A Guilt-Ridden Valentines Day

If you can't see that cutting out harmful (high calorie/nil nutrition) food
from anyone's diet will result in weight reduction, I don't know what to
say. It doesn't take an expert to understand this and I'm not going to buy
into any attempt to make it complicated. This is not just one diet plan vs.
the many others out there, this is about permanently changing one's
perception of food in order to eliminate certain cravings so that no diet
plan is necessary. You won't find for-profit diet promoters talking this
way. But that doesn't make it wrong.

WW-like plans don't offer solutions - the most they can offer is a lifetime
maintenance plan with treats for those who follow the plan. Great for
keeping membership, bad for people who will have to monitor what they eat
for the rest of their lives and have a constant struggle keeping their
weight steady. With a healthful perception of food the cravings are
controlled and weight is maintained naturally without a diet.

This is not about me personally, but it illustrates a point. One day I
realized I had to stop smoking, so I just simply stopped right then. I
waited for the cravings to start, and when they came they were minor,
probably because I was confident I would never smoke another cigarette so
why indulge cravings? Another example: 10 years ago I realized I had
become pudgy, which I attributed to an ice cream habit. So I just stopped
eating ice cream, period. Never had ice cream since. No cravings, and I
lost the pudginess in a few weeks.

I never thought much about it at the time: this was just common sense to me.
But now, nicotine patches and weight loss programs are all the rage. I am
convinced that if I had read books on the subjects or enrolled in "plans" I
would have become indoctrinated in the *complexity* and *difficulty* of what
I wanted to accomplish and become a slave to a plan instead of focusing on a
simple change of behavior. Think of all the money the plan purveyors didn't
make from me ... )

Only a WW-like plan purveyor would claim that cutting out high calorie/nil
nutrition foods is "least successful in long term weight loss and
maintenance". Does WW use that line in their recruitment? You have to cut
them out permanently, and that takes the attitude change toward food that
I'm talking about.

I don't expect this will convince you of anything, coming as it does from an
ignorant sock puppet with inadequacy issues. That's fine, fire away.
Sarcasm won't win your argument for you, though. And I'm the one whose
weight has stayed within a ten-pound range since school.



"Nunya B." wrote in message
...
Wrong.

Smoking and drinking are not the same as being overweight. And there are
people who use a taper off method to quit both, successfully.

All I'm asking is for you to back up your claims that EVERYONE will
succeed
by completely cutting out "harmful" (still not defined) foods entirely
instead of using a moderate approach that studies have shown to be quite
successful. Your approach OTOH has been shown to be least successful in
long term weight loss and maintenance. There's plenty of science to back
it
up. Meanwhile your credibility is nil. BTW, you still haven't begun to
explain to us that if you're so right why you have to create sock puppets
to
support you.

There are plenty of slender and fit people in this group who worked hard
to
get where they are. Even the ones who have just started out are bright
enough to see through your ignorance. What you don't get is that being
overweight is not a moral issue. Overweight people don't simply lack
character. Obesity is a medical condition - a treatable one. Your
simplistic approach is naive and basically ignorant. Again, maybe you
should deal with your own inadequacy issues rather than just blathering on
about what you think you know.

--
the volleyballchick

"George" wrote in message
om...
Gee, that's kinda a tough assignment. How to prove that a person who
stops eating cake altogether will lose more weight and keep it off, than
a
person who continues to eat that cake, just less frequently. I'll go
consult the authorities and see if I can complicate this for you. (WW
has
prospered by making this subject complicated and creating lifelong plan
disciples.) By the way - to avoid distracting arguments - "cake" is
just
one example.

How many people have stopped smoking by having just one or two a day?
Or
have gotten off alcohol by having just a little nip each day?

Almost every overweight person would agree that the best solution for
them
would be to somehow stop their cravings for fattening food. They would
then automatically reduce caloric intake on a lifestyle basis and reduce
weight on a lifetime basis. No plans, no point counting, no weight
swings, no insulin spikes. The issue is not whether this is valid, but
how to accomplish it.

There are lots of weight loss experts who will give you more complicated
arguments if you're just looking for that.
.


"Nunya B." wrote in message
...

"George" wrote in message
et...
The people who continue to consider unhealthful, fattening foods as
"treats"
are resigned to a life of weight fluctuations and self-recrimination
every
time they violate a "point count" or see their weight shoot up after
giving
in to a craving. This NG is full of personal stories such as this.
("A
guilt-ridden holiday. I'm afraid to look at the scale. I blew it."
etc.)
The solution is simple - eliminate our mental picture of these types
of
foods so we no longer crave them. Doing this is not simple - it takes
more
discipline than many people are used to. But discipline is essential
to
success in many fields - stopping smoking, curing alcoholism,
excelling
in
academics or sports, etc. Successful people DO; they don't complain
how
hard the road is.

Still waiting for anything that resembles a fact for your claims. Here
I
went ahead and provided you plenty of resources to start looking at,
giving you the "serious" discussion you pretended to crave, but really
all you're doing is trolling - plain and simple. You actually cannot
handle an actual debate of the issue because your limited focus has you
believing you are right at all costs and anyone that doesn't agree with
you is somehow persecuting you. That must be why you create those sock
puppets to "back" you. Very sad. At least the posters in this group
are
working on their issues rather than in total state of denial and false
superiority.
--
the volleyballchick


"George" wrote in message
om...
This problem is bound to happen if you continue to desire fattening
foods.
Reject the WW philosophy of "a little is ok." Instead, convince
yourself
those foods are poisonous and stay away from them entirely. In fact,
they
WILL kill you in sufficient quantity. It's a simple black-white
mental
adjustment. Absolutely stay away - you don't want those foods.
Aren't
the
stakes high enough for you?


"Bazooka-Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
I was doing great on points. All week. And then Valentines Day
came.
I only ate off the Weight Watchers menu at Applebees and was still
3
or
4 points under for the day when we left the restaurant. After
dinner
we went to a frozen custard shop and...well, I have no idea how
many
points I blew there. I had almost all of my 35 weekly points to
spare,
but I'm scared I still blew it hard core. It had to be two cups of
chocolate custard (which I'm told is less fattening than vanilla)
but
it had peanut butter and bananas mixed in it. It was delicious,
but
today is my second meeting and I'm scared what the scale will say
now.


Actually considering just skipping it and foregoing the bad news.
I'm
starting week 3 today but I've only been to two meetings (had to
miss
last week due to a business trip out of town). I blew it though.
I
know I blew it. What was I thinking.

Damn holidays.

:Bazooka-Joe

"Lesanne" wrote in message
...
I know what you mean about bored. My Mom who has Alzheimer's is sick
and I have been stuck inside a lot today as well. Also I am between
courses, the weather is lousy, several of my best friends are on a trip
to New York (boy are they going to freeze...).

--
Lesanne

There are better things than feeding the troll. That's why I learned
how to knit. I can knit and watch good movies on television. Good books
and magazines are great too. Any hobby is better than responding to
someone who isn't hearing.
Sorry about your mother being sick. I think you need some pampering
too. At least you'll be warm while your friends are freezing.

Audrey

"ahmward" wrote in message
...

"Lesanne" wrote in message
...
I know what you mean about bored. My Mom who has Alzheimer's is sick and I
have been stuck inside a lot today as well. Also I am between courses, the
weather is lousy, several of my best friends are on a trip to New York
(boy are they going to freeze...).

--
Lesanne

There are better things than feeding the troll. That's why I learned how
to knit. I can knit and watch good movies on television. Good books and
magazines are great too. Any hobby is better than responding to someone
who isn't hearing.
Sorry about your mother being sick. I think you need some pampering too.
At least you'll be warm while your friends are freezing.

Audrey

I know how to knit, I'm just never seated long enough to do it Actually
I've been grading papers and doing computer work all day.
--
the volleyballchick

I do understand but do you have the money save for the vet bills, what do they call that in dogs, in cats its called intestinal septis or something like that, when the cat eats something in nature and it doesn't digest properly thereby poisoning the cat, Lee, who is sure your dogs would get sick, but I would enjoy a dhobi treatment of that anyway
Lesanne wrote in message ...
I have dogs. ... . They love critters...

--
Lesanne
"Stormmee" wrote in message ...
care friend, he might take you up on it then you wouldn't be able to buy the cake as the exterminator bill would be quite high I fear, Lee

Ah, yes. I remember the "chocolate diet". Didn't Fred's chocolate
cake have something to do with it? By the way, I have that recipe if you're
interested.

Brenda

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
One thing you will learn is that one day/one food/one meal will not
blow your entire program. We've all gone through those same feelings.
Many of us have honestly found that those occassional splurges
actually resulted in eventual larger losses. The key is to keep it
occassional. Enjoy the momentary splurge and move past it.

I remember discussing this a long time ago, think we dubbed it the
chocolate diet or something similar. lol I found that weeks I was
totally on program my losses were there but lower than weeks I threw
in a chocolate "something" indulgency. g

Hey, this is life. There will always be something. We have to learn
to accept it, make up for it later. Over the long haul, it's just a
balancing act.

Joyce

On 15 Feb 2006 11:17:26 -0800, "Bazooka-Joe"
wrote:

I was doing great on points. All week. And then Valentines Day came.
I only ate off the Weight Watchers menu at Applebees and was still 3 or
4 points under for the day when we left the restaurant. After dinner
we went to a frozen custard shop and...well, I have no idea how many
points I blew there. I had almost all of my 35 weekly points to spare,
but I'm scared I still blew it hard core. It had to be two cups of
chocolate custard (which I'm told is less fattening than vanilla) but
it had peanut butter and bananas mixed in it. It was delicious, but
today is my second meeting and I'm scared what the scale will say now.


Actually considering just skipping it and foregoing the bad news. I'm
starting week 3 today but I've only been to two meetings (had to miss
last week due to a business trip out of town). I blew it though. I
know I blew it. What was I thinking.

Damn holidays.

:Bazooka-Joe

Knitting is a great distraction. I took it up again just before Christmas.
2 pairs of socks, 7 pairs of slippers, a hat and I'm almost finished making
a poncho for my niece for her birthday.

Brenda

"ahmward" wrote in message
...

"Lesanne" wrote in message
...
I know what you mean about bored. My Mom who has Alzheimer's is sick and I
have been stuck inside a lot today as well. Also I am between courses, the
weather is lousy, several of my best friends are on a trip to New York
(boy are they going to freeze...).

--
Lesanne

There are better things than feeding the troll. That's why I learned how
to knit. I can knit and watch good movies on television. Good books and
magazines are great too. Any hobby is better than responding to someone
who isn't hearing.
Sorry about your mother being sick. I think you need some pampering too.
At least you'll be warm while your friends are freezing.

Audrey

*hands over ears, lalal nanan wowwoooo I am NOT NOT NOT listening...* Lee
Brenda Hammond wrote in message
...
Ah, yes. I remember the "chocolate diet". Didn't Fred's chocolate
cake have something to do with it? By the way, I have that recipe if
you're
interested.

Brenda

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
One thing you will learn is that one day/one food/one meal will not
blow your entire program. We've all gone through those same feelings.
Many of us have honestly found that those occassional splurges
actually resulted in eventual larger losses. The key is to keep it
occassional. Enjoy the momentary splurge and move past it.

I remember discussing this a long time ago, think we dubbed it the
chocolate diet or something similar. lol I found that weeks I was
totally on program my losses were there but lower than weeks I threw
in a chocolate "something" indulgency. g

Hey, this is life. There will always be something. We have to learn
to accept it, make up for it later. Over the long haul, it's just a
balancing act.

Joyce

On 15 Feb 2006 11:17:26 -0800, "Bazooka-Joe"
wrote:

I was doing great on points. All week. And then Valentines Day came.
I only ate off the Weight Watchers menu at Applebees and was still 3 or
4 points under for the day when we left the restaurant. After dinner
we went to a frozen custard shop and...well, I have no idea how many
points I blew there. I had almost all of my 35 weekly points to spare,
but I'm scared I still blew it hard core. It had to be two cups of
chocolate custard (which I'm told is less fattening than vanilla) but
it had peanut butter and bananas mixed in it. It was delicious, but
today is my second meeting and I'm scared what the scale will say now.


Actually considering just skipping it and foregoing the bad news. I'm
starting week 3 today but I've only been to two meetings (had to miss
last week due to a business trip out of town). I blew it though. I
know I blew it. What was I thinking.

Damn holidays.

:Bazooka-Joe

I haven't used the recipe yet and don't plan to in the near future, but will
one of these days, for some special occasion!

"Stormmee" wrote in message
...
*hands over ears, lalal nanan wowwoooo I am NOT NOT NOT listening...* Lee
Brenda Hammond wrote in message
...
Ah, yes. I remember the "chocolate diet". Didn't Fred's chocolate
cake have something to do with it? By the way, I have that recipe if
you're
interested.

Brenda

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
One thing you will learn is that one day/one food/one meal will not
blow your entire program. We've all gone through those same feelings.
Many of us have honestly found that those occassional splurges
actually resulted in eventual larger losses. The key is to keep it
occassional. Enjoy the momentary splurge and move past it.

I remember discussing this a long time ago, think we dubbed it the
chocolate diet or something similar. lol I found that weeks I was
totally on program my losses were there but lower than weeks I threw
in a chocolate "something" indulgency. g

Hey, this is life. There will always be something. We have to learn
to accept it, make up for it later. Over the long haul, it's just a
balancing act.

Joyce

On 15 Feb 2006 11:17:26 -0800, "Bazooka-Joe"
wrote:

I was doing great on points. All week. And then Valentines Day came.
I only ate off the Weight Watchers menu at Applebees and was still 3 or
4 points under for the day when we left the restaurant. After dinner
we went to a frozen custard shop and...well, I have no idea how many
points I blew there. I had almost all of my 35 weekly points to spare,
but I'm scared I still blew it hard core. It had to be two cups of
chocolate custard (which I'm told is less fattening than vanilla) but
it had peanut butter and bananas mixed in it. It was delicious, but
today is my second meeting and I'm scared what the scale will say now.


Actually considering just skipping it and foregoing the bad news. I'm
starting week 3 today but I've only been to two meetings (had to miss
last week due to a business trip out of town). I blew it though. I
know I blew it. What was I thinking.

Damn holidays.

:Bazooka-Joe