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"Carb Solutions" Bars and "Net Carbs"
"Ignoramus32082" wrote in message ... In article m, Mr. N wrote: Actually the context I brought them up in was to say that this product does not contain them. You said: I understand that the concept of "net carbs" is at least somewhat dubious, but generally accepted to mean the number of "impact" carbs, i.e. Total Carbs - Fiber - Sugar alcohols = "net/impact carbs". That's not "context" - it's a sentence. Put in context, the product I was talking about (Carb Solutions) bars does not contain sugar alcohols, so there are no sugar alcohol carbs to deduct from total carbs. It was a statement to which I replied. No, it was a sentence you took out of context (as has been pointed out to you). Thanks for playing. -- -My Real Name |
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"Carb Solutions" Bars and "Net Carbs"
"Ignoramus12172" wrote in message ... In article , jmk wrote: Well, yes, but he said more than that, he made a specific statement about sugar alcohols that I felt needed refutation. I'll refute your refutation. Sugar alcohols (as fiber) do contain calories, but are digested so slowly that most of them pass through your digestive system before being broken down into glucose - so have a negligible impact on blood sugar - hence, it is legitimate (ask your neighborhood dietician) to subtract gram for gram both sugar alcohols and fiber from total carbohydrates for a "net carbs" count. In the case of the Carb Solutions Bar I was originally talking about, there are 15g total carbs; 1g fiber and 1g sugars - and NO sugar alcohols. Net carbs for this product SHOULD be 13g - NOT 3g as the packaging states. Does this help? -- -My Real Name |
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"Carb Solutions" Bars and "Net Carbs"
I'm posting from Google, so someone may have already raised this, but
isn't the point that while sucralose isn't a sugar alchohol, it may be listed in the ingredients as a carb, because carbs listed on nutritional information aren't a food group per se (like protein and fat) but are 'everything else'? "Mr. N" wrote: No. "Lexin" wrote: Why not? "Mr. N" wrote: "Carbohydrates" specifically address compounds that provide energy (i.e. calories). I carry no flags for the producers of frankenfoods, I really don't but I don't think that's completely accurate. Surely fat and protein also have calories and also provide energy? Isn't it the case that around 58% of protein is metabolised into glucose/glycogen? I dimly recall from physics lessons many years ago that all a "calorie" is is a measurement of the amount of energy - of heat - that a thing produces when burned in a laboratory, and fat produces more energy in those circumstances than most carbohydrates (AFAIR it's 9 per gram as opposed to 4). But fat is metabolised in the body quite differently than starch. And producing energy on a testing bench isn't quite the same thing as being a food the human body can use - if you burn fibre in a lab it will produce energy measureable as calories but your body can't absorb it simply because it's not made that way. I agree that the producers of frankenfoods haven't completey demonstrated that sugar alchohols or glycerin act in the body in the same way as fibre, but then the opponents haven't yet demonstrated that they don't. Until one of those things happens the frankenfood producers can go on making the claims that they do. -- Lexin (300/237/182) LC since 9 June 2003 |
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"Carb Solutions" Bars and "Net Carbs"
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Rather than ask a dietician, why not just test the sugar alcohols with a cheap blood sugar meter. If you are insulin resistant and experiencing moderate blood sugar spiking after meals (which many people here are) you'll see the blood sugar rise yourself. I'm diabetic and the spike that Maltitol causes in my blood sugar is very similar to that caused by regular sugar. All that is different is that it takes another hour to show up on the meter, which means that it might have been missed in early testing for the product. Dieticians tend to know only what they are told by the companies that market these products. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm "Mr. N" wrote in message s.com... "Ignoramus12172" wrote in message ... In article , jmk wrote: Well, yes, but he said more than that, he made a specific statement about sugar alcohols that I felt needed refutation. I'll refute your refutation. Sugar alcohols (as fiber) do contain calories, but are digested so slowly that most of them pass through your digestive system before being broken down into glucose - so have a negligible impact on blood sugar - hence, it is legitimate (ask your neighborhood dietician) to subtract gram for gram both sugar alcohols and fiber from total carbohydrates for a "net carbs" count. In the case of the Carb Solutions Bar I was originally talking about, there are 15g total carbs; 1g fiber and 1g sugars - and NO sugar alcohols. Net carbs for this product SHOULD be 13g - NOT 3g as the packaging states. Does this help? -- -My Real Name |
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"Carb Solutions" Bars and "Net Carbs"
"Jenny" wrote in message ... N, Rather than ask a dietician, why not just test the sugar alcohols with a cheap blood sugar meter. THIS PRODUCT HAS NO SUGAR ALCOHOLS IN IT!!!!! The issue raised (what is the matter with you people?) is whether they can accurately claim that the Carb Solutions bar has "3 net carbs" when the packaging doesn't reflect any such thing. SHEESH. -- -My Real Name |
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"Carb Solutions" Bars and "Net Carbs"
In s.com,
Mr. N coded for transmition to space: "Jenny" wrote in message ... N, Rather than ask a dietician, why not just test the sugar alcohols with a cheap blood sugar meter. THIS PRODUCT HAS NO SUGAR ALCOHOLS IN IT!!!!! The issue raised (what is the matter with you people?) is whether they can accurately claim that the Carb Solutions bar has "3 net carbs" when the packaging doesn't reflect any such thing. SHEESH. Some people in this thread respond to certain key words in a Pavlovian manner without engaging in any actual thought. Glycerine is one of those types of carbohydrate that, like fiber and sugar alcohols, are absorbed in a low glycemic manner (for most people most of the time)-- i.e. they increase blood sugar slowly enough to avoid an insulin dump which is what lowcarbers who are not diabetic look for, because an insulin dump will scrub your blood clean of the energy it needs to run and store it as fat before you can burn any of it, thereby making you hungry again and ultimately making you eat too many calories to lose weight. Diabetic lowcarbers approach lowcarbing for the exact opposite reason, to control blood sugar, because their own insulin response is impaired, so products that have lots of carbohydrates in them, including sugar alcohols and glycerine, will raise blood sugar too high if they eat too much. Also, glycerine, like starch, is not broken out separately on the nutritional label, whereas sugar and fiber, and sometimes sugar alcohols are. The nutritional label is the black and white box. The rest of the product label is not required to conform to nutritonal label standards, and can include advertising gimmicks, like drawing your attention to the concept of 'net carbs'-- an idea not recognized by the FDA by the way. The product is not a medicinal food, therefore it is not required to conform to medicinal label rules which are much more stringent (no medical claims that are not proven true, etc). Until and unless it is re-classified as a medicinal food (and therefore probably only available by prescription at an even more exhorbant price), any claims outside the black and white box should be examined thoroughly (rather than relied on blindly) and you should use your own judgement about whether it meets your needs or not. If you are diabetic, you should be aware that 'lowcarb' foods are not diatetic foods and not formulated with your needs in mind. The best advice is still to eat to your meter. (If you are not diabetic, testing with a meter won't work, so you should watch for unusual ---and repeatable-- cravings/hunger after eating anything with a 'suspicious' substance in it-- an indication that you've released more insulin than usual, or more quickly than usual). -- revek It startled him even more when just after he was awarded the Galactic Institute's Prize for Extreme Cleverness he got lynched by a rampaging mob of respectable physicists who had finally realized that the one thing they really couldn't stand was a smart ass. - The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy |
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"Carb Solutions" Bars and "Net Carbs"
Mr. N wrote: (head in hands, shaking in frustration) Wait, isn't that the way everybody reads this ng? Barb |
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revek wrote: Some people in this thread respond to certain key words in a Pavlovian manner without engaging in any actual thought. Do not! Right now I have to go get a napkin to wipe a little drool off. Then I'll be back and sound really smart. Barb (Just don't ring any bells, please.) |
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