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Longest scientific study yet backs Atkins diet
"George W. Cherry" wrote in message news:j3Xsc.25881$hi6.2659601@attbi_s53... "John" wrote in message ... Bob, On noticing a distinct improvement in the tone of your posts, I decided to answer this one. The proof you are looking for is right under your nose - in your own refrigerator, in fact. I'm going to skip over most of the last post to focus on exactly what I'm talking about. On Tue, 25 May 2004 18:15:07 -0400, "Bob (this one)" wrote: But you say none of that matters. That only the weight is at issue, and, you imply, it'll all work out somehow. I can't see the conditions where packaged foods will contain the same nutrient composition because they weigh the same. I just went downstairs to look in my freezer at some prepared foods. I just picked the ones at the front. No special searching to affect the ratios. Here are some foods, portion sizes specified on the package and caloric content. Food port. cal. cal/g Mini quiches 139 g 440 cal 3.16 personal pizzas 155 g 390 cal 2.52 chicken bakes (in crust with veg) 227 g 290 cal 1.28 roasted potatoes w/herbs 154 g 270 cal 1.75 veg pot pie w/turkey 198 g 450 cal 2.27 pot stickers (shao mai) 150 g 280 cal 1.87 corn pudding 125 g 138 cal 1.10 cut wax beans 120 g 20 cal 0.17 vegetable kofta pilaf 128 g 229 cal 1.79 I don't have any full meals prepared in single packages, so I can't speak to that directly. But the USDA has them in the database and here's a sampling: BANQUET, OUR ORIGINAL Fried Chicken Meal, frozen, with Mashed Potatoes & Corn, Seasoned Sauce 228 g 470 cal 2.06 MARIE CALLENDER'S Escalloped Noodles & Chicken, frozen entree 368 g 629 cal 1.71 TYSON Roasted Chicken with Garlic Sauce, Pasta and Vegetable Medley, frozen entree 255 g 214 cal 0.84 BANQUET EXTRA HELPING Salisbury Steak Dinner, with Gravy, Mashed Potatoes and Corn in Seasoned Sauce, frozen meal 468 g 782 cal 1.67 STOUFFER'S LEAN CUISINE HOMESTYLE Beef Pot Roast with Whipped Potatoes, frozen entree 255 g 207 cal 0.81 STOUFFER'S HOMESTYLE Salisbury Steak in Gravy & Macaroni and Cheese, frozen entree 272 g 386 cal 1.42 The range of possibilities shown above is rather wide. Obviously, more food than just this is necessary to reach the 2 pounds. Caloric beverages. More fruit and veg. If only eating two meals a day for a total of 2 pounds and assuming a lightish breakfast as you imply; two poached eggs, large 100 g 294 cal 1/2 cup muesli with 1/2 cup milk 93 g 195 cal apple, medium 138 g 72 cal makes for a total of 331 g 561 calories. I calculated the average caloric density of the items you report as being in your refrigerator (plus the above breakfast and USDA meals) and I see 18 items with an average density of 1.64 cal/gm. Two pounds of randomly selected food from your refrigerator (and the other stuff you mentioned) would provide 1500 calories. A 1500 cal/day diet is not a "concentration camp" diet. But many people would probably lose weight on this level of consumption. Under the 2PD diet, you don't need to read the labels, worry about exactly how big a "portion" is, etc - you just weigh what you actually eat. You stop eating for the day when the total hits 2 pounds. In so doing, you will average 1500 cal/day based on the contents of your own refrigerator. It's safe to assume that it is food you like and find appealing or else it wouldn't be in your refrigerator. If we assume you eat everything in there before refilling it (and restock it identically), the above statistic will continue to apply. Some days you'll consume more than 1500 calories, other days you'll consume less but you'll average 1500 cal/day. Thanks for the data. I rest my case. ;-) John Bob ought to stock his refrigerator with foods which have lower calorie density. Vegetables and fruits typ- ically have a calorie density of 0.5 or less. Fat-free plain yogurt has a calorie density of about 0.5. So does oatmeal. So does tofu. A cucumber has a cal- orie density of only 0.1 or so. Eat food like this to satiety and then eat some nuts or seeds and swallow a couple of Menhaden fish oil capsules. George I'll go even further off topic here. I like the idea of calorie density but I would think it would be useful to have a similar quantity, call it Q, which represents the number of pounds gained (or not lost) per pound of the item consumed. I think this would be the calorie count per pound divided by 3600. Butter would be close to 1. (If you eat a pound of butter, over and above your daily requirement, you will gain nearly a pound I think.) Water would be zero. Thus, someone could look at a 6 oz chocolate bar and know right away what eating that would translate into in terms of weight gain. (E.g. if Q=.5 then it would be 3 oz.) Bill |
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Longest scientific study yet backs Atkins diet
George W. Cherry wrote:
"John" wrote in message ... Bob, On noticing a distinct improvement in the tone of your posts, I decided to answer this one. The proof you are looking for is right under your nose - in your own refrigerator, in fact. I'm going to skip over most of the last post to focus on exactly what I'm talking about. On Tue, 25 May 2004 18:15:07 -0400, "Bob (this one)" wrote: But you say none of that matters. That only the weight is at issue, and, you imply, it'll all work out somehow. I can't see the conditions where packaged foods will contain the same nutrient composition because they weigh the same. I just went downstairs to look in my freezer at some prepared foods. I just picked the ones at the front. No special searching to affect the ratios. Here are some foods, portion sizes specified on the package and caloric content. Food port. cal. cal/g Mini quiches 139 g 440 cal 3.16 personal pizzas 155 g 390 cal 2.52 chicken bakes (in crust with veg) 227 g 290 cal 1.28 roasted potatoes w/herbs 154 g 270 cal 1.75 veg pot pie w/turkey 198 g 450 cal 2.27 pot stickers (shao mai) 150 g 280 cal 1.87 corn pudding 125 g 138 cal 1.10 cut wax beans 120 g 20 cal 0.17 vegetable kofta pilaf 128 g 229 cal 1.79 I don't have any full meals prepared in single packages, so I can't speak to that directly. But the USDA has them in the database and here's a sampling: BANQUET, OUR ORIGINAL Fried Chicken Meal, frozen, with Mashed Potatoes & Corn, Seasoned Sauce 228 g 470 cal 2.06 MARIE CALLENDER'S Escalloped Noodles & Chicken, frozen entree 368 g 629 cal 1.71 TYSON Roasted Chicken with Garlic Sauce, Pasta and Vegetable Medley, frozen entree 255 g 214 cal 0.84 BANQUET EXTRA HELPING Salisbury Steak Dinner, with Gravy, Mashed Potatoes and Corn in Seasoned Sauce, frozen meal 468 g 782 cal 1.67 STOUFFER'S LEAN CUISINE HOMESTYLE Beef Pot Roast with Whipped Potatoes, frozen entree 255 g 207 cal 0.81 STOUFFER'S HOMESTYLE Salisbury Steak in Gravy & Macaroni and Cheese, frozen entree 272 g 386 cal 1.42 The range of possibilities shown above is rather wide. Obviously, more food than just this is necessary to reach the 2 pounds. Caloric beverages. More fruit and veg. If only eating two meals a day for a total of 2 pounds and assuming a lightish breakfast as you imply; two poached eggs, large 100 g 294 cal 1/2 cup muesli with 1/2 cup milk 93 g 195 cal apple, medium 138 g 72 cal makes for a total of 331 g 561 calories. I calculated the average caloric density of the items you report as being in your refrigerator (plus the above breakfast and USDA meals) and I see 18 items with an average density of 1.64 cal/gm. Two pounds of randomly selected food from your refrigerator (and the other stuff you mentioned) would provide 1500 calories. A 1500 cal/day diet is not a "concentration camp" diet. But many people would probably lose weight on this level of consumption. Under the 2PD diet, you don't need to read the labels, worry about exactly how big a "portion" is, etc - you just weigh what you actually eat. You stop eating for the day when the total hits 2 pounds. In so doing, you will average 1500 cal/day based on the contents of your own refrigerator. It's safe to assume that it is food you like and find appealing or else it wouldn't be in your refrigerator. If we assume you eat everything in there before refilling it (and restock it identically), the above statistic will continue to apply. Some days you'll consume more than 1500 calories, other days you'll consume less but you'll average 1500 cal/day. Thanks for the data. I rest my case. ;-) John Bob ought to stock his refrigerator with foods which have lower calorie density. Bob does stock his fridge with better foods than these. The ones at the top of the list are, indeed, in my freezer, but not for me. The rest were picked off the USDA database as exemplars for calculations, not something I'd eat. Caloric density only means that I need to be moderate in my consumption of them, if it's high, not that I need to discard anything high in calories for that reason alone. Vegetables and fruits typically have a calorie density of 0.5 or less. Fat-free plain yogurt has a calorie density of about 0.5. So does oatmeal. So does tofu. A cucumber has a calorie density of only 0.1 or so. Eat food like this to satiety and then eat some nuts or seeds and swallow a couple of Menhaden fish oil capsules. I'm afraid I find this sort of menu unappealing. I know it works for many people, but for me, food is more than just fuel. I do eat all the foods mentioned (except fat-free yogurt - I make my own), I just don't eat them this way. Nor am I interested in this sort of spartan approach to calorie restriction. I'd rather eat foods that appeal to me. That gives me more satisfaction and better satiety. A vegetarian dietary regimen isn't something I would do. I take 4 fish oil caps a day but I certainly don't consider them part of my food allotment. Bob |
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Longest scientific study yet backs Atkins diet
"George W. Cherry" wrote in message news:j3Xsc.25881$hi6.2659601@attbi_s53...
"John" wrote in message ... Bob, On noticing a distinct improvement in the tone of your posts, I decided to answer this one. The proof you are looking for is right under your nose - in your own refrigerator, in fact. I'm going to skip over most of the last post to focus on exactly what I'm talking about. On Tue, 25 May 2004 18:15:07 -0400, "Bob (this one)" wrote: But you say none of that matters. That only the weight is at issue, and, you imply, it'll all work out somehow. I can't see the conditions where packaged foods will contain the same nutrient composition because they weigh the same. I just went downstairs to look in my freezer at some prepared foods. I just picked the ones at the front. No special searching to affect the ratios. Here are some foods, portion sizes specified on the package and caloric content. Food port. cal. cal/g Mini quiches 139 g 440 cal 3.16 personal pizzas 155 g 390 cal 2.52 chicken bakes (in crust with veg) 227 g 290 cal 1.28 roasted potatoes w/herbs 154 g 270 cal 1.75 veg pot pie w/turkey 198 g 450 cal 2.27 pot stickers (shao mai) 150 g 280 cal 1.87 corn pudding 125 g 138 cal 1.10 cut wax beans 120 g 20 cal 0.17 vegetable kofta pilaf 128 g 229 cal 1.79 I don't have any full meals prepared in single packages, so I can't speak to that directly. But the USDA has them in the database and here's a sampling: BANQUET, OUR ORIGINAL Fried Chicken Meal, frozen, with Mashed Potatoes & Corn, Seasoned Sauce 228 g 470 cal 2.06 MARIE CALLENDER'S Escalloped Noodles & Chicken, frozen entree 368 g 629 cal 1.71 TYSON Roasted Chicken with Garlic Sauce, Pasta and Vegetable Medley, frozen entree 255 g 214 cal 0.84 BANQUET EXTRA HELPING Salisbury Steak Dinner, with Gravy, Mashed Potatoes and Corn in Seasoned Sauce, frozen meal 468 g 782 cal 1.67 STOUFFER'S LEAN CUISINE HOMESTYLE Beef Pot Roast with Whipped Potatoes, frozen entree 255 g 207 cal 0.81 STOUFFER'S HOMESTYLE Salisbury Steak in Gravy & Macaroni and Cheese, frozen entree 272 g 386 cal 1.42 The range of possibilities shown above is rather wide. Obviously, more food than just this is necessary to reach the 2 pounds. Caloric beverages. More fruit and veg. If only eating two meals a day for a total of 2 pounds and assuming a lightish breakfast as you imply; two poached eggs, large 100 g 294 cal 1/2 cup muesli with 1/2 cup milk 93 g 195 cal apple, medium 138 g 72 cal makes for a total of 331 g 561 calories. I calculated the average caloric density of the items you report as being in your refrigerator (plus the above breakfast and USDA meals) and I see 18 items with an average density of 1.64 cal/gm. Two pounds of randomly selected food from your refrigerator (and the other stuff you mentioned) would provide 1500 calories. A 1500 cal/day diet is not a "concentration camp" diet. But many people would probably lose weight on this level of consumption. Under the 2PD diet, you don't need to read the labels, worry about exactly how big a "portion" is, etc - you just weigh what you actually eat. You stop eating for the day when the total hits 2 pounds. In so doing, you will average 1500 cal/day based on the contents of your own refrigerator. It's safe to assume that it is food you like and find appealing or else it wouldn't be in your refrigerator. If we assume you eat everything in there before refilling it (and restock it identically), the above statistic will continue to apply. Some days you'll consume more than 1500 calories, other days you'll consume less but you'll average 1500 cal/day. Thanks for the data. I rest my case. ;-) John Bob ought to stock his refrigerator with foods which have lower calorie density. Vegetables and fruits typ- ically have a calorie density of 0.5 or less. Fat-free plain yogurt has a calorie density of about 0.5. So does oatmeal. So does tofu. A cucumber has a cal- orie density of only 0.1 or so. Eat food like this to satiety and then eat some nuts or seeds and swallow a couple of Menhaden fish oil capsules. Maybe this works for you; it doesn't work for me. I could eat tons of such food and never reach satiety. The opposite approach works for me. I lost 60 lbs eating small (but satisfying) portions of high-fat foods. George |
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Longest scientific study yet backs Atkins diet
Tony Lew wrote:
"George W. Cherry" wrote in message news:j3Xsc.25881$hi6.2659601@attbi_s53... "John" wrote in message ... Bob, On noticing a distinct improvement in the tone of your posts, I decided to answer this one. The proof you are looking for is right under your nose - in your own refrigerator, in fact. I'm going to skip over most of the last post to focus on exactly what I'm talking about. On Tue, 25 May 2004 18:15:07 -0400, "Bob (this one)" wrote: But you say none of that matters. That only the weight is at issue, and, you imply, it'll all work out somehow. I can't see the conditions where packaged foods will contain the same nutrient composition because they weigh the same. I just went downstairs to look in my freezer at some prepared foods. I just picked the ones at the front. No special searching to affect the ratios. Here are some foods, portion sizes specified on the package and caloric content. Food port. cal. cal/g Mini quiches 139 g 440 cal 3.16 personal pizzas 155 g 390 cal 2.52 chicken bakes (in crust with veg) 227 g 290 cal 1.28 roasted potatoes w/herbs 154 g 270 cal 1.75 veg pot pie w/turkey 198 g 450 cal 2.27 pot stickers (shao mai) 150 g 280 cal 1.87 corn pudding 125 g 138 cal 1.10 cut wax beans 120 g 20 cal 0.17 vegetable kofta pilaf 128 g 229 cal 1.79 I don't have any full meals prepared in single packages, so I can't speak to that directly. But the USDA has them in the database and here's a sampling: BANQUET, OUR ORIGINAL Fried Chicken Meal, frozen, with Mashed Potatoes & Corn, Seasoned Sauce 228 g 470 cal 2.06 MARIE CALLENDER'S Escalloped Noodles & Chicken, frozen entree 368 g 629 cal 1.71 TYSON Roasted Chicken with Garlic Sauce, Pasta and Vegetable Medley, frozen entree 255 g 214 cal 0.84 BANQUET EXTRA HELPING Salisbury Steak Dinner, with Gravy, Mashed Potatoes and Corn in Seasoned Sauce, frozen meal 468 g 782 cal 1.67 STOUFFER'S LEAN CUISINE HOMESTYLE Beef Pot Roast with Whipped Potatoes, frozen entree 255 g 207 cal 0.81 STOUFFER'S HOMESTYLE Salisbury Steak in Gravy & Macaroni and Cheese, frozen entree 272 g 386 cal 1.42 The range of possibilities shown above is rather wide. Obviously, more food than just this is necessary to reach the 2 pounds. Caloric beverages. More fruit and veg. If only eating two meals a day for a total of 2 pounds and assuming a lightish breakfast as you imply; two poached eggs, large 100 g 294 cal 1/2 cup muesli with 1/2 cup milk 93 g 195 cal apple, medium 138 g 72 cal makes for a total of 331 g 561 calories. I calculated the average caloric density of the items you report as being in your refrigerator (plus the above breakfast and USDA meals) and I see 18 items with an average density of 1.64 cal/gm. Two pounds of randomly selected food from your refrigerator (and the other stuff you mentioned) would provide 1500 calories. A 1500 cal/day diet is not a "concentration camp" diet. But many people would probably lose weight on this level of consumption. Under the 2PD diet, you don't need to read the labels, worry about exactly how big a "portion" is, etc - you just weigh what you actually eat. You stop eating for the day when the total hits 2 pounds. In so doing, you will average 1500 cal/day based on the contents of your own refrigerator. It's safe to assume that it is food you like and find appealing or else it wouldn't be in your refrigerator. If we assume you eat everything in there before refilling it (and restock it identically), the above statistic will continue to apply. Some days you'll consume more than 1500 calories, other days you'll consume less but you'll average 1500 cal/day. Thanks for the data. I rest my case. ;-) John Bob ought to stock his refrigerator with foods which have lower calorie density. Vegetables and fruits typ- ically have a calorie density of 0.5 or less. Fat-free plain yogurt has a calorie density of about 0.5. So does oatmeal. So does tofu. A cucumber has a cal- orie density of only 0.1 or so. Eat food like this to satiety and then eat some nuts or seeds and swallow a couple of Menhaden fish oil capsules. Maybe this works for you; it doesn't work for me. I could eat tons of such food and never reach satiety. The opposite approach works for me. I lost 60 lbs eating small (but satisfying) portions of high-fat foods. Why do you feel that you must reach satiety? Do you believe you will die if you don't? Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48 Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867 |
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Longest scientific study yet backs Atkins diet
Bill wrote:
"George W. Cherry" wrote in message news:j3Xsc.25881$hi6.2659601@attbi_s53... "John" wrote in message ... Bob, On noticing a distinct improvement in the tone of your posts, I decided to answer this one. The proof you are looking for is right under your nose - in your own refrigerator, in fact. I'm going to skip over most of the last post to focus on exactly what I'm talking about. On Tue, 25 May 2004 18:15:07 -0400, "Bob (this one)" wrote: But you say none of that matters. That only the weight is at issue, and, you imply, it'll all work out somehow. I can't see the conditions where packaged foods will contain the same nutrient composition because they weigh the same. I just went downstairs to look in my freezer at some prepared foods. I just picked the ones at the front. No special searching to affect the ratios. Here are some foods, portion sizes specified on the package and caloric content. Food port. cal. cal/g Mini quiches 139 g 440 cal 3.16 personal pizzas 155 g 390 cal 2.52 chicken bakes (in crust with veg) 227 g 290 cal 1.28 roasted potatoes w/herbs 154 g 270 cal 1.75 veg pot pie w/turkey 198 g 450 cal 2.27 pot stickers (shao mai) 150 g 280 cal 1.87 corn pudding 125 g 138 cal 1.10 cut wax beans 120 g 20 cal 0.17 vegetable kofta pilaf 128 g 229 cal 1.79 I don't have any full meals prepared in single packages, so I can't speak to that directly. But the USDA has them in the database and here's a sampling: BANQUET, OUR ORIGINAL Fried Chicken Meal, frozen, with Mashed Potatoes & Corn, Seasoned Sauce 228 g 470 cal 2.06 MARIE CALLENDER'S Escalloped Noodles & Chicken, frozen entree 368 g 629 cal 1.71 TYSON Roasted Chicken with Garlic Sauce, Pasta and Vegetable Medley, frozen entree 255 g 214 cal 0.84 BANQUET EXTRA HELPING Salisbury Steak Dinner, with Gravy, Mashed Potatoes and Corn in Seasoned Sauce, frozen meal 468 g 782 cal 1.67 STOUFFER'S LEAN CUISINE HOMESTYLE Beef Pot Roast with Whipped Potatoes, frozen entree 255 g 207 cal 0.81 STOUFFER'S HOMESTYLE Salisbury Steak in Gravy & Macaroni and Cheese, frozen entree 272 g 386 cal 1.42 The range of possibilities shown above is rather wide. Obviously, more food than just this is necessary to reach the 2 pounds. Caloric beverages. More fruit and veg. If only eating two meals a day for a total of 2 pounds and assuming a lightish breakfast as you imply; two poached eggs, large 100 g 294 cal 1/2 cup muesli with 1/2 cup milk 93 g 195 cal apple, medium 138 g 72 cal makes for a total of 331 g 561 calories. I calculated the average caloric density of the items you report as being in your refrigerator (plus the above breakfast and USDA meals) and I see 18 items with an average density of 1.64 cal/gm. Two pounds of randomly selected food from your refrigerator (and the other stuff you mentioned) would provide 1500 calories. A 1500 cal/day diet is not a "concentration camp" diet. But many people would probably lose weight on this level of consumption. Under the 2PD diet, you don't need to read the labels, worry about exactly how big a "portion" is, etc - you just weigh what you actually eat. You stop eating for the day when the total hits 2 pounds. In so doing, you will average 1500 cal/day based on the contents of your own refrigerator. It's safe to assume that it is food you like and find appealing or else it wouldn't be in your refrigerator. If we assume you eat everything in there before refilling it (and restock it identically), the above statistic will continue to apply. Some days you'll consume more than 1500 calories, other days you'll consume less but you'll average 1500 cal/day. Thanks for the data. I rest my case. ;-) John Bob ought to stock his refrigerator with foods which have lower calorie density. Vegetables and fruits typ- ically have a calorie density of 0.5 or less. Fat-free plain yogurt has a calorie density of about 0.5. So does oatmeal. So does tofu. A cucumber has a cal- orie density of only 0.1 or so. Eat food like this to satiety and then eat some nuts or seeds and swallow a couple of Menhaden fish oil capsules. George I'll go even further off topic here. I like the idea of calorie density but I would think it would be useful to have a similar quantity, call it Q, which represents the number of pounds gained (or not lost) per pound of the item consumed. I think this would be the calorie count per pound divided by 3600. Butter would be close to 1. (If you eat a pound of butter, over and above your daily requirement, you will gain nearly a pound I think.) Water would be zero. Thus, someone could look at a 6 oz chocolate bar and know right away what eating that would translate into in terms of weight gain. (E.g. if Q=.5 then it would be 3 oz.) Bill Glycogen storage would confound your Q. Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48 Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867 |
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Longest scientific study yet backs Atkins diet
John wrote:
Bob, On noticing a distinct improvement in the tone of your posts, I decided to answer this one. The proof you are looking for is right under your nose - in your own refrigerator, in fact. I'm going to skip over most of the last post to focus on exactly what I'm talking about. On Tue, 25 May 2004 18:15:07 -0400, "Bob (this one)" wrote: But you say none of that matters. That only the weight is at issue, and, you imply, it'll all work out somehow. I can't see the conditions where packaged foods will contain the same nutrient composition because they weigh the same. I just went downstairs to look in my freezer at some prepared foods. I just picked the ones at the front. No special searching to affect the ratios. Here are some foods, portion sizes specified on the package and caloric content. Food port. cal. cal/g Mini quiches 139 g 440 cal 3.16 personal pizzas 155 g 390 cal 2.52 chicken bakes (in crust with veg) 227 g 290 cal 1.28 roasted potatoes w/herbs 154 g 270 cal 1.75 veg pot pie w/turkey 198 g 450 cal 2.27 pot stickers (shao mai) 150 g 280 cal 1.87 corn pudding 125 g 138 cal 1.10 cut wax beans 120 g 20 cal 0.17 vegetable kofta pilaf 128 g 229 cal 1.79 I don't have any full meals prepared in single packages, so I can't speak to that directly. But the USDA has them in the database and here's a sampling: BANQUET, OUR ORIGINAL Fried Chicken Meal, frozen, with Mashed Potatoes & Corn, Seasoned Sauce 228 g 470 cal 2.06 MARIE CALLENDER'S Escalloped Noodles & Chicken, frozen entree 368 g 629 cal 1.71 TYSON Roasted Chicken with Garlic Sauce, Pasta and Vegetable Medley, frozen entree 255 g 214 cal 0.84 BANQUET EXTRA HELPING Salisbury Steak Dinner, with Gravy, Mashed Potatoes and Corn in Seasoned Sauce, frozen meal 468 g 782 cal 1.67 STOUFFER'S LEAN CUISINE HOMESTYLE Beef Pot Roast with Whipped Potatoes, frozen entree 255 g 207 cal 0.81 STOUFFER'S HOMESTYLE Salisbury Steak in Gravy & Macaroni and Cheese, frozen entree 272 g 386 cal 1.42 The range of possibilities shown above is rather wide. Obviously, more food than just this is necessary to reach the 2 pounds. Caloric beverages. More fruit and veg. If only eating two meals a day for a total of 2 pounds and assuming a lightish breakfast as you imply; two poached eggs, large 100 g 294 cal 1/2 cup muesli with 1/2 cup milk 93 g 195 cal apple, medium 138 g 72 cal makes for a total of 331 g 561 calories. I calculated the average caloric density of the items you report as being in your refrigerator (plus the above breakfast and USDA meals) and I see 18 items with an average density of 1.64 cal/gm. Two pounds of randomly selected food from your refrigerator (and the other stuff you mentioned) would provide 1500 calories. A 1500 cal/day diet is not a "concentration camp" diet. But many people would probably lose weight on this level of consumption. Under the 2PD diet, you don't need to read the labels, worry about exactly how big a "portion" is, etc - you just weigh what you actually eat. You stop eating for the day when the total hits 2 pounds. In so doing, you will average 1500 cal/day based on the contents of your own refrigerator. It's safe to assume that it is food you like and find appealing or else it wouldn't be in your refrigerator. If we assume you eat everything in there before refilling it (and restock it identically), the above statistic will continue to apply. Some days you'll consume more than 1500 calories, other days you'll consume less but you'll average 1500 cal/day. Thanks for the data. I rest my case. ;-) John Well written, brother. May God continue to bless you and yours in Christ's name. Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48 Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867 |
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"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message ... Bill wrote: "George W. Cherry" wrote in message news:j3Xsc.25881$hi6.2659601@attbi_s53... "John" wrote in message ... Bob, On noticing a distinct improvement in the tone of your posts, I decided to answer this one. The proof you are looking for is right under your nose - in your own refrigerator, in fact. I'm going to skip over most of the last post to focus on exactly what I'm talking about. On Tue, 25 May 2004 18:15:07 -0400, "Bob (this one)" wrote: But you say none of that matters. That only the weight is at issue, and, you imply, it'll all work out somehow. I can't see the conditions where packaged foods will contain the same nutrient composition because they weigh the same. I just went downstairs to look in my freezer at some prepared foods. I just picked the ones at the front. No special searching to affect the ratios. Here are some foods, portion sizes specified on the package and caloric content. Food port. cal. cal/g Mini quiches 139 g 440 cal 3.16 personal pizzas 155 g 390 cal 2.52 chicken bakes (in crust with veg) 227 g 290 cal 1.28 roasted potatoes w/herbs 154 g 270 cal 1.75 veg pot pie w/turkey 198 g 450 cal 2.27 pot stickers (shao mai) 150 g 280 cal 1.87 corn pudding 125 g 138 cal 1.10 cut wax beans 120 g 20 cal 0.17 vegetable kofta pilaf 128 g 229 cal 1.79 I don't have any full meals prepared in single packages, so I can't speak to that directly. But the USDA has them in the database and here's a sampling: BANQUET, OUR ORIGINAL Fried Chicken Meal, frozen, with Mashed Potatoes & Corn, Seasoned Sauce 228 g 470 cal 2.06 MARIE CALLENDER'S Escalloped Noodles & Chicken, frozen entree 368 g 629 cal 1.71 TYSON Roasted Chicken with Garlic Sauce, Pasta and Vegetable Medley, frozen entree 255 g 214 cal 0.84 BANQUET EXTRA HELPING Salisbury Steak Dinner, with Gravy, Mashed Potatoes and Corn in Seasoned Sauce, frozen meal 468 g 782 cal 1.67 STOUFFER'S LEAN CUISINE HOMESTYLE Beef Pot Roast with Whipped Potatoes, frozen entree 255 g 207 cal 0.81 STOUFFER'S HOMESTYLE Salisbury Steak in Gravy & Macaroni and Cheese, frozen entree 272 g 386 cal 1.42 The range of possibilities shown above is rather wide. Obviously, more food than just this is necessary to reach the 2 pounds. Caloric beverages. More fruit and veg. If only eating two meals a day for a total of 2 pounds and assuming a lightish breakfast as you imply; two poached eggs, large 100 g 294 cal 1/2 cup muesli with 1/2 cup milk 93 g 195 cal apple, medium 138 g 72 cal makes for a total of 331 g 561 calories. I calculated the average caloric density of the items you report as being in your refrigerator (plus the above breakfast and USDA meals) and I see 18 items with an average density of 1.64 cal/gm. Two pounds of randomly selected food from your refrigerator (and the other stuff you mentioned) would provide 1500 calories. A 1500 cal/day diet is not a "concentration camp" diet. But many people would probably lose weight on this level of consumption. Under the 2PD diet, you don't need to read the labels, worry about exactly how big a "portion" is, etc - you just weigh what you actually eat. You stop eating for the day when the total hits 2 pounds. In so doing, you will average 1500 cal/day based on the contents of your own refrigerator. It's safe to assume that it is food you like and find appealing or else it wouldn't be in your refrigerator. If we assume you eat everything in there before refilling it (and restock it identically), the above statistic will continue to apply. Some days you'll consume more than 1500 calories, other days you'll consume less but you'll average 1500 cal/day. Thanks for the data. I rest my case. ;-) John Bob ought to stock his refrigerator with foods which have lower calorie density. Vegetables and fruits typ- ically have a calorie density of 0.5 or less. Fat-free plain yogurt has a calorie density of about 0.5. So does oatmeal. So does tofu. A cucumber has a cal- orie density of only 0.1 or so. Eat food like this to satiety and then eat some nuts or seeds and swallow a couple of Menhaden fish oil capsules. George I'll go even further off topic here. I like the idea of calorie density but I would think it would be useful to have a similar quantity, call it Q, which represents the number of pounds gained (or not lost) per pound of the item consumed. I think this would be the calorie count per pound divided by 3600. Butter would be close to 1. (If you eat a pound of butter, over and above your daily requirement, you will gain nearly a pound I think.) Water would be zero. Thus, someone could look at a 6 oz chocolate bar and know right away what eating that would translate into in terms of weight gain. (E.g. if Q=.5 then it would be 3 oz.) Bill Glycogen storage would confound your Q. Could you elaborate. I am focused on the specific impact of eating a chocolate bar on weight gain, say, a week later assuming nothing else happens. Thanks. Bill Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. 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Longest scientific study yet backs Atkins diet
Bill wrote:
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message ... Bill wrote: "George W. Cherry" wrote in message news:j3Xsc.25881$hi6.2659601@attbi_s53... "John" wrote in message ... Bob, On noticing a distinct improvement in the tone of your posts, I decided to answer this one. The proof you are looking for is right under your nose - in your own refrigerator, in fact. I'm going to skip over most of the last post to focus on exactly what I'm talking about. On Tue, 25 May 2004 18:15:07 -0400, "Bob (this one)" wrote: But you say none of that matters. That only the weight is at issue, and, you imply, it'll all work out somehow. I can't see the conditions where packaged foods will contain the same nutrient composition because they weigh the same. I just went downstairs to look in my freezer at some prepared foods. I just picked the ones at the front. No special searching to affect the ratios. Here are some foods, portion sizes specified on the package and caloric content. Food port. cal. cal/g Mini quiches 139 g 440 cal 3.16 personal pizzas 155 g 390 cal 2.52 chicken bakes (in crust with veg) 227 g 290 cal 1.28 roasted potatoes w/herbs 154 g 270 cal 1.75 veg pot pie w/turkey 198 g 450 cal 2.27 pot stickers (shao mai) 150 g 280 cal 1.87 corn pudding 125 g 138 cal 1.10 cut wax beans 120 g 20 cal 0.17 vegetable kofta pilaf 128 g 229 cal 1.79 I don't have any full meals prepared in single packages, so I can't speak to that directly. But the USDA has them in the database and here's a sampling: BANQUET, OUR ORIGINAL Fried Chicken Meal, frozen, with Mashed Potatoes & Corn, Seasoned Sauce 228 g 470 cal 2.06 MARIE CALLENDER'S Escalloped Noodles & Chicken, frozen entree 368 g 629 cal 1.71 TYSON Roasted Chicken with Garlic Sauce, Pasta and Vegetable Medley, frozen entree 255 g 214 cal 0.84 BANQUET EXTRA HELPING Salisbury Steak Dinner, with Gravy, Mashed Potatoes and Corn in Seasoned Sauce, frozen meal 468 g 782 cal 1.67 STOUFFER'S LEAN CUISINE HOMESTYLE Beef Pot Roast with Whipped Potatoes, frozen entree 255 g 207 cal 0.81 STOUFFER'S HOMESTYLE Salisbury Steak in Gravy & Macaroni and Cheese, frozen entree 272 g 386 cal 1.42 The range of possibilities shown above is rather wide. Obviously, more food than just this is necessary to reach the 2 pounds. Caloric beverages. More fruit and veg. If only eating two meals a day for a total of 2 pounds and assuming a lightish breakfast as you imply; two poached eggs, large 100 g 294 cal 1/2 cup muesli with 1/2 cup milk 93 g 195 cal apple, medium 138 g 72 cal makes for a total of 331 g 561 calories. I calculated the average caloric density of the items you report as being in your refrigerator (plus the above breakfast and USDA meals) and I see 18 items with an average density of 1.64 cal/gm. Two pounds of randomly selected food from your refrigerator (and the other stuff you mentioned) would provide 1500 calories. A 1500 cal/day diet is not a "concentration camp" diet. But many people would probably lose weight on this level of consumption. Under the 2PD diet, you don't need to read the labels, worry about exactly how big a "portion" is, etc - you just weigh what you actually eat. You stop eating for the day when the total hits 2 pounds. In so doing, you will average 1500 cal/day based on the contents of your own refrigerator. It's safe to assume that it is food you like and find appealing or else it wouldn't be in your refrigerator. If we assume you eat everything in there before refilling it (and restock it identically), the above statistic will continue to apply. Some days you'll consume more than 1500 calories, other days you'll consume less but you'll average 1500 cal/day. Thanks for the data. I rest my case. ;-) John Bob ought to stock his refrigerator with foods which have lower calorie density. Vegetables and fruits typ- ically have a calorie density of 0.5 or less. Fat-free plain yogurt has a calorie density of about 0.5. So does oatmeal. So does tofu. A cucumber has a cal- orie density of only 0.1 or so. Eat food like this to satiety and then eat some nuts or seeds and swallow a couple of Menhaden fish oil capsules. George I'll go even further off topic here. I like the idea of calorie density but I would think it would be useful to have a similar quantity, call it Q, which represents the number of pounds gained (or not lost) per pound of the item consumed. I think this would be the calorie count per pound divided by 3600. Butter would be close to 1. (If you eat a pound of butter, over and above your daily requirement, you will gain nearly a pound I think.) Water would be zero. Thus, someone could look at a 6 oz chocolate bar and know right away what eating that would translate into in terms of weight gain. (E.g. if Q=.5 then it would be 3 oz.) Bill Glycogen storage would confound your Q. Could you elaborate. I am focused on the specific impact of eating a chocolate bar on weight gain, say, a week later assuming nothing else happens. Thanks. Bill Glycogen is the way the body stores carbs. It has a high water content so it is not nearly as calorically dense as fat. Rapid changes in weight (more than 0.5 lbs per day) are more likely from water +/- glycogen than from fat gain/loss. Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48 Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867 |
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