Eating less does not result in weight loss

dOn Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:49:55 GMT, "Cat" wrote:

Eating less does not result in weight loss? Duhhhh.....I'll tell that to the
75 lbs. I've lost so far. They'll be surprised to hear it. G


yes I have had the same problem I could eat so little I had no energy and my
arms hurt all the time and no weight loss. I had to exercise to loose weight. I
think it is because of a very slow metabolism.

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jmk writes:

Perhaps I missunderstood you, do you have any citations to support this
or just your personal observation to base that one.

It is based on both personal observations and statistics I have read.

I think that you may have missed my previous post. If you want the
attributions, please see my earlier post, here's a summary:

Obese Americans - 33%
Overweight/Obese Australians - 56%
Obese British Men - 20%
Overweight British Men - 50%

Where are the numbers for the Germans, Spaniards, Finns, Austrians,
Swedes, French, Italians, Greeks, Danes, Poles, Irish, Portuguese,
Dutch, and all the other Europeans in Europe?

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Steve Knight writes:

yes I have had the same problem I could eat so little I had no energy and my
arms hurt all the time and no weight loss. I had to exercise to loose weight. I
think it is because of a very slow metabolism.

It is more the result of an active imagination. If you eat so little
that you are weak, you are burning fat, and you will lose weight. And
if you are that weak, you certainly cannot exercise, so there is some
contradiction in your statements.

If you truly had a very slow metabolism, eating very little would not
make you weak, since you'd still be eating enough.

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On 10/8/2003 12:49 PM, Mxsmanic wrote:
jmk writes:


Perhaps I missunderstood you, do you have any citations to support this
or just your personal observation to base that one.


It is based on both personal observations and statistics I have read.


I think that you may have missed my previous post. If you want the
attributions, please see my earlier post, here's a summary:

Obese Americans - 33%
Overweight/Obese Australians - 56%
Obese British Men - 20%
Overweight British Men - 50%


Where are the numbers for the Germans, Spaniards, Finns, Austrians,
Swedes, French, Italians, Greeks, Danes, Poles, Irish, Portuguese,
Dutch, and all the other Europeans in Europe?

I don't have time to look for them. If you find that they do not share
this trend, please let us know. In the meantime, I look forward to
seeing citations to support your claims.

Mxsmanic wrote in message . ..
Ralph DuBose writes:

I was referring to the type of difference that is actually
genetically determined to a large degree and that effects energy
consumption.

There is no such difference. If obesity were genetically determind,
then Europeans would be just as fat as Americans, since they have the
same genes. But Europeans are much thinner, so clearly the obesity of
Americans is not genetic. Americans just eat too much.

I think you are perhaps too ready to sense disagreement. I have
never said that obesity is caused primarily by differences in
genetics. My point here, and it is a good one, is that fidgeting, etc.
burns real calories and it is not voluntary behaviour. So if there is
any natural, "unfair" advantage some people have in staying thin, this
is probably where it lies.

jmk writes:

I don't have time to look for them. If you find that they do not share
this trend, please let us know.

I have previously found that they do not.

In the meantime, I look forward to seeing citations to support your claims.

No citations will be forthcoming. I'm not working for an advocacy
group, and whether you personally believe me or not is of no importance
to me.

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Eating less does not result in weight loss?
Okay, I think I'll call up a few of the starving,
skeletal children in North Korea and tell them the great news. I'm sure
they will be overjoyed.

Courageous wrote:

SOME people... yet there is not a single diet or practice that works
for ALL people, including eating less and exercising more.

Eh? This is mathematically impossible. Excercise requires calories and
food provides those calories. The calories _must_ come from somewhere.

C//

On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:54:59 +1000, RLW wrote:

"Dr Chaos" :
On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:20:29 GMT, Michael Snyder
wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote in message ...
Michael Snyder writes:

And like most such, it has very little relation to reality.

It is the one and only basis of all weight loss

Bull****. Utterly and completely absurd. For the most trivial
example, your simple formula completely ignores what KIND
of calories one consumes.

scientific evidence shows that ignoring this is valid to
answer the question.

Interesting article:

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/76/1/281S

"In slightly overweight men, Bouché et al (C Bouché, SW Rizkalla, J Luo, A
Veronese, and G Slama, unpublished observations, 2000) showed that
consumption of a low-GI diet for 5 wk, compared with a high-GI diet of equal
energy and macronutrient content, decreased total fat mass by 500 g (P
0.05, as measured by dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry), despite no
difference in body weight. The decrease in fat mass was mostly abdominal and
was associated with a decrease in ob gene expression in subcutaneous fat
tissue."

There are other articles which show that type of calories consumed can
affect fat loss, if one cares to look.

That is true to a modest degree, and given the goal of weight loss,
there are still differences in diets which are more or less healthy.
But all involve caloric deficit which is the fundamental basis
of weight loss as previously stated.

Notice: "no difference in body weight".

lynne whitley writes:

Eating less does not result in weight loss?
Okay, I think I'll call up a few of the starving,
skeletal children in North Korea and tell them the great news. I'm sure
they will be overjoyed.

The question on everyone's lips is: Are those kiddies losing weight in
North Korea with low-carb or low-fat?

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jmk wrote:

On 10/8/2003 12:49 PM, Mxsmanic wrote:
jmk writes:


Perhaps I missunderstood you, do you have any citations to support this
or just your personal observation to base that one.


It is based on both personal observations and statistics I have read.


I think that you may have missed my previous post. If you want the
attributions, please see my earlier post, here's a summary:

Obese Americans - 33%
Overweight/Obese Australians - 56%
Obese British Men - 20%
Overweight British Men - 50%


Where are the numbers for the Germans, Spaniards, Finns, Austrians,
Swedes, French, Italians, Greeks, Danes, Poles, Irish, Portuguese,
Dutch, and all the other Europeans in Europe?

I don't have time to look for them. If you find that they do not share
this trend, please let us know. In the meantime, I look forward to
seeing citations to support your claims.



Uh, where is your hard evidence? Is that the iVillage link and the
outdated CDC info you posted earlier? Got anything current and/or
remotely accurate or actually science based? How does the 56% Austalians
figure break down? Which is which? Overweight and obese are two
different things.

You've posted no evidence other than the fact you can operate a search
engine.