So what do you guys think about "Good carbs, bad carbs"?

AKA gray asphalt wrote:
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On Oct 26, 1:47 am, "AKA gray asphalt"
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It looked like the author got the better of Mehmet Oz on Larry King.
... to me. How close is it to low carb. Thanks, : -)

If you mean Taubes, I, too, think he more than held his own. I did
like Mehmet Oz, though. I thought he expressed his opinion but was
more than reasonable and pleasant. the woman who is the exercise guru
on The Biggest Loser that didn't appear in person but was on the
screen, was really, really rude and aggressive. She came off like a
Marine drill sergeant--no offense to Marine drill sergeants.
Joy Behar did an excellent job of hosting.


I agree that Mehmet was friendly and fair; it's just that he seemed to
admit that maytbe the "good calories, bad calories" guy might be right
about a lot of very important things, which I seem to be along the lines
of what you guys say. It was surprising.

I'm a vegatarian, so I guess there is nothing here for me?

"AKA gray asphalt" writes:

I'm a vegatarian, so I guess there is nothing here for me?

It's possible to be vegetarian and low-carb; "Protein Power" has a
section on it. I suppose it depends on how strict a vegetarian you are.
If you'll eat eggs, dairy, and/or fish, that'll make it a lot easier.
If you won't eat any of those, you'll probably be eating a lot of tofu
and nuts and taking supplements to replace anything you're missing, but
it can still be done.

If you're a vegetarian for religious reasons, then that's of course your
business and I wouldn't try to talk you out of that. On the other hand,
if it's coming from a cruelty-to-animals angle based on what you've
learned about factory farms (and trust me, that stuff sickens me too, as
a dedicated carnivore), then you might want to look into
locally-produced "pasture-raised" meat. It's still possible in this
country to get meat from animals that were raised in a pleasant,
natural, outdoor environment and slaughtered in as humane and clean a
way as possible, but you'll have to do the leg-work yourself; the USDA
thinks that's just silly hippie stuff.

On the other other hand, if you're doing it because you think it's
healthier, well, that's just wrong; but you probably wouldn't be here in
the first place if you thought that.



--
Aaron -- 285/254/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz

Susan wrote:
AKA gray asphalt wrote:

I'm a vegatarian, so I guess there is nothing here for me?

Well, it certainly puts you in a minority, but vegetarians low carbing
for their health have participated here before ...

There are good and bad reasons for being a vegetarian. For
your health is a bad reason as non-vegetarian low carbing is
more healthy than any of the options used by folks before they
started for-health vegetarianism. If you started for your health
I say switch to a more healthy way still and that's the center
of low carbing. On the other hand doing it for religious or
moral motivations is a good reason that should be adhered to.
IMNSHO.

Tempeh, tofu, eggs, cheese, protein shakes can all help a lot, and
choosing vegetable carbs instead of starchy ones.

Since the carb/protein/fat ratios of low carbing call for less carb
and more fat that effects what plants sources need to be stressed.

Eggs and cheese will give a lacto-ovo-veg all the protein they
need and then some. Eggs have even used the logo "Nature's
most nearly perfect food" based on their amino acid ratios.
So for a lacto-ovo-veg it should be very easy to practice low
carb even at Atkins Induction levels.

A vegan trying to get to Atkins Induction levels of carb/protein/fat
ratios will end up using tempeh and tofu as the largest protein
sources and lots of assorted vegetable source oils for the high
fat percentage of Induction. For a vegan Atkins Induction will be
very boring, but each and every week starting day 15 gives 5
grams more of net carbs gets traded for the same total calories
of fat so it gets gradually less boring.

Were I a vegan I would definitely want to attempt low fat plan
types for 6+ months and only switch to low carb if I failed at that
attempt.

"Aaron Baugher" wrote in message
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"AKA gray asphalt" writes:

I'm a vegatarian, so I guess there is nothing here for me?

It's possible to be vegetarian and low-carb; "Protein Power" has a
section on it. I suppose it depends on how strict a vegetarian you are.
If you'll eat eggs, dairy, and/or fish, that'll make it a lot easier.
If you won't eat any of those, you'll probably be eating a lot of tofu
and nuts and taking supplements to replace anything you're missing, but
it can still be done.

If you're a vegetarian for religious reasons, then that's of course your
business and I wouldn't try to talk you out of that. On the other hand,
if it's coming from a cruelty-to-animals angle based on what you've
learned about factory farms (and trust me, that stuff sickens me too, as
a dedicated carnivore), then you might want to look into
locally-produced "pasture-raised" meat. It's still possible in this
country to get meat from animals that were raised in a pleasant,
natural, outdoor environment and slaughtered in as humane and clean a
way as possible, but you'll have to do the leg-work yourself; the USDA
thinks that's just silly hippie stuff.

On the other other hand, if you're doing it because you think it's
healthier, well, that's just wrong; but you probably wouldn't be here in
the first place if you thought that.



--
Aaron -- 285/254/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz

I just like animals. I was getting by with eating chicken until a friend
dropped
off a few for us to take care of. They became pets. I guess I have a complex
or something. If I have about a talking vegetable or fruit I may have to go
on
a water diet. : -)

AKA gray asphalt wrote:

I just like animals. I was getting by with eating chicken until a friend
dropped
off a few for us to take care of. They became pets. I guess I have a complex
or something. If I have about a talking vegetable or fruit I may have to go
on
a water diet. : -)

Eh... the opposite happened to my daughter. She was vegetarian for
years and years until we got our first order of chicks - 43 birds.

Over time, it became clear they were rather nasty animals, mean to each
other, etc. So she decided she could eat chicken again after all. She
felt chickens deserved to be eaten.

--
http://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/

On Oct 26, 9:48 am, Hollywood wrote:
On Oct 26, 1:47 am, "AKA gray asphalt"
wrote:

It looked like the author got the better of Mehmet Oz on Larry King.
... to me. How close is it to low carb. Thanks, : -)

Taubes on LKL without Larry King but with Mehmet Oz. He wrote
Good Calories, Bad Calories.

Good Carbs, Bad Carbs is a different book entirely.

Good Calories, Bad Calories isn't a diet book, though it does come
down
pretty favorably for low carb living.

Good Carbs, Bad Carbs, from the title, seems like a glycemic load/
glycemic index
type of thing. But someone with specific knowledge might want to chip
in.

Good carbs=cellulose. Bad carbs=digestible carbs. Right?

--Bryan

Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
On Oct 26, 9:48 am, Hollywood wrote:

On Oct 26, 1:47 am, "AKA gray asphalt"
wrote:


It looked like the author got the better of Mehmet Oz on Larry King.
... to me. How close is it to low carb. Thanks, : -)

Taubes on LKL without Larry King but with Mehmet Oz. He wrote
Good Calories, Bad Calories.

Good Carbs, Bad Carbs is a different book entirely.

Good Calories, Bad Calories isn't a diet book, though it does come
down
pretty favorably for low carb living.

Good Carbs, Bad Carbs, from the title, seems like a glycemic load/
glycemic index
type of thing. But someone with specific knowledge might want to chip
in.


Good carbs=cellulose. Bad carbs=digestible carbs. Right?

--Bryan



MOOOOOO

On Nov 6, 8:59 pm, Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
On Oct 26, 9:48 am, Hollywood wrote:





On Oct 26, 1:47 am, "AKA gray asphalt"
wrote:

It looked like the author got the better of Mehmet Oz on Larry King.
... to me. How close is it to low carb. Thanks, : -)

Taubes on LKL without Larry King but with Mehmet Oz. He wrote
Good Calories, Bad Calories.

Good Carbs, Bad Carbs is a different book entirely.

Good Calories, Bad Calories isn't a diet book, though it does come
down
pretty favorably for low carb living.

Good Carbs, Bad Carbs, from the title, seems like a glycemic load/
glycemic index
type of thing. But someone with specific knowledge might want to chip
in.

Good carbs=cellulose. Bad carbs=digestible carbs. Right?

--Bryan

Haven't reat the book, so I couldn't say.

"Jackie Patti" wrote in message
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AKA gray asphalt wrote:

I just like animals. I was getting by with eating chicken until a friend
dropped
off a few for us to take care of. They became pets. I guess I have a
complex
or something. If I have about a talking vegetable or fruit I may have to
go on
a water diet. : -)

Eh... the opposite happened to my daughter. She was vegetarian for years
and years until we got our first order of chicks - 43 birds.

Over time, it became clear they were rather nasty animals, mean to each
other, etc. So she decided she could eat chicken again after all. She
felt chickens deserved to be eaten.

--
http://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/

The chickens we got were all hens and they had been beaten up
by a rooster. They were nice to each other and they got along
with my cats which was quite a surprise. As soon as the chickens
realized the cats weren't interested in chicken feed and the cats
realized the chickens weren't interested in cat food : -), but I can
imagine that someone who experienced roosters and hens together
might have had a totally different experience. My chickens rode
around on my arm and pecked seed from my lips and would
jump off the ground to grab bread, like a dog.