What nutrients are in whole grains that aren't in vegetables?

In contrast, you continue to out yourself as a rude little **** with
nothing to offer this group but abuse and scientific illiteracy.
Really, you should FOAD and do the world a favor, much less this group.

I agree and I am really starting to think that either this idiot (Mr.
Natural whatever he calls himself) is either nothing more than some 12
year old who is attempting to anger others for fun or works for one of
the companies that stands to loose if avoidance of processed foods ever
became a real recommendation.

Noway2 wrote:

... I am really starting to think that either this idiot (Mr.
Natural whatever he calls himself) is either nothing more than some 12
year old who is attempting to anger others for fun or works for one of
the companies that stands to loose if avoidance of processed foods ever
became a real recommendation.

If you worked for such a company, would you want Mr Whole Grain
to be out there representing your interests? I wouldn't. He's too
transparently stupid. I figure he's a dumb but sincere "true believer"
who isn't interested in letting those nasty fact things get in the way.

Doug Freyburger wrote:
Noway2 wrote:

... I am really starting to think that either this idiot (Mr.
Natural whatever he calls himself) is either nothing more than some 12
year old who is attempting to anger others for fun or works for one of
the companies that stands to loose if avoidance of processed foods ever
became a real recommendation.

If you worked for such a company, would you want Mr Whole Grain
to be out there representing your interests? I wouldn't. He's too
transparently stupid. I figure he's a dumb but sincere "true believer"
who isn't interested in letting those nasty fact things get in the way.

I poked around the Google archives briefly... I don't have links
handy (and I'm too lazy to provide it), but I saw some posts that
rumored Mr. John Gohde (Mr. Whole Grain, Natural Health, whatever) is a
paraplegic and is missing all of his teeth, and may be deformed in some
other ways. Might go some distance towards explaining his strangely
abusive, ranting manner of "educating" people about nutrition.

Ernst Primer wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

If you worked for such a company, would you want Mr Whole Grain
to be out there representing your interests? I wouldn't. He's too
transparently stupid. I figure he's a dumb but sincere "true believer"
who isn't interested in letting those nasty fact things get in the way.

I poked around the Google archives briefly... I don't have links
handy (and I'm too lazy to provide it), but I saw some posts that
rumored Mr. John Gohde (Mr. Whole Grain, Natural Health, whatever) is
... missing all of his teeth ...

If true it would be sadly funny. Grain is a major reason that teeth
fall out.

This THREAD ended one week ago.

Just thought that you might want to know.

It is about time that your idiots stopped babbling, and got a life.
You know, like exercise your butts once in a while.

When my husband gives me the sausage it increases my serotoin levels
everytime!


Are you celiac?

wrote in message
oups.com...

A few days back, I made myself a big pot of soup, made with italian
sausage, which he doesn't care for.

They can raise serotonin levels in normal folks.



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GD bottom feeding posters. Stop being so inconsiderate.

"Mr-Natural-Health" wrote in
message oups.com...

wrote:
Enrico C wrote:
On the other hand, my husband is not diabetic, and can and
does eat
whole grains,

Do they affect him in some way?

No. He just likes banana nut bread.

He doesn't eat as much carb as most people, because I do most of
the
cooking and can't eat it myself. But... I accomodate him. Heck,
I
even bake bread from scratch (*really* from scratch, where step
one is
hand-grinding the wheat berries).

A few days back, I made myself a big pot of soup, made with
italian
sausage, which he doesn't care for. So... I made him a batch of
scalloped potatoes with ham.

But mostly, we eat the same emals... and since I restrict carbs,
he
doesn't eat much carb either. For instance, he has discovered
that
rice doesn't add anything to stirfry, just dilutes the flavors, so
I
quit bothering to make some on the side for him..

But... the question of
whether there are nutrients missing in a diet without grain is
relevant
to a lot of folks who cannot tolerate grain for one reason or
another.

I see your point.
I don't know whether there are nutrients missing in a diet
without
grain.
I would tend to doubt that, provided the diet is varied enough.
I was not saying grains are "essential", though. I believe there
is
hardly a truely "essential" food. Think of the vegetarians who
can
live without meat, fish, cheese, eggs... Still, why should we?


It seems to me that in comparison to the time that I ate grain
regularly, I eat a *lot* more veggies now. Course, that is how
*I*
low-carb. You can low-carb in an unhealthy manner too.

For instance, my daughter was vegetarian for several years for
ethical
reasons... and primarily ate starch. She just doesn't care for
vegetables much, which is an obvious disadvantage for a
vegetarian.

You can do *any* diet in a healthy way or an unhealthy way.


A dull diet *is* a problem, for instance.

I don't really think wheat berries or oats add much excitement
though.
They're relatively bland foods.

True, but that's precisely why they always come in good company,

oats with milk and nuts in a muesli, for instance...
other grains with tomatoes, veggies, oil, olives, cheese, eggs,
meat,
fish...

Because I have to limit grains, I find foods with them included
taste
"diluted" to me now.

As noted, even my husband, whom had no problems with grains, is
sorta
finding the same with a lot of dishes. Noodles don't actually add
anything to soup.

I had a bite of his scalloped potatoes, checking to see if they
were
cooked through. Really... boring. I'd rather have had the same
ham
cooked up with a mess of kale.


Well, the discussion began about which nutrients are found in
grains
that are not in veggies.

Ok, but then someone argued that grains are bad for everyone,
and that
whole grains are just "less bad".

I have not argued that, myself. I think grains are bad for a lot
of
people, likely more folks than even know they have issues with
grain,
but not *everybody.*

There are certainly individual differences in what is the best
diet for
each individual, based on individual biochemistry.


From a nutrition standpoint, whole grains contain very little
nutrients
for the kilocalorie.

Well, they have fiber, and some vitamins and minerals. When they
come
with legumes, they even give some protein.

The protein tends to be the problem for a lot of folks. Grain
proteins
are what cause allergic reactions in those prone to them.


Besides, I believe grains have a positive effect on mood.

They can raise serotonin levels in normal folks.

However, for those with problems metabolizing sugar, such as
myself,
mood swings from unstable blood sugar are much more severe than a
potential lowering of serotonin.

So again, it depends on the individual.

Whole grains are also rather satiating, by the way, more than
some
other foods with the same caloric content.

Here, I would disagree, primarily based on personal experience.

I assume you are not diabetic, and therefore have never
experienced
ravenous, uncontrollable hunger, within an hour of eating a full
meal.


Grains, and other carb-heavy foods, do that to me. I'm almost
immediatly starving as soon as I eat them. Unstable bg is
experienced
as severe hunger. There's lots of fuel in your blood, but it
doesn't
get into your cells... so you are literally starving at a cellular
level.

A lot of folks whom are not yet frankly diabetic are eating
themselves
towards the full-blown disease because of that specific reaction
to
carbs. Some folks have likened it to an addiction, because it
does
feel that uncontrollable.

The bulk of my diet by mass or volume is vegetables, but because
vegetables are very low calorie, most of my kilocalories are from
fat.
I average around 1400-1600 kilocalories per day. That is
*without*
limiting myself in any way, it's just what I eat if there are few
carbs
in my diet.

But with carbs in my diet... I can go through that many
kilocalories in
a few hours.

Believe it or not lady, we got your "poor me" the diabetic speech
the
first time. There is no need to repeat your story of woe 50 million
times.

Just thought that you might want to know.



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Noway2 wrote:
Mr-Natural-Health wrote:

You know, like exercise your butts once in a while.

There certainly is one Butt tthat is getting plenty of excersize around
here, and we all know who that is!

LOL

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:34:00 +0100, Enrico C
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:48:02 +0100, Enrico C wrote in
on
alt.support.diet.low-carb,sci.med.nutrition :

Well, they have fiber, and some vitamins and minerals. When they come


According to a guy on a Italian newsgroup, whole grains cannot
replaced, not even by veggies.
I must say I have no idea whether he is right or he talks rubbish.
Here is what he wrote, more or less (I'll try and translate it):
Does this makes any sense?

"Whole grains cannot be replaced, not even by veggies. For starters,
for their content in soluble fiber, that helps prevent diabetes and
lower cholesterol, etc. Then, for their phytates, saponines,
agglutinins, some polysaccharides, protease inhibitors, thousands of
different polyphenols, and so on...".

Most important (applies to all whole grains) is that whole grains
release carbohydrates far more slowly than finely ground flour.

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