There's a short in my switch

I love sweet potato made just about any way, Lee
Fred wrote in message
...
It does allow individual flexibility and adaptions. Of course, this
concept only works if you know the older RANGE program. It worked for
me quite well. (oh, baked sweet potato is wafting up this way.... (g))

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:18:22 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

that is interesting, I like the idea that everything is fixed and that I
am
reducing food to x amount of food, I had horrible times saving up for
extras, now on flex I rarely use more than 1 or 2 points until the last
day
of my week, that is just too cool how we each can adapt the principles of
the program to suit our individual needs, Lee
Fred wrote in message
news
I'm sure you recreate it (G)

I know -ME-. I am really glad I joined when Winning Points or
whatever was the program. I would have been critically impaired (G)
by being told I had to eat 24 points each and every day. Even having
those flex points out there would not have been good enough. It would
have been this rigid, inflexible objective each day. NO WAY. That is
just not my style. Saving "excess" points was more of my style.
Also, frankly, my exercise level does not lend itself to eating all
activity points as/when earned. I still find that the next day I need
more. Altho, I think that I did learn in Europe (well, after) that I
should have been eating more each day to counter the extreme hiking
each day. I think I was TOO driven by "can't gain weight/have to
control input" when I could have used more fuel. I get this feeling
that may be what is driving the "broken switch" now. Or that's my
excuse anyway.

Well, almost off to WI..... (yikes!)

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:50:10 -0600, Prairie Roots
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 18:32:26 -0800, Fred
wrote:

I still never did alter to the ONE POINT VALUE per day, perferring
the
less anal/rigid/unforgiving daily range

Ah yes, the old Winning Points program in which you earned your extra
points instead of being given them at the beginning of ea chweek.Hm.
I've still got a spreadsheet from those days. I might try to dig that
out. Oh wait. Over the weekend I had to reformat my hard drive. That's
one thing I didn't back up.

I love sweet potato made just about any way, Lee
Fred wrote in message
...
It does allow individual flexibility and adaptions. Of course, this
concept only works if you know the older RANGE program. It worked for
me quite well. (oh, baked sweet potato is wafting up this way.... (g))

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:18:22 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

that is interesting, I like the idea that everything is fixed and that I
am
reducing food to x amount of food, I had horrible times saving up for
extras, now on flex I rarely use more than 1 or 2 points until the last
day
of my week, that is just too cool how we each can adapt the principles of
the program to suit our individual needs, Lee
Fred wrote in message
news
I'm sure you recreate it (G)

I know -ME-. I am really glad I joined when Winning Points or
whatever was the program. I would have been critically impaired (G)
by being told I had to eat 24 points each and every day. Even having
those flex points out there would not have been good enough. It would
have been this rigid, inflexible objective each day. NO WAY. That is
just not my style. Saving "excess" points was more of my style.
Also, frankly, my exercise level does not lend itself to eating all
activity points as/when earned. I still find that the next day I need
more. Altho, I think that I did learn in Europe (well, after) that I
should have been eating more each day to counter the extreme hiking
each day. I think I was TOO driven by "can't gain weight/have to
control input" when I could have used more fuel. I get this feeling
that may be what is driving the "broken switch" now. Or that's my
excuse anyway.

Well, almost off to WI..... (yikes!)

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:50:10 -0600, Prairie Roots
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 18:32:26 -0800, Fred
wrote:

I still never did alter to the ONE POINT VALUE per day, perferring
the
less anal/rigid/unforgiving daily range

Ah yes, the old Winning Points program in which you earned your extra
points instead of being given them at the beginning of ea chweek.Hm.
I've still got a spreadsheet from those days. I might try to dig that
out. Oh wait. Over the weekend I had to reformat my hard drive. That's
one thing I didn't back up.

people who do not tend toward the paranoid don't usually think others
offended, Lee, GGG
Prairie Roots wrote in message
...
Unless you're like some people I know who think someone's offended if
you wait a while and think before you respond. gd&r. I'm glad I live
several states away from you.

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:14:32 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

in some ways it is
like this group, you can respond to the messages you want and not to
others
or wait a while and think before you respond

people who do not tend toward the paranoid don't usually think others
offended, Lee, GGG
Prairie Roots wrote in message
...
Unless you're like some people I know who think someone's offended if
you wait a while and think before you respond. gd&r. I'm glad I live
several states away from you.

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:14:32 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

in some ways it is
like this group, you can respond to the messages you want and not to
others
or wait a while and think before you respond

GGG
Prairie Roots wrote in message
...
This is exactly why I think what I'm doing is the way to go for me.
Even if I do take a while to think before I respond. big grin
--
Linda P

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:14:32 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I disagree here, the shy person has the protection of the ether... they
talk as long/as personal and as frankly as they want. When it gets tough
they can "have to go now" and take a breather, if it is e-mail they can
take
the time to compose and compare the earlier e-mails, so in some ways it
is
like this group, you can respond to the messages you want and not to
others
or wait a while and think before you respond, Lee
Laura wrote in message
...
Yes it can work but I think that it helps when the 2 parties are
outgoing.
Put a shy person in the mix and it might not work well. Hard to find
out
what the other person is like if one is too shy to talk and ask
questions.

"Fred" wrote in message
...
My only comment will be that a good friend just married someone he
met
that way. They seem well-matched. So it can work....

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:35:26 -0600, Prairie Roots
wrote:

Thanks Lee. There's a lot of truth in what you wrote and I greatly
appreciate your perceptive insights. When I read through your
listing
of the ways I've changed, I noticed one significant omission: that
I've recently signed up with an online matchmaking service. Of all
the
scary things I've done, this is the scariest.

As I read through the descriptions of what people are looking for in
a
partner, or what people say to describe themselves, I feel horribly
inadequate and wonder why I think I'm bothering. Once again, the
Greek
chorus is chanting "Who am I kidding?" And then panic sets in.
Seeking
a life companion is such an act of hope, yet I feel so hopeless. And
terrified. And vulnerable: I had to think long and hard about what
and
how much I would say about this in a repy to you. But I am starting
to
talk about it with a few of my friends. Thankfully, none of them are
laughing at me (at least not in front of me!), and all of them are
sincerely helpful about offering feedback and suggestions and
reassurances. So at least I've mostly stopped feeling stupid. And
I'm
overcoming some of my self-consciousness.

By the way, just to put this into perspective, I've begun
corresponding with one person, but nothing offline. Imagine the
tailspin I'll go into if anything ever advances to that stage!!

Thanks for sparking my thinking Lee.

GGG
Prairie Roots wrote in message
...
This is exactly why I think what I'm doing is the way to go for me.
Even if I do take a while to think before I respond. big grin
--
Linda P

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:14:32 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I disagree here, the shy person has the protection of the ether... they
talk as long/as personal and as frankly as they want. When it gets tough
they can "have to go now" and take a breather, if it is e-mail they can
take
the time to compose and compare the earlier e-mails, so in some ways it
is
like this group, you can respond to the messages you want and not to
others
or wait a while and think before you respond, Lee
Laura wrote in message
...
Yes it can work but I think that it helps when the 2 parties are
outgoing.
Put a shy person in the mix and it might not work well. Hard to find
out
what the other person is like if one is too shy to talk and ask
questions.

"Fred" wrote in message
...
My only comment will be that a good friend just married someone he
met
that way. They seem well-matched. So it can work....

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:35:26 -0600, Prairie Roots
wrote:

Thanks Lee. There's a lot of truth in what you wrote and I greatly
appreciate your perceptive insights. When I read through your
listing
of the ways I've changed, I noticed one significant omission: that
I've recently signed up with an online matchmaking service. Of all
the
scary things I've done, this is the scariest.

As I read through the descriptions of what people are looking for in
a
partner, or what people say to describe themselves, I feel horribly
inadequate and wonder why I think I'm bothering. Once again, the
Greek
chorus is chanting "Who am I kidding?" And then panic sets in.
Seeking
a life companion is such an act of hope, yet I feel so hopeless. And
terrified. And vulnerable: I had to think long and hard about what
and
how much I would say about this in a repy to you. But I am starting
to
talk about it with a few of my friends. Thankfully, none of them are
laughing at me (at least not in front of me!), and all of them are
sincerely helpful about offering feedback and suggestions and
reassurances. So at least I've mostly stopped feeling stupid. And
I'm
overcoming some of my self-consciousness.

By the way, just to put this into perspective, I've begun
corresponding with one person, but nothing offline. Imagine the
tailspin I'll go into if anything ever advances to that stage!!

Thanks for sparking my thinking Lee.

I view it as the natural result because of the human need to share. Now
that you have done the work you needed to to get your issues under control
the desire to share those accomplishments with a permanent partner is just
logical to me. The reason I asked the question was very selfish. I find
very few people on line or in person that has a sense of humor and smarts
that I appreciate and you are one such person, I look forward to your posts
and would be really sad if you were not here. and *deep blush* Thank you
for being so kind in your remarks, Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
news
I don't know if what I'm doing is the "natural" result of all I've
done, unless it's an extension of coming out of hiding, which is one
way that I look at my weight loss. I also look at my weight loss as
the last bit of recovery from my marriage and divorce. So in that
sense, I guess I'm "ready," if I ever will be.

Yes, I'm nervous and anxious and yada-yada-yada about meeting someone.
But I think that would be true of just about anyone re-entering the
dating world. I also believe that the rest of the work that I need to
do can only be done once I'm in a relationship. For one thing, all
those boundary skills I've learned can only be practiced when there's
someone to keep out, or in, as the case may be.

I never thought of my inner voices as being jealous, but that's
actually a very helpful concept and fun, too.

Let me state again for the record, Lee, that you didn't offend me and
I can't imagine that you ever could. If I was offended by anything you
said, it would be because you hit a truth too close to home. But that
would be my problem because you always tell the truth in love.

I also appreciate the guts it took to post the question to find out
whether I was offended. You have no idea how much I admire you and
value your insights. And you can trust that I'm telling the truth,
being the forthright person that I am.
--
Linda P

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:06:12 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I purposely did not mention your on line dating service because that is
the
hugest step of all, and it is to me the natural result of all you have
done,
and you are right, I can't imagine trying to find a mate, but then I
can't
imagine most days that I got so very lucky with the one I have, and the
chorus is jealous that the thin cute you will be able to find the right
partner and then you will have someone else whispering in your ear and
they
won't be heard,I am glad you took my post the way I meant it, after I
sent
it I freaked myself out *talk about self doubt* and then when you
answered
everyone else big time paranoia set in, and then I realized after you
said
you were not offended you, being the forthright person you are would have
told me so, Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
Thanks Lee. There's a lot of truth in what you wrote and I greatly
appreciate your perceptive insights. When I read through your listing
of the ways I've changed, I noticed one significant omission: that
I've recently signed up with an online matchmaking service. Of all the
scary things I've done, this is the scariest.

As I read through the descriptions of what people are looking for in a
partner, or what people say to describe themselves, I feel horribly
inadequate and wonder why I think I'm bothering. Once again, the Greek
chorus is chanting "Who am I kidding?" And then panic sets in. Seeking
a life companion is such an act of hope, yet I feel so hopeless. And
terrified. And vulnerable: I had to think long and hard about what and
how much I would say about this in a repy to you. But I am starting to
talk about it with a few of my friends. Thankfully, none of them are
laughing at me (at least not in front of me!), and all of them are
sincerely helpful about offering feedback and suggestions and
reassurances. So at least I've mostly stopped feeling stupid. And I'm
overcoming some of my self-consciousness.

By the way, just to put this into perspective, I've begun
corresponding with one person, but nothing offline. Imagine the
tailspin I'll go into if anything ever advances to that stage!!

Thanks for sparking my thinking Lee.
--
Linda P, who never made it past adolescence when it comes to affairs
of the heart


On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 05:03:58 -0800, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

first of all just go back to 22 points, there, see you aren't gonna
starve.
Now let me tell you about last summer... I have seven nieces. they,
the
older ones spend some time with me. I do the laundry and not being
able
to
see was very challenging because two of the nieces are around the size
I
am
now. As I pulled pants out of the dryer or washer to hang them I got
very
frustrated and confused because I couldn't always tell their clothes
from
mine. I realized that this was totally body image and I certainly
could
NOT
be the same size as a 15 year old. I had a great deal of difficulty
with
this and then it dawned on me that maybe I didn't feel I deserve to be
this
small and who was I kidding anyway, if I were that size I would be
pretty
healthy and perhaps pretty attractive. I realized that this was my
mind
self sabotaging my efforts. You could be going through the same
things,
after all, you have redone your house, joined a bike club, gotten
advancement and recognition at your work, if you feel you are being
fraudulent and do not deserve these things because you are not worthy
then
it has to be that you are really a fat person temporarily masquerading
as
a
thin one, and being basically honest you do not like the deception so
therefore if you are fat again then everyone will se you do not
deserve
these great things you have accomplished.

I do sympathize but here is your kick in the rear**** you DO deserve
all
you
have accomplished and no amount of eating will quiet those voices,
just
turn
up the radio and go and exercise every time they start taunting you
and
maybe you will make them tired enough they will shut up, I an so sorry
you
have to go through this I know it is painful, Lee, who talks big but
goes
through similar quite often
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
You know how sometimes we talk about the 'switch,' that indefinable
moment when weight loss became possible? Well, mine's got a short or
something's gone haywire with the circuitry. I did fine last week.
But
since my WI, my eating's gone off the deepend. Don't know what set
it
off, but I just can't seem to stop. Well, not entirely true.
Yesterday, I ate well under my points after 3 days of overeating.
But
today, I ate over points again and my 35 flex points are long gone.
What's going on? For one, I think I have a mental block about 20
daily
target points. 22 points I can do, no problem. Something happens,
though, when I drop to 20 points: I think I'm going to starve, which
then sets off all sorts of cravings.

Another thing I'm battling is feeling fat. I take jeans and shirts
and
underwear out of the dryer and wonder who I thought I was kidding
when
I bought such small clothes, or i figure that maybe they've shrunk
because surely those things won't fit me. As I type this, it's
laughable. But when I'm standing in front of the dryer, I'm not
laughing. In fact, I'm close to tears because I truly do despair
about
what I'm going to wear now that all my fat clothes have been
donated.
I put my clothes anyway and when I get dressed in the morning,
everything fits. If I keep eating, though, that won't last.

I mentioned all this today to a friend at work, and she looked at me
like I was crazy and said "Where could you possibly feel fat! My
gawd,
you are so skinny." Honestly, I just don't see it. My head still
sees
me back at 232 and feeling bad about much I weigh. And then those
people inside my head start taunting me: since I'm fat and will
always
be fat, I might as well eat.

So that's what I'm dealing with. I'm gonna keep fighting this
because
the rational part of my brain is still functioning. And I do not
want
to go back. This week, though, I'll consider it a victory just to go
to my WI. I'm going to try to go to the meeting early and talk to
the
leader. Thanks for listening.
--
Linda P
232/148.8/10% goal: 138

We are still defining "intense exercise lasting more than two hours" as
being of the bicycling or hiking kind, right? G See, you've even gotten
me thinking thoughts I oughtn't be thinking while on the job.
--
Linda P

"for more than 2 hours???" I would just die instead of needing food, Lee
prairieroots wrote in message
lkaboutsupport.com...
"Bonking" as a term for passing out from low blood sugar is new to me. I
gogled the word and found this page:
http://www.drmirkin.com/fitness/1273.html

Here are the money paragraphs from that Web page:
"Bonking is common in bicycle races if a rider does not eat frequently,
but is rare in long distance running races. When you run, your leg muscles
are damaged from the constant pounding on the roads and you must slow
down.
However, you pedal in a smooth rotary motion which does not damage your
muscles, so you can continue to pedal at a rapid cadence for many hours."


"To prevent your blood sugar from dropping too low during intense exercise
lasting more than two hours, eat at least every 15 minutes. It doesn't
matter what you eat: salted peanuts, a peanut butter and jelly sandwich,
chicken, an apple, a banana or anything else. Almost all fit people can
take small amounts of food frequently during exercise without developing
stomach cramps."

Here, at last, is some guidance on what and how much to eat during a
long-distance bike ride. Half a power-bar and a slice of bread with cheese
in 6 hours was definitely not enough. No wonder you've been compensating.

But enough compensating already!

"for more than 2 hours???" I would just die instead of needing food, Lee
prairieroots wrote in message
lkaboutsupport.com...
"Bonking" as a term for passing out from low blood sugar is new to me. I
gogled the word and found this page:
http://www.drmirkin.com/fitness/1273.html

Here are the money paragraphs from that Web page:
"Bonking is common in bicycle races if a rider does not eat frequently,
but is rare in long distance running races. When you run, your leg muscles
are damaged from the constant pounding on the roads and you must slow
down.
However, you pedal in a smooth rotary motion which does not damage your
muscles, so you can continue to pedal at a rapid cadence for many hours."


"To prevent your blood sugar from dropping too low during intense exercise
lasting more than two hours, eat at least every 15 minutes. It doesn't
matter what you eat: salted peanuts, a peanut butter and jelly sandwich,
chicken, an apple, a banana or anything else. Almost all fit people can
take small amounts of food frequently during exercise without developing
stomach cramps."

Here, at last, is some guidance on what and how much to eat during a
long-distance bike ride. Half a power-bar and a slice of bread with cheese
in 6 hours was definitely not enough. No wonder you've been compensating.

But enough compensating already!