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The best appetite suppressant that I have found is LARGE doses of chitosan/vitamin C. It is important to use the right ratio of vitamin C. There is a lot of misinformation (pro and con) on chitosan, so you might want to read these articles: [...] Live Long and Prosper! DrumLib i would like to know what would be the exact ratio between chitosan and vitamin c, if this is possible. to answer a few comments about will power, from _my_ experience, it eventually kicks in strongly as a motivating force once i start getting results. i think that will power is also about changing everything in your daily routine as you know it, thus definitely a change of mindset: being focused at every moment and going one meal/one workout at the time. all the best to everyone and thanks for posting, this newsgroup is very inspiring to me victoria |
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"Victoria" wrote in message om... In response to: The best appetite suppressant that I have found is LARGE doses of chitosan/vitamin C. It is important to use the right ratio of vitamin C. There is a lot of misinformation (pro and con) on chitosan, so you might want to read these articles: [...] Live Long and Prosper! DrumLib i would like to know what would be the exact ratio between chitosan and vitamin c, if this is possible. to answer a few comments about will power, from _my_ experience, it eventually kicks in strongly as a motivating force once i start getting results. i think that will power is also about changing everything in your daily routine as you know it, thus definitely a change of mindset: being focused at every moment and going one meal/one workout at the time. all the best to everyone and thanks for posting, this newsgroup is very inspiring to me victoria This is from his website.... http://www.drumlib.com/update/chitosan-vitamin-c.htm |
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wrote in message news "Patricia Heil" wrote in ink.net: "David Van" wrote in message om... Can anyone recommend a good, effective over-the-counter appetite suppressant? I am not talking about a 'magic diet pill' or trim-spa or fat burner or anything like that. Just something that helps suppress feeling hungry. About 10 years ago I tried Dexitrim with some success, but now they use a new 'natural' formula which doesn't work for me. Dave No. Start an exercise program and make sure to include aerobics for health and also because in my experience a good aerobic workout suppresses appetite for at least an hour. Also change how you eat to include more fiber, which is also filling and reduces LDL as well as keeping you from feeling hungry longer. I have to agree with patricia. The more fiber you consume the less hungry you will feel. Lentils and split pea soups are great sources of fiber. I have been taking L-Glutamine for a while now and my binge urges have all but went away. I'm sure it's just another snake oil remedy and the urges are gone due to the way I look at food now. But hey I'm not gonna complain. I take L-Glutamine for speedy recover after hard workouts. The craving suppression is either a beautifull side effect or in my mind. I'll take it one way or another. Diets high in fiber have also been stated to help people lose and maintain the loss of fat. -- start 365 goal 200 maintaining 189-194 range current 191 NOTE TO MYSELF I have a family gathering this evening. So I am expecting my weight to be 195-200 in the morning. Lots of salty/evil food I **WILL** be partaking in. It will be water weight and will exit my body in a few days of ?normal? eating again. END OF NOTE TO MYSELF. )) I love legumes and usually make a crockpot full, then have some every day. It's done terrific things for my LDL and clinical studies back that up. |
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"DrumLib" wrote in message om... (David Van) wrote in message . com... Can anyone recommend a good, effective over-the-counter appetite suppressant? I am not talking about a 'magic diet pill' or trim-spa or fat burner or anything like that. Just something that helps suppress feeling hungry. About 10 years ago I tried Dexitrim with some success, but now they use a new 'natural' formula which doesn't work for me. Dave The best appetite suppressant that I have found is LARGE doses of chitosan/vitamin C. It is important to use the right ratio of vitamin C. There is a lot of misinformation (pro and con) on chitosan, so you might want to read these articles: Chitosan Versus Xenical Is chitosan just another scam, or does it really block a significant amount of fat like Xenical? And if chitosan is a scam, why does Roche have a patent on it? http://www.drumlib.com/dp/000023.htm Chitosan Weight Loss Experiment Update My second chitosan weight loss experiment shows that humans really can achieve the same spectacular weight loss results as the animal chitosan studies! http://www.drumlib.com/dp/000026.htm Live Long and Prosper! DrumLib DrumLib's Health Research Review http://www.drumlib.com Vitamin Price Comparison (including price based on standardized dose) http://www.drumlib.com/bestprice.htm Disclaimer http://www.drumlib.com/terms.htm On the other hand, the FTC has closed down chitosan programs promoting weight loss because of false advertising. http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2004/10/slimdown.htm For Release: October 19, 2004 "Slim Down Solution": Problem Solved A federal district court has permanently barred a group of marketers of bogus weight-loss products from making false claims about the effectiveness of their products. In January 2003, the Federal Trade Commission charged Slim Down Solution, LLC, Maderia Management, Inc., and several related companies and individuals with misrepresenting that their product, "Slim Down Solution" and its main ingredient, D-glucosamine, could block dietary fat absorption and cause consumers to lose weight without changing their diet, in violation of federal law. In May 2004, the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida granted summary judgment against the two sets of defendants and entered an Order and Judgment for Permanent Injunction and Other Equitable Relief against each of them. On October 6, 2004, the court entered a stipulated modification settling one remaining complaint count and the monetary judgment against Slim Down Solution, LLC, and its related entities and owners. The Commission's complaint named Slim Down Solution, LLC, Slim Down Solution, Inc., S.S.T. Management, Inc., The KARA Group, LLC, and their principals, Ronald and Kathleen Alarcon (collectively, the SDS defendants); and Maderia Management, Inc., Polyglucosamine, Ltd., and their principal, Steven Pierce (collectively, the Maderia defendants). The SDS defendants, based in West Palm Beach, Florida, advertised and sold Slim Down Solution through nationally disseminated infomercials that aired on cable television channels such as Bravo, Comedy Central, and PAX Cable, and on the Internet at www.slimdownsolution.com. In addition, the SDS defendants sold their product through a continuity program, automatically shipping consumers Slim Down Solution and charging consumers' credit cards or debiting their bank accounts monthly. The Maderia defendants, based in Conroe, Texas, have manufactured and sold D-glucosamine products directly to consumers and other resellers through their Internet sites, including www.polyglucosamine.com. Resellers, in turn, promoted the products to consumers under private labels such as "Fight the Fat," "Everslim," "Mini Max," and "Slim Down Solution." The court found that the defendants deceptively advertised Slim Down Solution and D-glucosamine (both chitosan derivatives) as "fat trapper" weight-loss products that could prevent consumers from absorbing up to 20 grams of dietary fat per dose. The court also found that the SDS defendants falsely claimed that Slim Down Solution causes weight loss even if consumers eat substantial amounts of foods high in fat, such as cheeseburgers, french fries, and cheesecake. The Permanent Injunction Orders entered by the court bar the defendants from making these and other false claims, such as that Slim Down Solution or D-glucosamine cause substantial weight loss without calorie reduction or exercise. The orders also prohibit the defendants from claiming, without competent and reliable scientific proof, that Slim Down Solution or D-glucosamine cause any weight loss at all. The defendants further are barred, in connection with the sale of any product, from making false or unsubstantiated efficacy or safety claims, or misrepresenting the results of any scientific test or study. The court orders hold the defendants jointly and severally liable for more than $30 million in consumer redress. To satisfy the $30 million judgment partially, the court ordered the defendants and third parties holding the defendants' assets to turn over to the FTC all assets traceable to Slim Down Solution or D-glucosamine sales. Further, the orders bar the defendants from selling their customer lists. The orders also impose on the defendants compliance reporting and record-keeping requirements. On December 16, 2003, individual defendants Ronald Alarcon and Kathleen Alarcon filed for bankruptcy under Chapter 13 of the Bankruptcy Code. On May 14, 2004, the court in the FTC action found that the Commission's action against the Alarcons was not stayed because of the bankruptcy proceeding and granted the Commission's motion for summary judgment against them. As part of the stipulated modification to the final order entered by the Court on October 6, 2004, the SDS defendants will dismiss their bankruptcy case and pay $725,000 in consumer redress. The Alarcons have put up their Florida home as collateral for payment of this judgment. If the SDS defendants have lied about their financial situation, or if they do not pay the required amount by December 28, 2004, they will be liable for the entire original judgment of $30,135,784. The modified order has an added provision prohibiting the SDS defendants from enrolling consumers in a continuity program or billing consumers without their express consent. The Maderia defendants remain liable for the original judgment. The Commission vote to approve the modified order was 5-0. The modified order was entered by the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida on October 6, 2004. The FTC has the following tips for consumers who are interested in weight-loss products or programs: Products and programs that promise quick and easy weight loss are bogus. To lose weight, you have to lower your intake of calories and increase your physical activity. The faster you lose weight, the more likely you are to gain it back. Experts recommend a goal of about a pound a week. There are no miracle weight-loss products. Be skeptical of products and programs that claim they can keep weight off permanently. Be skeptical about exaggerated claims. For more information on weight loss and diets, visit the FTC's Web site at: www.ftc.gov/dietfit. Copies of the modified order are available from the FTC's Web site at http://www.ftc.gov and also from the FTC's Consumer Response Center, Room 130, 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20580. The FTC works for the consumer to prevent fraudulent, deceptive, and unfair business practices in the marketplace and to provide information to help consumers spot, stop, and avoid them. To file a complaint in English or Spanish (bilingual counselors are available to take complaints), or to get free information on any of 150 consumer topics, call toll-free, 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357), or use the complaint form at http://www.ftc.gov. The FTC enters Internet, telemarketing, identity theft, and other fraud-related complaints into Consumer Sentinel, a secure, online database available to hundreds of civil and criminal law enforcement agencies in the U.S. and abroad. MEDIA CONTACT: Brenda Mack Office of Public Affairs 202-326-2182 STAFF CONTACT: Heather Hippsley or Karen Muoio Bureau of Consumer Protection 202-326-3285 or 202-326-2491 (FTC File No. X030017) (Civ. No. 03-80051-CIV-PAINE/JOHNSON) (http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2004/10/slimdown.htm) Related Documents: FTC v. Slim Down Solution, LLC, Slim Down Solution, Inc., S.S.T. Management, Inc., The Kara Group, LLC, Ronald Alarcon, Kathleen Alarcon, Maderia Management, Inc., Ployglucosamine, LTD., Stephen Pierce (D.C.S.D.Fla.) Case No. 03-80051-DIV-PAINE/JOHNSON |
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On 24 Oct 2004 03:37:22 -0700, David Van wrote:
Can anyone recommend a good, effective over-the-counter appetite suppressant? Bonitrol isn't OTC but has been effective. |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:33:50 -0400, MU wrote:
On 24 Oct 2004 03:37:22 -0700, David Van wrote: Can anyone recommend a good, effective over-the-counter appetite suppressant? Bonitrol isn't OTC but has been effective. Are you sure about the spelling? I googled it and only came up with two hits, and they were both French. Em Be careful what you wish for.... |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:33:50 -0400, MU wrote:
On 24 Oct 2004 03:37:22 -0700, David Van wrote: Can anyone recommend a good, effective over-the-counter appetite suppressant? Bonitrol isn't OTC but has been effective. Are you sure about the spelling? I googled it and only came up with two hits, and they were both French. Em Be careful what you wish for.... |
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...change how you eat to include more fiber, which is also filling and reduces LDL as well as keeping you from feeling hungry longer. fiber will delay hunger a little bit, but will never completely remove the sensation... at best, fiber will keep your colon clean; at worst, give you gas and bloating if you overdose. Calories in Calories out don't kid yourselves people it has always been thus....... not carbs, not fats, calories........ the bigger the hole you've dug for yourself, the more time it will take to get out. but you will get out, eventually, if you keep at it. |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:29:26 -0500, Auntie Em wrote:
Are you sure about the spelling? I googled it and only came up with two hits, and they were both French. Bontril |
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