenty of time.

I laugh at your daughter wanting to get out of your SMALL town ...
250k
doesn't
sound small at all to me. Ours is about 45,000, the highschool
contains
the exact
same kids that went to middle school together ... no additional
schools
funnelling
into it, no new kids other than transfers. But Cassie is also drawn
towards the
city (Chicago) ... so she says anyway. G

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:57:10 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

Nah, when it is in the 40s I wear a jacket, otherwise it is a light
sweater
most of the time or just a sweatshirt. To me it is cold when it is
in
the
60s. I love the temps now, high 70s-low 80s are ideal to me, but
they
wont
last long. We will be 90-100+ soon.

Sherry is actually considering a school in the So Cal area that
specializes
in the industry she wants, too bad too as there is a private school
here
in
town with the same program, but she wants out of the small (250k)
town
we
are in and get into a big city like Los Angeles, San Diego or San
Francisco.
Her second choice is San Francisco State, so who knows, thank
goodness
she
is a high school sophomore at the moment, so she has a bit of time to
wait
for school. We will most likely check out Cal State Northridge this
summer
when we take a vacation to the Los Angeles area. Will be a first
time
vacationing in that area and not getting away to a smaller locale,
but
she
wants to see the Museum of Tolerance in the L.A. area, so that is
where
we
are heading. She has such a huge interest in the Holocaust and that
is
what
that museum is dedicated to.


Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
LOL! And you not dealing with a sweatshirt is when the temps are
what
...
low
60's? Today it was about 45, heat wave in my mind. Running around
in
shirtsleeves like it was mid summer. G

I think the only reason our paper carried the story of the stores
selling
is
because Marshall Field's has been a long time chicago store.
Selling
it
off is
another landmark disappearing. My understanding is that they will
only
be
keeping
the Target chain, the rest will be dissolved or sold. No Federated
or
May's here
either, will be interesting to see if this means that both of us
will
see
these
chains appear in the future? Or will we only have Target left?

Ok, maybe the stuff at Hot Topic is the pleather and vinyl and not
leather
.. I
tend to just lump it all in the same category. G Not something
any
of
the
family members go for, so we don't give it a second look and do not
check
out the
tags. LOL Cass doesn't buy too much at the concerts, finds the
items
way
too
expensive and standing in line a pain in the neck. My son just
went
to
a
concert
a few weeks ago, had asked if I wanted a t'shirt (he is into
country
like
his mama
... I taught the boy well). I found the tour t'shirt at a flea
market,
for $3 -
so much cheaper than what was offered at the concert ... and it was
the
current
one!

What a neat career for you daughter to get into. Cassie is leaing
in
a
few
directions at the moment - all media based but I think more in the
journalism end.
She has thought about marketing for radio/music, then swings into
photographic
journalism, then thought she would really enjoy getting into music
based
magazine
stuff. Next week will be her first visit to a college, which I am
a
bit
fearful
on prices since it is one of the artsy type chicago schools. But
it
comes
with a
fantastic reputation and one of the best journalism programs
around.
So
we'll
see.

Joyce

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:01:37 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

You are so right about the warmer clothes, I think I have had my
heavy
wool
coat on maybe six times all winter. Normally a sweatshirt will do
unless
it
is pouring down rain, and then you need the umbrella,but most
times,
I
don't
even bother with a jacket or umbrella, as I can't be bothered with
them
and
don't mind the little bit of rain I get on me in the process. I
typically
just don't go out when it is really bad weather (that is for here
at
least).

Yes, Mervyns, Marshall Fields and Target are all owned by the same
company.
Had not heard about them selling off any of the stores. We don't
have
Federated or Mays out here, so maybe it is just the Midwest
stores,
of
course, we don't have Marshall Fields out here either.

Hot Topic is a Goth store, no leather in ours though, just
pleather
and
vinyl. They carry Dickies in there too, so we have bought them
when
they
are on the clearance racks. They do have a large variety of
band/music
t's,
by Sherry typically gets her music t's when she attends a concert.
She
is a
huge music fan and goes to concerts/shows quite often. She is
even
working
her schooling towards going into the music business, hopefully
managing
bands, etc. She already does marketing and things with a local
band
here
in
town.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
If I remember correctly, Mervyn's is a division of Marshall
Fields
...
as
is
Target. Yup - just dug the newspaper article out of the
*library*
(hub
constantly
drags them into the potty - lol). Currently they are selling
off
the
Field's end
of the stores and *lower -end Mervyn's chain* (quoted from the
newspaper)
and
hoping Federated or May's will buy them out. We don't have the
Mervyn's
in my
area. I love Target, but stay far away from their clothing -
have
not
had
much
luck in the quality. I swear, every shirt I have ever purchased
from
them
has
shrunk to half its size in the first washing and that was when I
would
line dry my
clothing. But you can't beat their household items. Around
here
American
Eagle
is pretty non-trendy type items, much simpler styling by
standards,
less
glitz and
fuss which is why I think my daughter prefers it. Well, as well
as
being
able to
walk in and find things small enough. g I hate the prices
though,
you
are only
paying for the name. The shoes are odd though. Around here
they
are
all
just
unisex - buy smaller size if you are a female because they are
sized
for
men ...
at least in the converse styles. I just ran into the same thing
with
the
pair of
Adidas she bought from Journeys. They put the mens stuff in
smaller
sizes, in the
womens section. g But these are what are considered to be *in
style*
with all
the kids. Hot Topic is considered more of a *goth* store in our
area
...
tons of
black, leather and chain type attire. Daughter does wander in
on
rare
occassions,
but only buys t's - says they have great music/band t's.

My son found the Dickie's brand carried in PacSun when he was
shopping
for
work
clothes a few weeks ago, I also believe daughter bought a
sweatshirt
at
Anchor
Blue (which she doesn't like shopping at very often) - so
evidentally
has
become a
much more popular item with the kids again. We don't have any
work
type
stores
nearby, have to drive 45 minutes to the nearest one (Farm and
Fleet
...
which I
love). Probably because I am stuck in yuppie heaven (or hell,
depending
on how
you view things - lol). But Farm and Fleet is fantastic, prices
are
great
and
always a fun place to go. Carhart seems to be the current craze
(based
on
sonny
boy talking his dad into buying me a new jacket for Christmas).
That
also
might
be due to the weather we endure - you don't have much need for
the
heavier
duty/warmer clothing in your neck of the woods. G

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:10:52 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

The American Eagle, Express, etc, are the stores she stays away
from.
We
rarely step into K-Mart or Wal-Mart. I hate that they have
zero
customer
service. I typically shop Target instead for the things that
K-Mart
or
Wal-Mart carry. We have a store called Mervyn's here that
sells
the
jeans
she likes on sale for about $22 that is very reasonable. The
Dickies
that
she wears, are the men's, and they typically come from Work
World.
The
converse shoes are the basic black ones, nothing special about
it
and
they
did come from Journey's, but we had to special order them,
since
she
wears
the boys/men's styles rather than the girls styles. Of any
store
that
she
shops at that would be considered trendy it would be Hot Topic.
But
then
again, those are just t's and a few other tops she buys in
there.
She
is
such a down to earth girl. Most of the stuff she wears, she
prefers
to
buy
in the men's/boys department and those are cheaper too.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Sounds to me like your store is one of the much smaller ones.
I
have 4
stores in
nearby towns - one is a very small store, one is extremely
large
...
other
two are
somewhere in between. The women's section in the one nearest
me
is
quite
large
... well, larger than 3 racks but smaller than a specialty
shop.
g
I
do
admit
though, that I never cared for their selection of items in
the
larger
sizes ...
then again, I didn't care for the items in the specialized
women's
stores
either.
I'm very picky. G

Your non-trendy daughter would have no problem shopping in
the
Kohl's
store near
me ... they carry the lowrise levi's (carry tons of levi's)
and
dickie
sweats.
What's rather odd is that around here, Dickie's is considered
a
more
trendy brand
as well as those high top converse's (daughter just looked at
a
pair
at
Journeys
but took a pass on them) ... so maybe by CA standards she is
not
trendy,
yet IL
standards she is??? g I have found Kohl's to have the best
prices
on
the levi
jeans ... again, when they are on sale. I don't recall ever
spending
more
than
$20/pair, which is cheaper than anywhere else (they usually
run
around
$30-$40
depending on style - low rise and stretch are at the top
price
end).
Now
my
youngest daughter will not buy clothing at Kohl's, she is
more
of
a
brand
snob in
my opinion ... American Eagle, Express, etc.

I also lean towards the very basic type stylings ... jeans,
t's,
polo's,
simple
sweaters - so is very easy to catch sales. I'm not into
*brands*,
the
house
brands are just fine by me. I picked up several polo's
during
last
years
clearance for $3/each - sweaters at the beginning of the
season
for
around
$12. I
can't touch those prices elsewhere (other than
K-mart/Wal-mart
which
fall
apart on
me after a few washings).

I guess it's just like everywhere else. You have to know
your
pricing
and
your
merchandise. I stay away from the high end designs.

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:23:24 -0800, "Deb in Northern
California"
wrote:

At this point, I am still in the larger sizes and their
larger
sized
women's
department had a lot to be desired, I think they had may 3
racks
total
of
larger size clothes, so most likely I will not be back there
for
a
while.
The younger/junior sized things that my daughter could fit
in
to
she
would
not be caught dead in, she is so not into the fashion
trends.
Give
her a
pair of jeans (Levi's ultra-low rise with stretch size 5),a
T-shirt
and
her
Dickies hooded sweatshirt along with her high top Converse
shoes
and
she
is
a happy camper. She is so simple, and not trendy at all.
It
is
nice
to
shop for her and she is not a clothes horse either so that
is
nice
too.
On
the other hand her older sister (20 years old) loves to shop
and
could
break
me, but since she has to spend her own money on clothes now,
she
thinks
twice before buying something.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message

...
Give Kohls time to get going. Ours has the greatest
clearance
racks.
Stuff
70% off. Now affordable. I found a cute long dressy skirt
there
the
other
night for $5. It might be a tad too big by the time I plan
to
wear
it
in
May
but it will be worth taking it in at the waist for the
luncheon.

"Deb in Northern California" wrote
in
message
news We had a Kohl's open in our town last week. This was
the
first
wave
of
stores to open in Nor Cal. I was very disappointed in
the
store
and
the
quality of merchandise and the prices were on the high
side
as
far
as
I
was
concerned. But that is just my observation of going
there
last
night
and
looking for a strapless bra for my youngest daughter.
$30+
for
a
bra
that
hold barely anything. She is a 34A.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Yup, definitely younger category ... you are the same
age
as
our
oldest
girl
(she'll be 30 in June). She also loves Gap, Banana
Republic,
Eddie
Bauer,
Express, etc. To me, the *normal* prices at all these
stores
are
too
expensive.
Again, probably an age thing. What I think is
expensive,
she
thinks
is
reasonable. G I'm more of a Kohl's/Penney's type
shopper.
G

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:16:46 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

I'll be thirty this year, so I guess I qualify in the
younger
category.
I'm
also all of 5 ft 3 in and my torso seems to be
proportioned--I
wouldn't
know
since it's been submerged under the weight for so
long.

It's certainly clearance time. We'll be going to
Banana
Republic
for
dh
soon...I have a feeling sweaters will be inexpensive
soon.
Last
year
we
got
him cashmere/silk blends for $7/ea.

Julie, who loves to get great bargains on clothing.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I did buy one pair of Gap jeans on clearance, was a
great
deal
for
$10.
You will
get into that XL shirt. If you're younger, you
probably
don't
mind
those
shorter
styles anyway. My problem is that all my height is
from
the
waist
up -
so
shirts
that are cut to hit at the waist normally, will hit
me
even
higher
up.
Not a
pretty picture on this old lady. G I did find
some
terrific
buys
after
Christmas ... mens cotton sweaters, marked down to
$6.
These
were
cut
so
short, I
can't imagine any man wearing them. But they fit
me
perfectly,
and
are
just plain
unisex styling. Guess it's time once again to
check
out
the
clearance
racks. I
found out today that what few hooded sweatshirts I
have,
are
all
size
L
(mens) ...
much too big. This should be the right time to
pick
stuff
up
cheaply.

Joyce

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:44:48 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

No, but on clearance they are very attractive. I
have
a
shirt
from
the
Gap
that I bought specifically as a NSV clothing
shirt.
I
paid
$1.99
for
it.
I
do hope to get into it at some point, it's an XL.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I do have two pairs of jeans from the gap, but
they
don't
seem
to
fit
as
well as
these others I have found. They fit *ok* and
are
acceptable
...
except
for the
price. G Shirts at the Gap are definitely
made
for
younger
females,
those with
little to no chest factor. G Even my 105
pound
daughter
has
to
take
a
medium
there. They seem to be cut small and short ...
not
good
options
for
women
with
longer body lengths.

Joyce

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:01:04 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Have you been to the Gap? I know they are more
expensive,
but
if
they
fit
right....

"Joyce" wrote in message

.. .
I tend to have the same thing, hard to stay
focused
100%
of
the
time
when
everyone
is fussing over us. I find I kind of relax
just
a
little
too
much.
G
But,
that's ok too - sometimes you just have to
relax,
as
long
as
we
don't
make
it a
forever thing.

I have a tough time with jeans too, had
someone
the
other
day
tell
me
to
try the
junior sizing (yeah, right, sure - not gonna
happen
unless
I
want
to
totally
humiliate myself). Relaxed fit is too big in
the
legs,
hips
and
thighs -
look
like clown pants on me. I have a pair of
carpenter
pants
on
today,
size 6
and
very baggy. I could take a 4 in these and
probably
still
have
a
bit
of
room to
spare - they don't come in 4's. In lower
rise
jeans
I
seem
to
need
a
smaller size
than in regular cut higher waist - the waist
is
too
snug
for
my
liking
and
I do
like to be able to breath. I haven't tried
the
Gloria
Vanderbilt
jeans,
always
made the assumption that those *designer*
names
wouldn't
work
for
me -
maybe I
will give them a try as I saw some cute
capri's
in a
sales
ad
this
week.
I found
a new one that does fit me well though, only
ones
in
the
Lee
brand
that
aren't
baggy in the legs ... they have a *one true
fit*
or
something
like
that -
fits me
very nicely ... everywhere. Same with the
Levi
Nouveau
but I
forget
which
number
(why do they assign the styles numbers???).
The
levi's
have
a
little
stretch to
them, great in the waist but tend to get a
tad
baggy
in
the
seat
after
a
few
hours. Oh well, I like the baggy better than
the
constant
snug
I
used
to
deal
with. g Shirts are an entirely different
story
with
me -
range
anywhere
from a
small to a large, depending on the store and
brand.
I
have
no
cl
ue.

Joyce

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:13:37 -0600, Prairie
Roots

wrote:

Thanks Joyce. I got a lot of compliments and
attention
at
work
this
week regarding my weight loss, people saying
things
about
how
confident I appear, that I have a more
positive
attitude,
and
just
plain look great. I think my head got a
little
puffed
up
from
all
the
compliments and that's what started all the
other
crazy
thinking.

It's hard to find jeans that fit me. The
ubiquitous
relaxed
fit
jeans
don't work for me; I carry my weight in my
tummy,
not
my
hips
and
thighs. Of all the brands I've tried, Gloria
Vanderbilt
classic
fit
jeans fit me best. I too like a little
stretch
in
my
jeans,
makes
bending over not just a breathtaking
experience.
LOL
But
couldn't
find
any this shopping trip and the non-stretch
jeans
don't
cut
off
my
oxygen supply.

Thanks again for your encouragement.

Linda P

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:58:12 -0600, Joyce

wrote:

Hey, taking a week of following the program
and
maintaining
is
fantastic! Call it
practice for the future, you've proved to
yourself
that
it
can
be
done.
Congrats
on holding firm this week.

Wish I could help you with the sink
decision
...
my
decisions
are
always
to go on
the cheap side of things. G I think both
times
we've
replaced
the
sink, we
ended up at Builders Square (or similar
home
improvement
store)
and
looking at
their discards (something that someone else
ordered
and
couldn't/wouldn't use for
one reason or another). Many times they
may
have
had
a
little
chip
or
scratch in
the underside - nothing noticeable or
functionable -
but
always
at
a
great
reduction and usable. Might be something
to
think
about
or
look
into.

What a great NSV, fitting easily into those
size
10
jeans,
smaller
tops
and much
smaller undergarments. I love the clothing
victories
(yet
still
hate
to
shop).
Where did you ever find jeans without
stretch
though?
I
swear
that
seems to be
all that is being made these days! BUT ...
don't
write
them
off
dear.
They are
wonderfully comfortable, and I've found
rather
flattering.
They
hug
ya
in all
those places we didn't use to like being
hugged.
G

Fight back with those other personalities
of
yours
that
are
currently
letting
themselves be heard. Do not let them put a
damper
on
your
motivation
or
spirit.
You know why you should go further, just
have
to
make
sure
you
are
louder than
those other voices. C'mon Linda (wow, was
THAT
hard
for
me
to
say),
you
can do
it!

Joyce



On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:54:10 -0600, Prairie
Roots

wrote:

My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded
weight:
0.0
lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my
weight
from
last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week.
Hitting
the
70+
total
loss
and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my
motivation
to
keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some
part
of
me
I
haven't
heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should
even
further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I
tried
on
a
jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and
discovered
that
it
fit.
I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got
into
a
classic
fit
size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also
discovered
that
the
medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over
to
the
foundations
department for new undergarments and give
my
girls a
new
lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to
38D.

My food was off this week. More
importantly,
I
didn't
exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the
impending
construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current
dilemma
is
deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my
construction
budget
I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my
bike.
Later
today
I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get
cranky.
The
bus
strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than
usual
and
getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient
whose
health
issues.
A
major
project I've been involved with at work is
nearing
completion
and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of
a
breather
from
WW
this
week to marvel at my overall progress and
to
focus
on a
few
other
pressing issues. That I ended up
maintaining
is a
wonder.

It's the best day of my life!

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Semesters at sea is a lot of fun and very interesting. You learn quite a
bit about other cultures. Hopefully she'll be able to get some student
loans or the likes. They are usually very interested in getting students to
do these trips and will help find ways to finance them.

Julie


"Deb in Northern California" wrote in message
...
She asked to do College at Sea this summer, where there are on the Pacific
Ocean on a ship. They have classes, etc. but sail from the San Francisco
area to Hawaii, then to Midway Island where they have shore time, then on
to
Guam, Korea, Japan and then on to Russia and then to Alaska where they
will
have more shore time. But I told her if she wanted to do that, she would
have to find the cash for it, as I was not paying for it. I think the
whole
trip for 2 months was $5,600, which included everything and she could earn
a
significant amount of units towards her degree, but I just could not
handle
that expense as a single parent. Since her dad does not help with
anything
now that she is over 18.

Debbie

"skiur" wrote in message
...
I'm not a big golf watcher, but a dorm room with an ocean view-WOW. It
makes me think of vacation, not college.

Julie


"Deb in Northern California" wrote in message
...
Sherry loves San Francisco, she has very eclectic tastes and likes the
different people there. Nothing like here which is either migrant
farm
worker families, uppity snobby people and farmers. We live in an area
that
is surrounded by farming communities with a city in the middle.
Nothing
like the San Francisco Bay Area, where I grew up which is city upon
city
with no breaks between them. She wants to be where there is a good
music
scene and also near the water. She is so into her music, that she
really
needs to be near a large metropolitan area in order to learn the
industry
where the industry is.

Julie, my oldest wanted to be near the beach/ocean, so she opted for a
smaller town but right on the beach. She is not too happy with the
fog
and
dampness most days, but that is typical of the Monterey area, where
she
attends school. Ever watch the Pebble Beach golf tournament? Well
she
is
about 10-15 minutes away from there. Last year her dorm room even had
an
ocean view.

We don't have the humidity the way everyone else does, it is more like
desert heat here, so 90s are not that bad. When we are over 105 then
it
is
HOT to me. Along with the heat here comes the stench of the dairies,
we
have a number of dairies not too far from us and when the warm weather
hits,
the smell is awful and hopefully you are in the opposite direction of
the
wind that day.

Debbie



"Joyce" wrote in message
...
I think we all get accustomed to the environment we live in. 40's
are
cool in
your neck of the woods ... here the opinion varies on the season.
40's
are cool
when moving into fall, yet those same 40's are a heat wave when
moving
out
of the
winter and into spring. Us midwesterner's are a fickle lot. G I
do
love those
70's and 80's though, but would gladly take a pass on the humidity
that
we
tend to
get along with the higher temps. And I don't like the 90/100's at
all!

Cassie had talked about a school in Frisco, don't remember which or
what
one, or
what it was for - I pretty much just told her it wasn't going to
happen.
I know
my girl, the last thing I need is her being across country crying
that
she
is
homesick (this is the girl that couldn't stay at summer camp for
more
than
a few
days). We're hoping for something a bit more local ... far enough
to
be
away from
home, yet close enough to come back if and when necessary. Frisco
pretty
much
leaves her the option of lengthy holiday breaks only. She is
currently
a
junior,
so still has a full year to make up her mind. Plenty of time.

I laugh at your daughter wanting to get out of your SMALL town ...
250k
doesn't
sound small at all to me. Ours is about 45,000, the highschool
contains
the exact
same kids that went to middle school together ... no additional
schools
funnelling
into it, no new kids other than transfers. But Cassie is also drawn
towards the
city (Chicago) ... so she says anyway. G

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:57:10 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

Nah, when it is in the 40s I wear a jacket, otherwise it is a light
sweater
most of the time or just a sweatshirt. To me it is cold when it is
in
the
60s. I love the temps now, high 70s-low 80s are ideal to me, but
they
wont
last long. We will be 90-100+ soon.

Sherry is actually considering a school in the So Cal area that
specializes
in the industry she wants, too bad too as there is a private school
here
in
town with the same program, but she wants out of the small (250k)
town
we
are in and get into a big city like Los Angeles, San Diego or San
Francisco.
Her second choice is San Francisco State, so who knows, thank
goodness
she
is a high school sophomore at the moment, so she has a bit of time
to
wait
for school. We will most likely check out Cal State Northridge
this
summer
when we take a vacation to the Los Angeles area. Will be a first
time
vacationing in that area and not getting away to a smaller locale,
but
she
wants to see the Museum of Tolerance in the L.A. area, so that is
where
we
are heading. She has such a huge interest in the Holocaust and
that
is
what
that museum is dedicated to.


Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
LOL! And you not dealing with a sweatshirt is when the temps are
what
...
low
60's? Today it was about 45, heat wave in my mind. Running
around
in
shirtsleeves like it was mid summer. G

I think the only reason our paper carried the story of the stores
selling
is
because Marshall Field's has been a long time chicago store.
Selling
it
off is
another landmark disappearing. My understanding is that they
will
only
be
keeping
the Target chain, the rest will be dissolved or sold. No
Federated
or
May's here
either, will be interesting to see if this means that both of us
will
see
these
chains appear in the future? Or will we only have Target left?

Ok, maybe the stuff at Hot Topic is the pleather and vinyl and
not
leather
.. I
tend to just lump it all in the same category. G Not something
any
of
the
family members go for, so we don't give it a second look and do
not
check
out the
tags. LOL Cass doesn't buy too much at the concerts, finds the
items
way
too
expensive and standing in line a pain in the neck. My son just
went
to
a
concert
a few weeks ago, had asked if I wanted a t'shirt (he is into
country
like
his mama
... I taught the boy well). I found the tour t'shirt at a flea
market,
for $3 -
so much cheaper than what was offered at the concert ... and it
was
the
current
one!

What a neat career for you daughter to get into. Cassie is
leaing
in
a
few
directions at the moment - all media based but I think more in
the
journalism end.
She has thought about marketing for radio/music, then swings into
photographic
journalism, then thought she would really enjoy getting into
music
based
magazine
stuff. Next week will be her first visit to a college, which I
am
a
bit
fearful
on prices since it is one of the artsy type chicago schools. But
it
comes
with a
fantastic reputation and one of the best journalism programs
around.
So
we'll
see.

Joyce

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:01:37 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

You are so right about the warmer clothes, I think I have had my
heavy
wool
coat on maybe six times all winter. Normally a sweatshirt will
do
unless
it
is pouring down rain, and then you need the umbrella,but most
times,
I
don't
even bother with a jacket or umbrella, as I can't be bothered
with
them
and
don't mind the little bit of rain I get on me in the process. I
typically
just don't go out when it is really bad weather (that is for
here
at
least).

Yes, Mervyns, Marshall Fields and Target are all owned by the
same
company.
Had not heard about them selling off any of the stores. We
don't
have
Federated or Mays out here, so maybe it is just the Midwest
stores,
of
course, we don't have Marshall Fields out here either.

Hot Topic is a Goth store, no leather in ours though, just
pleather
and
vinyl. They carry Dickies in there too, so we have bought them
when
they
are on the clearance racks. They do have a large variety of
band/music
t's,
by Sherry typically gets her music t's when she attends a
concert.
She
is a
huge music fan and goes to concerts/shows quite often. She is
even
working
her schooling towards going into the music business, hopefully
managing
bands, etc. She already does marketing and things with a local
band
here
in
town.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
If I remember correctly, Mervyn's is a division of Marshall
Fields
...
as
is
Target. Yup - just dug the newspaper article out of the
*library*
(hub
constantly
drags them into the potty - lol). Currently they are selling
off
the
Field's end
of the stores and *lower -end Mervyn's chain* (quoted from the
newspaper)
and
hoping Federated or May's will buy them out. We don't have
the
Mervyn's
in my
area. I love Target, but stay far away from their clothing -
have
not
had
much
luck in the quality. I swear, every shirt I have ever
purchased
from
them
has
shrunk to half its size in the first washing and that was when
I
would
line dry my
clothing. But you can't beat their household items. Around
here
American
Eagle
is pretty non-trendy type items, much simpler styling by
standards,
less
glitz and
fuss which is why I think my daughter prefers it. Well, as
well
as
being
able to
walk in and find things small enough. g I hate the prices
though,
you
are only
paying for the name. The shoes are odd though. Around here
they
are
all
just
unisex - buy smaller size if you are a female because they are
sized
for
men ...
at least in the converse styles. I just ran into the same
thing
with
the
pair of
Adidas she bought from Journeys. They put the mens stuff in
smaller
sizes, in the
womens section. g But these are what are considered to be
*in
style*
with all
the kids. Hot Topic is considered more of a *goth* store in
our
area
...
tons of
black, leather and chain type attire. Daughter does wander in
on
rare
occassions,
but only buys t's - says they have great music/band t's.

My son found the Dickie's brand carried in PacSun when he was
shopping
for
work
clothes a few weeks ago, I also believe daughter bought a
sweatshirt
at
Anchor
Blue (which she doesn't like shopping at very often) - so
evidentally
has
become a
much more popular item with the kids again. We don't have any
work
type
stores
nearby, have to drive 45 minutes to the nearest one (Farm and
Fleet
...
which I
love). Probably because I am stuck in yuppie heaven (or hell,
depending
on how
you view things - lol). But Farm and Fleet is fantastic,
prices
are
great
and
always a fun place to go. Carhart seems to be the current
craze
(based
on
sonny
boy talking his dad into buying me a new jacket for
Christmas).
That
also
might
be due to the weather we endure - you don't have much need for
the
heavier
duty/warmer clothing in your neck of the woods. G

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:10:52 -0800, "Deb in Northern
California"
wrote:

The American Eagle, Express, etc, are the stores she stays
away
from.
We
rarely step into K-Mart or Wal-Mart. I hate that they have
zero
customer
service. I typically shop Target instead for the things that
K-Mart
or
Wal-Mart carry. We have a store called Mervyn's here that
sells
the
jeans
she likes on sale for about $22 that is very reasonable. The
Dickies
that
she wears, are the men's, and they typically come from Work
World.
The
converse shoes are the basic black ones, nothing special
about
it
and
they
did come from Journey's, but we had to special order them,
since
she
wears
the boys/men's styles rather than the girls styles. Of any
store
that
she
shops at that would be considered trendy it would be Hot
Topic.
But
then
again, those are just t's and a few other tops she buys in
there.
She
is
such a down to earth girl. Most of the stuff she wears, she
prefers
to
buy
in the men's/boys department and those are cheaper too.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Sounds to me like your store is one of the much smaller
ones.
I
have 4
stores in
nearby towns - one is a very small store, one is extremely
large
...
other
two are
somewhere in between. The women's section in the one
nearest
me
is
quite
large
... well, larger than 3 racks but smaller than a specialty
shop.
g
I
do
admit
though, that I never cared for their selection of items in
the
larger
sizes ...
then again, I didn't care for the items in the specialized
women's
stores
either.
I'm very picky. G

Your non-trendy daughter would have no problem shopping in
the
Kohl's
store near
me ... they carry the lowrise levi's (carry tons of levi's)
and
dickie
sweats.
What's rather odd is that around here, Dickie's is
considered
a
more
trendy brand
as well as those high top converse's (daughter just looked
at
a
pair
at
Journeys
but took a pass on them) ... so maybe by CA standards she
is
not
trendy,
yet IL
standards she is??? g I have found Kohl's to have the
best
prices
on
the levi
jeans ... again, when they are on sale. I don't recall
ever
spending
more
than
$20/pair, which is cheaper than anywhere else (they usually
run
around
$30-$40
depending on style - low rise and stretch are at the top
price
end).
Now
my
youngest daughter will not buy clothing at Kohl's, she is
more
of
a
brand
snob in
my opinion ... American Eagle, Express, etc.

I also lean towards the very basic type stylings ... jeans,
t's,
polo's,
simple
sweaters - so is very easy to catch sales. I'm not into
*brands*,
the
house
brands are just fine by me. I picked up several polo's
during
last
years
clearance for $3/each - sweaters at the beginning of the
season
for
around
$12. I
can't touch those prices elsewhere (other than
K-mart/Wal-mart
which
fall
apart on
me after a few washings).

I guess it's just like everywhere else. You have to know
your
pricing
and
your
merchandise. I stay away from the high end designs.

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:23:24 -0800, "Deb in Northern
California"
wrote:

At this point, I am still in the larger sizes and their
larger
sized
women's
department had a lot to be desired, I think they had may 3
racks
total
of
larger size clothes, so most likely I will not be back
there
for
a
while.
The younger/junior sized things that my daughter could fit
in
to
she
would
not be caught dead in, she is so not into the fashion
trends.
Give
her a
pair of jeans (Levi's ultra-low rise with stretch size
5),a
T-shirt
and
her
Dickies hooded sweatshirt along with her high top Converse
shoes
and
she
is
a happy camper. She is so simple, and not trendy at all.
It
is
nice
to
shop for her and she is not a clothes horse either so that
is
nice
too.
On
the other hand her older sister (20 years old) loves to
shop
and
could
break
me, but since she has to spend her own money on clothes
now,
she
thinks
twice before buying something.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message

...
Give Kohls time to get going. Ours has the greatest
clearance
racks.
Stuff
70% off. Now affordable. I found a cute long dressy
skirt
there
the
other
night for $5. It might be a tad too big by the time I
plan
to
wear
it
in
May
but it will be worth taking it in at the waist for the
luncheon.

"Deb in Northern California"
wrote
in
message
news We had a Kohl's open in our town last week. This was
the
first
wave
of
stores to open in Nor Cal. I was very disappointed in
the
store
and
the
quality of merchandise and the prices were on the high
side
as
far
as
I
was
concerned. But that is just my observation of going
there
last
night
and
looking for a strapless bra for my youngest daughter.
$30+
for
a
bra
that
hold barely anything. She is a 34A.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Yup, definitely younger category ... you are the
same
age
as
our
oldest
girl
(she'll be 30 in June). She also loves Gap, Banana
Republic,
Eddie
Bauer,
Express, etc. To me, the *normal* prices at all
these
stores
are
too
expensive.
Again, probably an age thing. What I think is
expensive,
she
thinks
is
reasonable. G I'm more of a Kohl's/Penney's type
shopper.
G

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:16:46 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

I'll be thirty this year, so I guess I qualify in
the
younger
category.
I'm
also all of 5 ft 3 in and my torso seems to be
proportioned--I
wouldn't
know
since it's been submerged under the weight for so
long.

It's certainly clearance time. We'll be going to
Banana
Republic
for
dh
soon...I have a feeling sweaters will be
inexpensive
soon.
Last
year
we
got
him cashmere/silk blends for $7/ea.

Julie, who loves to get great bargains on clothing.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I did buy one pair of Gap jeans on clearance, was
a
great
deal
for
$10.
You will
get into that XL shirt. If you're younger, you
probably
don't
mind
those
shorter
styles anyway. My problem is that all my height
is
from
the
waist
up -
so
shirts
that are cut to hit at the waist normally, will
hit
me
even
higher
up.
Not a
pretty picture on this old lady. G I did find
some
terrific
buys
after
Christmas ... mens cotton sweaters, marked down
to
$6.
These
were
cut
so
short, I
can't imagine any man wearing them. But they fit
me
perfectly,
and
are
just plain
unisex styling. Guess it's time once again to
check
out
the
clearance
racks. I
found out today that what few hooded sweatshirts
I
have,
are
all
size
L
(mens) ...
much too big. This should be the right time to
pick
stuff
up
cheaply.

Joyce

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:44:48 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

No, but on clearance they are very attractive.
I
have
a
shirt
from
the
Gap
that I bought specifically as a NSV clothing
shirt.
I
paid
$1.99
for
it.
I
do hope to get into it at some point, it's an
XL.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message

.. .
I do have two pairs of jeans from the gap, but
they
don't
seem
to
fit
as
well as
these others I have found. They fit *ok* and
are
acceptable
...
except
for the
price. G Shirts at the Gap are definitely
made
for
younger
females,
those with
little to no chest factor. G Even my 105
pound
daughter
has
to
take
a
medium
there. They seem to be cut small and short
....
not
good
options
for
women
with
longer body lengths.

Joyce

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:01:04 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Have you been to the Gap? I know they are
more
expensive,
but
if
they
fit
right....

"Joyce" wrote in message

.. .
I tend to have the same thing, hard to stay
focused
100%
of
the
time
when
everyone
is fussing over us. I find I kind of relax
just
a
little
too
much.
G
But,
that's ok too - sometimes you just have to
relax,
as
long
as
we
don't
make
it a
forever thing.

I have a tough time with jeans too, had
someone
the
other
day
tell
me
to
try the
junior sizing (yeah, right, sure - not
gonna
happen
unless
I
want
to
totally
humiliate myself). Relaxed fit is too big
in
the
legs,
hips
and
thighs -
look
like clown pants on me. I have a pair of
carpenter
pants
on
today,
size 6
and
very baggy. I could take a 4 in these and
probably
still
have
a
bit
of
room to
spare - they don't come in 4's. In lower
rise
jeans
I
seem
to
need
a
smaller size
than in regular cut higher waist - the
waist
is
too
snug
for
my
liking
and
I do
like to be able to breath. I haven't tried
the
Gloria
Vanderbilt
jeans,
always
made the assumption that those *designer*
names
wouldn't
work
for
me -
maybe I
will give them a try as I saw some cute
capri's
in a
sales
ad
this
week.
I found
a new one that does fit me well though,
only
ones
in
the
Lee
brand
that
aren't
baggy in the legs ... they have a *one true
fit*
or
something
like
that -
fits me
very nicely ... everywhere. Same with the
Levi
Nouveau
but I
forget
which
number
(why do they assign the styles numbers???).
The
levi's
have
a
little
stretch to
them, great in the waist but tend to get a
tad
baggy
in
the
seat
after
a
few
hours. Oh well, I like the baggy better
than
the
constant
snug
I
used
to
deal
with. g Shirts are an entirely different
story
with
me -
range
anywhere
from a
small to a large, depending on the store
and
brand.
I
have
no
cl
ue.

Joyce

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:13:37 -0600, Prairie
Roots

wrote:

Thanks Joyce. I got a lot of compliments
and
attention
at
work
this
week regarding my weight loss, people
saying
things
about
how
confident I appear, that I have a more
positive
attitude,
and
just
plain look great. I think my head got a
little
puffed
up
from
all
the
compliments and that's what started all
the
other
crazy
thinking.

It's hard to find jeans that fit me. The
ubiquitous
relaxed
fit
jeans
don't work for me; I carry my weight in my
tummy,
not
my
hips
and
thighs. Of all the brands I've tried,
Gloria
Vanderbilt
classic
fit
jeans fit me best. I too like a little
stretch
in
my
jeans,
makes
bending over not just a breathtaking
experience.
LOL
But
couldn't
find
any this shopping trip and the non-stretch
jeans
don't
cut
off
my
oxygen supply.

Thanks again for your encouragement.

Linda P

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:58:12 -0600, Joyce

wrote:

Hey, taking a week of following the
program
and
maintaining
is
fantastic! Call it
practice for the future, you've proved to
yourself
that
it
can
be
done.
Congrats
on holding firm this week.

Wish I could help you with the sink
decision
...
my
decisions
are
always
to go on
the cheap side of things. G I think
both
times
we've
replaced
the
sink, we
ended up at Builders Square (or similar
home
improvement
store)
and
looking at
their discards (something that someone
else
ordered
and
couldn't/wouldn't use for
one reason or another). Many times they
may
have
had
a
little
chip
or
scratch in
the underside - nothing noticeable or
functionable -
but
always
at
a
great
reduction and usable. Might be something
to
think
about
or
look
into.

What a great NSV, fitting easily into
those
size
10
jeans,
smaller
tops
and much
smaller undergarments. I love the
clothing
victories
(yet
still
hate
to
shop).
Where did you ever find jeans without
stretch
though?
I
swear
that
seems to be
all that is being made these days! BUT
....
don't
write
them
off
dear.
They are
wonderfully comfortable, and I've found
rather
flattering.
They
hug
ya
in all
those places we didn't use to like being
hugged.
G

Fight back with those other personalities
of
yours
that
are
currently
letting
themselves be heard. Do not let them put
a
damper
on
your
motivation
or
spirit.
You know why you should go further, just
have
to
make
sure
you
are
louder than
those other voices. C'mon Linda (wow,
was
THAT
hard
for
me
to
say),
you
can do
it!

Joyce



On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:54:10 -0600,
Prairie
Roots

wrote:

My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded
weight:
0.0
lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in
my
weight
from
last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week.
Hitting
the
70+
total
loss
and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my
motivation
to
keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some
part
of
me
I
haven't
heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should
even
further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim,
I
tried
on
a
jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and
discovered
that
it
fit.
I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got
into
a
classic
fit
size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also
discovered
that
the
medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head
over
to
the
foundations
department for new undergarments and
give
my
girls a
new
lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to
38D.

My food was off this week. More
importantly,
I
didn't
exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with
the
impending
construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current
dilemma
is
deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of
my
construction
budget
I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten
my
bike.
Later
today
I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get
cranky.
The
bus
strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than
usual
and
getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient
whose
health
issues.
A
major
project I've been involved with at work
is
nearing
completion
and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit
of
a
breather
from
WW
this
week to marvel at my overall progress
and
to
focus
on a
few
other
pressing issues. That I ended up
maintaining
is a
wonder.

It's the best day of my life!

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Actually, she is passing on this summer, the classes don't fit with her
major so it would only be for extra credit and the trip. She is interested
in Summer 2005 though, as that is traveling to Australia and New Zealand,
places she would be much more interested in over the Pacific Rim area.

Debbie

"skiur" wrote in message
...
Semesters at sea is a lot of fun and very interesting. You learn quite a
bit about other cultures. Hopefully she'll be able to get some student
loans or the likes. They are usually very interested in getting students
to
do these trips and will help find ways to finance them.

Julie


"Deb in Northern California" wrote in message
...
She asked to do College at Sea this summer, where there are on the
Pacific
Ocean on a ship. They have classes, etc. but sail from the San
Francisco
area to Hawaii, then to Midway Island where they have shore time, then
on
to
Guam, Korea, Japan and then on to Russia and then to Alaska where they
will
have more shore time. But I told her if she wanted to do that, she
would
have to find the cash for it, as I was not paying for it. I think the
whole
trip for 2 months was $5,600, which included everything and she could
earn
a
significant amount of units towards her degree, but I just could not
handle
that expense as a single parent. Since her dad does not help with
anything
now that she is over 18.

Debbie

"skiur" wrote in message
...
I'm not a big golf watcher, but a dorm room with an ocean view-WOW.
It
makes me think of vacation, not college.

Julie


"Deb in Northern California" wrote in message
...
Sherry loves San Francisco, she has very eclectic tastes and likes
the
different people there. Nothing like here which is either migrant
farm
worker families, uppity snobby people and farmers. We live in an
area
that
is surrounded by farming communities with a city in the middle.
Nothing
like the San Francisco Bay Area, where I grew up which is city upon
city
with no breaks between them. She wants to be where there is a good
music
scene and also near the water. She is so into her music, that she
really
needs to be near a large metropolitan area in order to learn the
industry
where the industry is.

Julie, my oldest wanted to be near the beach/ocean, so she opted for
a
smaller town but right on the beach. She is not too happy with the
fog
and
dampness most days, but that is typical of the Monterey area, where
she
attends school. Ever watch the Pebble Beach golf tournament? Well
she
is
about 10-15 minutes away from there. Last year her dorm room even
had
an
ocean view.

We don't have the humidity the way everyone else does, it is more
like
desert heat here, so 90s are not that bad. When we are over 105
then
it
is
HOT to me. Along with the heat here comes the stench of the
dairies,
we
have a number of dairies not too far from us and when the warm
weather
hits,
the smell is awful and hopefully you are in the opposite direction
of
the
wind that day.

Debbie



"Joyce" wrote in message
...
I think we all get accustomed to the environment we live in. 40's
are
cool in
your neck of the woods ... here the opinion varies on the season.
40's
are cool
when moving into fall, yet those same 40's are a heat wave when
moving
out
of the
winter and into spring. Us midwesterner's are a fickle lot. G
I
do
love those
70's and 80's though, but would gladly take a pass on the humidity
that
we
tend to
get along with the higher temps. And I don't like the 90/100's at
all!

Cassie had talked about a school in Frisco, don't remember which
or
what
one, or
what it was for - I pretty much just told her it wasn't going to
happen.
I know
my girl, the last thing I need is her being across country crying
that
she
is
homesick (this is the girl that couldn't stay at summer camp for
more
than
a few
days). We're hoping for something a bit more local ... far enough
to
be
away from
home, yet close enough to come back if and when necessary. Frisco
pretty
much
leaves her the option of lengthy holiday breaks only. She is
currently
a
junior,
so still has a full year to make up her mind. Plenty of time.

I laugh at your daughter wanting to get out of your SMALL town ...
250k
doesn't
sound small at all to me. Ours is about 45,000, the highschool
contains
the exact
same kids that went to middle school together ... no additional
schools
funnelling
into it, no new kids other than transfers. But Cassie is also
drawn
towards the
city (Chicago) ... so she says anyway. G

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:57:10 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

Nah, when it is in the 40s I wear a jacket, otherwise it is a
light
sweater
most of the time or just a sweatshirt. To me it is cold when it
is
in
the
60s. I love the temps now, high 70s-low 80s are ideal to me, but
they
wont
last long. We will be 90-100+ soon.

Sherry is actually considering a school in the So Cal area that
specializes
in the industry she wants, too bad too as there is a private
school
here
in
town with the same program, but she wants out of the small (250k)
town
we
are in and get into a big city like Los Angeles, San Diego or San
Francisco.
Her second choice is San Francisco State, so who knows, thank
goodness
she
is a high school sophomore at the moment, so she has a bit of
time
to
wait
for school. We will most likely check out Cal State Northridge
this
summer
when we take a vacation to the Los Angeles area. Will be a first
time
vacationing in that area and not getting away to a smaller
locale,
but
she
wants to see the Museum of Tolerance in the L.A. area, so that is
where
we
are heading. She has such a huge interest in the Holocaust and
that
is
what
that museum is dedicated to.


Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
LOL! And you not dealing with a sweatshirt is when the temps
are
what
...
low
60's? Today it was about 45, heat wave in my mind. Running
around
in
shirtsleeves like it was mid summer. G

I think the only reason our paper carried the story of the
stores
selling
is
because Marshall Field's has been a long time chicago store.
Selling
it
off is
another landmark disappearing. My understanding is that they
will
only
be
keeping
the Target chain, the rest will be dissolved or sold. No
Federated
or
May's here
either, will be interesting to see if this means that both of
us
will
see
these
chains appear in the future? Or will we only have Target left?

Ok, maybe the stuff at Hot Topic is the pleather and vinyl and
not
leather
.. I
tend to just lump it all in the same category. G Not
something
any
of
the
family members go for, so we don't give it a second look and do
not
check
out the
tags. LOL Cass doesn't buy too much at the concerts, finds the
items
way
too
expensive and standing in line a pain in the neck. My son just
went
to
a
concert
a few weeks ago, had asked if I wanted a t'shirt (he is into
country
like
his mama
... I taught the boy well). I found the tour t'shirt at a flea
market,
for $3 -
so much cheaper than what was offered at the concert ... and it
was
the
current
one!

What a neat career for you daughter to get into. Cassie is
leaing
in
a
few
directions at the moment - all media based but I think more in
the
journalism end.
She has thought about marketing for radio/music, then swings
into
photographic
journalism, then thought she would really enjoy getting into
music
based
magazine
stuff. Next week will be her first visit to a college, which I
am
a
bit
fearful
on prices since it is one of the artsy type chicago schools.
But
it
comes
with a
fantastic reputation and one of the best journalism programs
around.
So
we'll
see.

Joyce

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:01:37 -0800, "Deb in Northern
California"
wrote:

You are so right about the warmer clothes, I think I have had
my
heavy
wool
coat on maybe six times all winter. Normally a sweatshirt
will
do
unless
it
is pouring down rain, and then you need the umbrella,but most
times,
I
don't
even bother with a jacket or umbrella, as I can't be bothered
with
them
and
don't mind the little bit of rain I get on me in the process.
I
typically
just don't go out when it is really bad weather (that is for
here
at
least).

Yes, Mervyns, Marshall Fields and Target are all owned by the
same
company.
Had not heard about them selling off any of the stores. We
don't
have
Federated or Mays out here, so maybe it is just the Midwest
stores,
of
course, we don't have Marshall Fields out here either.

Hot Topic is a Goth store, no leather in ours though, just
pleather
and
vinyl. They carry Dickies in there too, so we have bought
them
when
they
are on the clearance racks. They do have a large variety of
band/music
t's,
by Sherry typically gets her music t's when she attends a
concert.
She
is a
huge music fan and goes to concerts/shows quite often. She is
even
working
her schooling towards going into the music business, hopefully
managing
bands, etc. She already does marketing and things with a
local
band
here
in
town.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
If I remember correctly, Mervyn's is a division of Marshall
Fields
...
as
is
Target. Yup - just dug the newspaper article out of the
*library*
(hub
constantly
drags them into the potty - lol). Currently they are
selling
off
the
Field's end
of the stores and *lower -end Mervyn's chain* (quoted from
the
newspaper)
and
hoping Federated or May's will buy them out. We don't have
the
Mervyn's
in my
area. I love Target, but stay far away from their
clothing -
have
not
had
much
luck in the quality. I swear, every shirt I have ever
purchased
from
them
has
shrunk to half its size in the first washing and that was
when
I
would
line dry my
clothing. But you can't beat their household items. Around
here
American
Eagle
is pretty non-trendy type items, much simpler styling by
standards,
less
glitz and
fuss which is why I think my daughter prefers it. Well, as
well
as
being
able to
walk in and find things small enough. g I hate the prices
though,
you
are only
paying for the name. The shoes are odd though. Around here
they
are
all
just
unisex - buy smaller size if you are a female because they
are
sized
for
men ...
at least in the converse styles. I just ran into the same
thing
with
the
pair of
Adidas she bought from Journeys. They put the mens stuff in
smaller
sizes, in the
womens section. g But these are what are considered to be
*in
style*
with all
the kids. Hot Topic is considered more of a *goth* store in
our
area
...
tons of
black, leather and chain type attire. Daughter does wander
in
on
rare
occassions,
but only buys t's - says they have great music/band t's.

My son found the Dickie's brand carried in PacSun when he
was
shopping
for
work
clothes a few weeks ago, I also believe daughter bought a
sweatshirt
at
Anchor
Blue (which she doesn't like shopping at very often) - so
evidentally
has
become a
much more popular item with the kids again. We don't have
any
work
type
stores
nearby, have to drive 45 minutes to the nearest one (Farm
and
Fleet
...
which I
love). Probably because I am stuck in yuppie heaven (or
hell,
depending
on how
you view things - lol). But Farm and Fleet is fantastic,
prices
are
great
and
always a fun place to go. Carhart seems to be the current
craze
(based
on
sonny
boy talking his dad into buying me a new jacket for
Christmas).
That
also
might
be due to the weather we endure - you don't have much need
for
the
heavier
duty/warmer clothing in your neck of the woods. G

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:10:52 -0800, "Deb in Northern
California"
wrote:

The American Eagle, Express, etc, are the stores she stays
away
from.
We
rarely step into K-Mart or Wal-Mart. I hate that they have
zero
customer
service. I typically shop Target instead for the things
that
K-Mart
or
Wal-Mart carry. We have a store called Mervyn's here that
sells
the
jeans
she likes on sale for about $22 that is very reasonable.
The
Dickies
that
she wears, are the men's, and they typically come from Work
World.
The
converse shoes are the basic black ones, nothing special
about
it
and
they
did come from Journey's, but we had to special order them,
since
she
wears
the boys/men's styles rather than the girls styles. Of any
store
that
she
shops at that would be considered trendy it would be Hot
Topic.
But
then
again, those are just t's and a few other tops she buys in
there.
She
is
such a down to earth girl. Most of the stuff she wears,
she
prefers
to
buy
in the men's/boys department and those are cheaper too.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Sounds to me like your store is one of the much smaller
ones.
I
have 4
stores in
nearby towns - one is a very small store, one is
extremely
large
...
other
two are
somewhere in between. The women's section in the one
nearest
me
is
quite
large
... well, larger than 3 racks but smaller than a
specialty
shop.
g
I
do
admit
though, that I never cared for their selection of items
in
the
larger
sizes ...
then again, I didn't care for the items in the
specialized
women's
stores
either.
I'm very picky. G

Your non-trendy daughter would have no problem shopping
in
the
Kohl's
store near
me ... they carry the lowrise levi's (carry tons of
levi's)
and
dickie
sweats.
What's rather odd is that around here, Dickie's is
considered
a
more
trendy brand
as well as those high top converse's (daughter just
looked
at
a
pair
at
Journeys
but took a pass on them) ... so maybe by CA standards she
is
not
trendy,
yet IL
standards she is??? g I have found Kohl's to have the
best
prices
on
the levi
jeans ... again, when they are on sale. I don't recall
ever
spending
more
than
$20/pair, which is cheaper than anywhere else (they
usually
run
around
$30-$40
depending on style - low rise and stretch are at the top
price
end).
Now
my
youngest daughter will not buy clothing at Kohl's, she is
more
of
a
brand
snob in
my opinion ... American Eagle, Express, etc.

I also lean towards the very basic type stylings ...
jeans,
t's,
polo's,
simple
sweaters - so is very easy to catch sales. I'm not into
*brands*,
the
house
brands are just fine by me. I picked up several polo's
during
last
years
clearance for $3/each - sweaters at the beginning of the
season
for
around
$12. I
can't touch those prices elsewhere (other than
K-mart/Wal-mart
which
fall
apart on
me after a few washings).

I guess it's just like everywhere else. You have to know
your
pricing
and
your
merchandise. I stay away from the high end designs.

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:23:24 -0800, "Deb in Northern
California"
wrote:

At this point, I am still in the larger sizes and their
larger
sized
women's
department had a lot to be desired, I think they had may
3
racks
total
of
larger size clothes, so most likely I will not be back
there
for
a
while.
The younger/junior sized things that my daughter could
fit
in
to
she
would
not be caught dead in, she is so not into the fashion
trends.
Give
her a
pair of jeans (Levi's ultra-low rise with stretch size
5),a
T-shirt
and
her
Dickies hooded sweatshirt along with her high top
Converse
shoes
and
she
is
a happy camper. She is so simple, and not trendy at
all.
It
is
nice
to
shop for her and she is not a clothes horse either so
that
is
nice
too.
On
the other hand her older sister (20 years old) loves to
shop
and
could
break
me, but since she has to spend her own money on clothes
now,
she
thinks
twice before buying something.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message

...
Give Kohls time to get going. Ours has the greatest
clearance
racks.
Stuff
70% off. Now affordable. I found a cute long dressy
skirt
there
the
other
night for $5. It might be a tad too big by the time I
plan
to
wear
it
in
May
but it will be worth taking it in at the waist for the
luncheon.

"Deb in Northern California"
wrote
in
message
news We had a Kohl's open in our town last week. This
was
the
first
wave
of
stores to open in Nor Cal. I was very disappointed
in
the
store
and
the
quality of merchandise and the prices were on the
high
side
as
far
as
I
was
concerned. But that is just my observation of going
there
last
night
and
looking for a strapless bra for my youngest
daughter.
$30+
for
a
bra
that
hold barely anything. She is a 34A.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Yup, definitely younger category ... you are the
same
age
as
our
oldest
girl
(she'll be 30 in June). She also loves Gap,
Banana
Republic,
Eddie
Bauer,
Express, etc. To me, the *normal* prices at all
these
stores
are
too
expensive.
Again, probably an age thing. What I think is
expensive,
she
thinks
is
reasonable. G I'm more of a Kohl's/Penney's
type
shopper.
G

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:16:46 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

I'll be thirty this year, so I guess I qualify in
the
younger
category.
I'm
also all of 5 ft 3 in and my torso seems to be
proportioned--I
wouldn't
know
since it's been submerged under the weight for so
long.

It's certainly clearance time. We'll be going to
Banana
Republic
for
dh
soon...I have a feeling sweaters will be
inexpensive
soon.
Last
year
we
got
him cashmere/silk blends for $7/ea.

Julie, who loves to get great bargains on
clothing.


"Joyce" wrote in message

.. .
I did buy one pair of Gap jeans on clearance,
was
a
great
deal
for
$10.
You will
get into that XL shirt. If you're younger, you
probably
don't
mind
those
shorter
styles anyway. My problem is that all my
height
is
from
the
waist
up -
so
shirts
that are cut to hit at the waist normally, will
hit
me
even
higher
up.
Not a
pretty picture on this old lady. G I did
find
some
terrific
buys
after
Christmas ... mens cotton sweaters, marked down
to
$6.
These
were
cut
so
short, I
can't imagine any man wearing them. But they
fit
me
perfectly,
and
are
just plain
unisex styling. Guess it's time once again to
check
out
the
clearance
racks. I
found out today that what few hooded
sweatshirts
I
have,
are
all
size
L
(mens) ...
much too big. This should be the right time to
pick
stuff
up
cheaply.

Joyce

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:44:48 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

No, but on clearance they are very attractive.
I
have
a
shirt
from
the
Gap
that I bought specifically as a NSV clothing
shirt.
I
paid
$1.99
for
it.
I
do hope to get into it at some point, it's an
XL.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message

.. .
I do have two pairs of jeans from the gap,
but
they
don't
seem
to
fit
as
well as
these others I have found. They fit *ok*
and
are
acceptable
...
except
for the
price. G Shirts at the Gap are definitely
made
for
younger
females,
those with
little to no chest factor. G Even my 105
pound
daughter
has
to
take
a
medium
there. They seem to be cut small and short
...
not
good
options
for
women
with
longer body lengths.

Joyce

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:01:04 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Have you been to the Gap? I know they are
more
expensive,
but
if
they
fit
right....

"Joyce" wrote in message

.. .
I tend to have the same thing, hard to
stay
focused
100%
of
the
time
when
everyone
is fussing over us. I find I kind of
relax
just
a
little
too
much.
G
But,
that's ok too - sometimes you just have
to
relax,
as
long
as
we
don't
make
it a
forever thing.

I have a tough time with jeans too, had
someone
the
other
day
tell
me
to
try the
junior sizing (yeah, right, sure - not
gonna
happen
unless
I
want
to
totally
humiliate myself). Relaxed fit is too
big
in
the
legs,
hips
and
thighs -
look
like clown pants on me. I have a pair of
carpenter
pants
on
today,
size 6
and
very baggy. I could take a 4 in these
and
probably
still
have
a
bit
of
room to
spare - they don't come in 4's. In lower
rise
jeans
I
seem
to
need
a
smaller size
than in regular cut higher waist - the
waist
is
too
snug
for
my
liking
and
I do
like to be able to breath. I haven't
tried
the
Gloria
Vanderbilt
jeans,
always
made the assumption that those *designer*
names
wouldn't
work
for
me -
maybe I
will give them a try as I saw some cute
capri's
in a
sales
ad
this
week.
I found
a new one that does fit me well though,
only
ones
in
the
Lee
brand
that
aren't
baggy in the legs ... they have a *one
true
fit*
or
something
like
that -
fits me
very nicely ... everywhere. Same with
the
Levi
Nouveau
but I
forget
which
number
(why do they assign the styles
numbers???).
The
levi's
have
a
little
stretch to
them, great in the waist but tend to get
a
tad
baggy
in
the
seat
after
a
few
hours. Oh well, I like the baggy better
than
the
constant
snug
I
used
to
deal
with. g Shirts are an entirely
different
story
with
me -
range
anywhere
from a
small to a large, depending on the store
and
brand.
I
have
no
cl
ue.

Joyce

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:13:37 -0600,
Prairie
Roots

wrote:

Thanks Joyce. I got a lot of compliments
and
attention
at
work
this
week regarding my weight loss, people
saying
things
about
how
confident I appear, that I have a more
positive
attitude,
and
just
plain look great. I think my head got a
little
puffed
up
from
all
the
compliments and that's what started all
the
other
crazy
thinking.

It's hard to find jeans that fit me. The
ubiquitous
relaxed
fit
jeans
don't work for me; I carry my weight in
my
tummy,
not
my
hips
and
thighs. Of all the brands I've tried,
Gloria
Vanderbilt
classic
fit
jeans fit me best. I too like a little
stretch
in
my
jeans,
makes
bending over not just a breathtaking
experience.
LOL
But
couldn't
find
any this shopping trip and the
non-stretch
jeans
don't
cut
off
my
oxygen supply.

Thanks again for your encouragement.

Linda P

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:58:12 -0600,
Joyce

wrote:

Hey, taking a week of following the
program
and
maintaining
is
fantastic! Call it
practice for the future, you've proved
to
yourself
that
it
can
be
done.
Congrats
on holding firm this week.

Wish I could help you with the sink
decision
...
my
decisions
are
always
to go on
the cheap side of things. G I think
both
times
we've
replaced
the
sink, we
ended up at Builders Square (or similar
home
improvement
store)
and
looking at
their discards (something that someone
else
ordered
and
couldn't/wouldn't use for
one reason or another). Many times
they
may
have
had
a
little
chip
or
scratch in
the underside - nothing noticeable or
functionable -
but
always
at
a
great
reduction and usable. Might be
something
to
think
about
or
look
into.

What a great NSV, fitting easily into
those
size
10
jeans,
smaller
tops
and much
smaller undergarments. I love the
clothing
victories
(yet
still
hate
to
shop).
Where did you ever find jeans without
stretch
though?
I
swear
that
seems to be
all that is being made these days! BUT
...
don't
write
them
off
dear.
They are
wonderfully comfortable, and I've found
rather
flattering.
They
hug
ya
in all
those places we didn't use to like
being
hugged.
G

Fight back with those other
personalities
of
yours
that
are
currently
letting
themselves be heard. Do not let them
put
a
damper
on
your
motivation
or
spirit.
You know why you should go further,
just
have
to
make
sure
you
are
louder than
those other voices. C'mon Linda (wow,
was
THAT
hard
for
me
to
say),
you
can do
it!

Joyce



On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:54:10 -0600,
Prairie
Roots

wrote:

My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded
weight:
0.0
lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in
my
weight
from
last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week.
Hitting
the
70+
total
loss
and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my
motivation
to
keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some
part
of
me
I
haven't
heard
from
before is wondering why I think I
should
even
further.

It probably didn't help that, on a
whim,
I
tried
on
a
jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and
discovered
that
it
fit.
I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and
got
into
a
classic
fit
size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also
discovered
that
the
medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head
over
to
the
foundations
department for new undergarments and
give
my
girls a
new
lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD
to
38D.

My food was off this week. More
importantly,
I
didn't
exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with
the
impending
construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current
dilemma
is
deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of
my
construction
budget
I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten
my
bike.
Later
today
I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get
cranky.
The
bus
strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier
than
usual
and
getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice
patient
whose
health
issues.
A
major
project I've been involved with at
work
is
nearing
completion
and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a
bit
of
a
breather
from
WW
this
week to marvel at my overall progress
and
to
focus
on a
few
other
pressing issues. That I ended up
maintaining
is a
wonder.

It's the best day of my life!

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

I saw some similar show a few months ago, was fun to watch. This one went as far
as having some kind of computerized recipe base built into the kitchen countertop
.... talk to it and recipes would pop up, directly into the countertop ... like
there was some kind of monitor built right into it.

I never thought about keeping the fridge computer clean, good point! The keypads
on the microwave are a pet peeve of mine, I'm constantly cleaning them. And where
would all my fridge magnets and notes all get moved to?

I can't drink room temp soda, that is the only thing that must have ice ... and
lots of it. I am a *more ice than soda* type person, on that rare occassion that
I have a soda. Water is straight from the tap, no ice necessary. The kids and
hub go through massive amounts of ice though. Not sure why it became MY job to
have to fill those trays. Probably because they left them empty until I wanted
some. G

Joyce

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:41:27 -0800, Fred wrote:

Yesterday they showed a series of appliances that were computerized.
A microwave that read bar codes and knew how to cook things and a
breadmaker that was hooked to a computer. And some other linked
stuff.

I have enough trouble keeping the keypad on the new oven clean -
forget a computer keyboard attached to a fridge! I don't do ice in
most drink. I drink soda straight from the cabinet at room
temperature. Same with fizzy bottled water. So ice is not a
necessity. My ice trays would evaporate anyway before being used.

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:46:50 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Nah, sleeping bag is a necessity for you, not a toy. Unless of course, you plan
on spending every evening in front of your fireplace, curled inside said sleeping
bag. G I'd love to have a fireplace, but as hard as we tried to find somewhere
to put one ... we just couldn't come up with a good spot. So ... no crackling
fires for me.

I have to have an icemaker, won't bend on that issue. No one else in the house
can empty trays into a bin, or refill them when they take the last cube (much like
lightbulbs burning out - I seem to be the only one who notices ... or changing
toilet paper rolls). I was plain tired of the rare occassions I wanted a soda or
tea and not having any ice available. Problem was easily solved by having an
icemaker in the fridge when we replaced it. No water dispensers or any other
gadgets though - I don't need them. But you have to admit ... a computer right on
the fridge door IS pretty neat. G I wonder if it's wireless. LOL

joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:14:08 -0800, Fred wrote:

Oh, when a choice of TOYS or other things, TOYS wins hands down. I
can't decide if a new sleeping bag is a toy or what (G)

Gas is the only way. (sitting by the gas fireplace just before
cooking dinner on gas)

I don't even have an ice maker and remove the cube tray entirely from
my fridge.

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:58:56 -0600, Joyce wrote:

That really is true. My daughter wants us to get a new fridge, and I have a
feeling we aren't too far off. Our *new* one is about 13 years old, one of the
brackets the door swings on has broken - but it still cools wonderfully and makes
ice ... so I'm not biting. Of course, she wants one of the new ones with the
computer right on the door. I have no idea why, other than she thinks it looks
neat. Probably so she can keep up her instant messaging while gazing endlessly at
the interior of the fridge (her current habit).

Ya know, I was raised on electric cooking - my mom loved it. When I got married,
I had a heck of a time adjusting to the gas and swore that at the first
opportunity I would replace with an electric range. Now I am so used to the gas I
would not consider changing. I think it's so much easier to control the heat, and
the burners cool much quicker when turned off. Other than the option of a totally
flat surface (we've talked about that before), nothing is going to get me to
switch.

I'd still rather buy toys. G

Joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:34:38 -0800, Fred wrote:

Well, for justification, I was told new refrigerators are much more
efficient than anything sold 10 or more years ago. Cooking with gas
is just entirely different than electricity that I cannot believe that
I waited so many years to return to it.

Just one man's INVALUABLE opinion (G)

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:25:21 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm the same way, can't justify replacing something that is still working ... no
matter how outdated it is or how bad I really would like a more current model.
Well, except for my computers. Those I have no trouble replacing early. G
Guess we all have our priorites. G

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 06:13:56 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

Hey, My kitchen stuff is still green, I want to replace it and need to but
can't while it is still working. Dish washer just got replaced after three
years with out one. DH offered to buy me a new one but I couldn't justify
it,so when he ran across one for $138.00 I was OK with that, the
refrigerator, sink and stove are still A G, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
news:44i450175na943pi8s3ho4n7ja4ir9jgsk@4ax .com...
LOL! And I had to fight the avacado greens ... stove, fridge, double oven
AND
dishwasher (guess it blended in with the orange shag carpeting and gold
drapes).
I was so dang glad to get rid of that stuff. Now all my *stuff* is white
or black
- nice and neutral, easy to work around.

Joyce

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:55:26 -0800, Fred
wrote:

I made some comments about "vogue" when looking at stainless and was
reminded of COPPERTONE - now, there was a blast from the past!

For years, this place had an almond fridge (mine from a prior house),
a harvest gold, rollaway dishwasher (I inherited at the prior house)
and a white stove (this house). Oh, yes, the sink was stainless. Now
the sink ain't but everything else is! (G)

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:58:07 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I think it's just another one of those *personal taste* things. Why did
the woman
who lived in THIS house before me, prefer dark panelled walls, white
carpet (ah,
and orange in a few rooms) and draperies that ran wall to wall (to cover
up 40"
windows)? That's why there are so many different products on the
market - each of
us have different tastes.

Me? Add me to the *don't like, won't have* stainless steel group. I've
had it,
found it a pain to keep clean and nice looking, it always looked
scratched and
nicked up. The only way to remove finger prints, water spots and
streaking was to
constantly be wiping down with vinegar. I am not a constant type of
cleaner. G

I love the ceramic, is so much easier (for me anyway). What you think
are
scratches and stains, come out with elbow grease and ajax/comet scouring
powder.
Any residual coffee staining, fill sink with water and bleach solution
and let
soak for 30 minutes or so ... rinse and back to bright white. After 16
years,
mine still is looking grand.

Then again, it might be one of those age issues. Styles tend to go in
circles,
and I notice stainless is very vogue once again.

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:03:10 -0600, "skiur" wrote:

Forgive me, but why in the world do your friends not care for
stainless?

Julie, who can't fathom that idea.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
Thanks Lee. My sink choices are quickly narrowing to stainless steel.
I've been listening to a couple of friends who don't care for
stainless, but I have SS now and don't seem to mind the problems
they've listed. I'll be buying a new gas range/stovetop and
dishwasher, too, and am considering stainless steel finish.

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 23:27:49 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I am glad to see your attitude is so wonderful. Get stainless steel
whatever configuration you get on the sink, I love stainless steel,
Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded weight: 0.0 lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my weight from last week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting the 70+ total loss and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my motivation to keep going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part of me I haven't heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should even further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I tried on a jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and discovered that it fit. I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got into a classic fit size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also discovered that the medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over to the foundations
department for new undergarments and give my girls a new lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to 38D.

My food was off this week. More importantly, I didn't exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the impending construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current dilemma is deciding what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my construction budget I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my bike. Later today I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get cranky. The bus strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than usual and getting home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient whose health issues. A
major
project I've been involved with at work is nearing completion and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of a breather from WW this
week to marvel at my overall progress and to focus on a few other
pressing issues. That I ended up maintaining is a wonder.

It's the best day of my life!
--
Linda P
week 54: 232/159.6/WW goal 145
RAFL week 9: 167/159.6/154
next mini-goals: 157 (75 lbs total loss); 155 (10 lbs to WW goal);
154
( RAFL goal)
started WW 22-Feb-2003 | 10% target: 1-May-2003
5'4" | 50 | F




Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Dry cleaning? What's that? G Very little, if anything goes to the dry cleaner
anymore - it has become way too expensive. Those wireless homes are definitely
interesting, but seeing that we have quickly become a lazy society I do wonder if
this just adds to it. Just think. We no longer would have to leave the comfort
of our computer chairs (or wherever) to turn off lights, televisions, lock doors,
etc. Heck, at one time that was about the only activity I ever got! g

Joyce

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:35:36 -0600, "skiur" wrote:

Two years ago, I was at the National Home Builder's show in Atlanta and they
had the wireless house (or some other name equivalent) and you would not
believe what they had in the automated house! Everything from the music to
the lights were controlled by wireless measures. There was a pc that ran
the house that could be put anywhere...I think the fridge was an option as a
surface.

It even came with a unit that did dry cleaning!

Julie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Nah, sleeping bag is a necessity for you, not a toy. Unless of course,
you plan
on spending every evening in front of your fireplace, curled inside said
sleeping
bag. G I'd love to have a fireplace, but as hard as we tried to find
somewhere
to put one ... we just couldn't come up with a good spot. So ... no
crackling
fires for me.

I have to have an icemaker, won't bend on that issue. No one else in the
house
can empty trays into a bin, or refill them when they take the last cube
(much like
lightbulbs burning out - I seem to be the only one who notices ... or
changing
toilet paper rolls). I was plain tired of the rare occassions I wanted a
soda or
tea and not having any ice available. Problem was easily solved by having
an
icemaker in the fridge when we replaced it. No water dispensers or any
other
gadgets though - I don't need them. But you have to admit ... a computer
right on
the fridge door IS pretty neat. G I wonder if it's wireless. LOL

joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:14:08 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Oh, when a choice of TOYS or other things, TOYS wins hands down. I
can't decide if a new sleeping bag is a toy or what (G)

Gas is the only way. (sitting by the gas fireplace just before
cooking dinner on gas)

I don't even have an ice maker and remove the cube tray entirely from
my fridge.

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:58:56 -0600, Joyce wrote:

That really is true. My daughter wants us to get a new fridge, and I
have a
feeling we aren't too far off. Our *new* one is about 13 years old, one
of the
brackets the door swings on has broken - but it still cools wonderfully
and makes
ice ... so I'm not biting. Of course, she wants one of the new ones
with the
computer right on the door. I have no idea why, other than she thinks
it looks
neat. Probably so she can keep up her instant messaging while gazing
endlessly at
the interior of the fridge (her current habit).

Ya know, I was raised on electric cooking - my mom loved it. When I got
married,
I had a heck of a time adjusting to the gas and swore that at the first
opportunity I would replace with an electric range. Now I am so used to
the gas I
would not consider changing. I think it's so much easier to control the
heat, and
the burners cool much quicker when turned off. Other than the option of
a totally
flat surface (we've talked about that before), nothing is going to get
me to
switch.

I'd still rather buy toys. G

Joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:34:38 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Well, for justification, I was told new refrigerators are much more
efficient than anything sold 10 or more years ago. Cooking with gas
is just entirely different than electricity that I cannot believe that
I waited so many years to return to it.

Just one man's INVALUABLE opinion (G)

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:25:21 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm the same way, can't justify replacing something that is still
working ... no
matter how outdated it is or how bad I really would like a more
current model.
Well, except for my computers. Those I have no trouble replacing
early. G
Guess we all have our priorites. G

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 06:13:56 -0600, "Miss Violette"

wrote:

Hey, My kitchen stuff is still green, I want to replace it and need
to but
can't while it is still working. Dish washer just got replaced after
three
years with out one. DH offered to buy me a new one but I couldn't
justify
it,so when he ran across one for $138.00 I was OK with that, the
refrigerator, sink and stove are still A G, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
om...
LOL! And I had to fight the avacado greens ... stove, fridge,
double oven
AND
dishwasher (guess it blended in with the orange shag carpeting and
gold
drapes).
I was so dang glad to get rid of that stuff. Now all my *stuff* is
white
or black
- nice and neutral, easy to work around.

Joyce

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:55:26 -0800, Fred

wrote:

I made some comments about "vogue" when looking at stainless and
was
reminded of COPPERTONE - now, there was a blast from the past!

For years, this place had an almond fridge (mine from a prior
house),
a harvest gold, rollaway dishwasher (I inherited at the prior
house)
and a white stove (this house). Oh, yes, the sink was stainless.
Now
the sink ain't but everything else is! (G)

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:58:07 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I think it's just another one of those *personal taste* things.
Why did
the woman
who lived in THIS house before me, prefer dark panelled walls,
white
carpet (ah,
and orange in a few rooms) and draperies that ran wall to wall
(to cover
up 40"
windows)? That's why there are so many different products on the
market - each of
us have different tastes.

Me? Add me to the *don't like, won't have* stainless steel
group. I've
had it,
found it a pain to keep clean and nice looking, it always looked
scratched and
nicked up. The only way to remove finger prints, water spots and
streaking was to
constantly be wiping down with vinegar. I am not a constant type
of
cleaner. G

I love the ceramic, is so much easier (for me anyway). What you
think
are
scratches and stains, come out with elbow grease and ajax/comet
scouring
powder.
Any residual coffee staining, fill sink with water and bleach
solution
and let
soak for 30 minutes or so ... rinse and back to bright white.
After 16
years,
mine still is looking grand.

Then again, it might be one of those age issues. Styles tend to
go in
circles,
and I notice stainless is very vogue once again.

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:03:10 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

Forgive me, but why in the world do your friends not care for
stainless?

Julie, who can't fathom that idea.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
Thanks Lee. My sink choices are quickly narrowing to stainless
steel.
I've been listening to a couple of friends who don't care for
stainless, but I have SS now and don't seem to mind the
problems
they've listed. I'll be buying a new gas range/stovetop and
dishwasher, too, and am considering stainless steel finish.

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 23:27:49 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I am glad to see your attitude is so wonderful. Get
stainless steel
whatever configuration you get on the sink, I love stainless
steel,
Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded weight: 0.0 lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my weight from last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting the 70+ total
loss and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my motivation to keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part of me I haven't
heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should even further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I tried on a
jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and discovered that it
fit. I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got into a classic fit
size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also discovered that the
medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over to the
foundations
department for new undergarments and give my girls a new
lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to 38D.

My food was off this week. More importantly, I didn't
exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the impending
construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current dilemma is deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my construction
budget I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my bike. Later today
I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get cranky. The bus
strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than usual and getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient whose health
issues. A
major
project I've been involved with at work is nearing
completion and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of a breather from
WW this
week to marvel at my overall progress and to focus on a few
other
pressing issues. That I ended up maintaining is a wonder.

It's the best day of my life!
--
Linda P
week 54: 232/159.6/WW goal 145
RAFL week 9: 167/159.6/154
next mini-goals: 157 (75 lbs total loss); 155 (10 lbs to WW
goal);
154
( RAFL goal)
started WW 22-Feb-2003 | 10% target: 1-May-2003
5'4" | 50 | F




Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003