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Help! 800cal/day = good diet or ED? "Eat less, do more" not working? VLCD trap?
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:43:22 -0500, Dally wrote:
John HUDSON wrote: You have shown considerable honesty and courage posting this very personal account, together with some perhaps not very flattering photographs. Butt-ugly, you mean? No I didn't mean that at all; you were very much overweight and to your credit, you have done something about it. There is obviously some way to go to achieve your goal, but you are by no stretch of the imagination "butt-ugly", you have pleasant regular features and appear to be quite an attractive woman. Yes, I was honest. I came from a lousy place, nearly into a death spiral of too fat to do anything, and I'm getting into a really healthy place now. I post it to show it can be done. Good for you and well done - again! ;o) But I'm dropping MFW and SMN from all follow-ups. This belongs in alt.support.diet and no place else, in my opinion. I think that's very wise given that there are some very cynical little people who get their kicks out of being rude and offensive. |
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Help! 800cal/day = good diet or ED? "Eat less, do more" not working?VLCD trap?
jmk wrote:
I'm not familiar with Zone -- what is the carbohydrate/protein/fat breakdown? Just curious. It's 40/30/30 respectively, but I aim for more like 45/30/25 personally. It took a bit of practice for me to learn to limit carbs so significantly (I had been doing 75/10/15) and to learn to fit protein into every meal. When people talk about the Zone they tend to refer to it as "high protein" but I think of it as, "eating a balanced diet the way my Grandma always told me." It's effectively the same as the Glycemic Index Diet and the South Beach Diet and the Body for Life diet and "eating clean", i.e., getting healthy fats from seeds and fish and lean protein sources like egg whites and chicken breasts and protein powder and limiting carbs so that you only eat ones that are either high in fiber or high in phytonutrients, i.e., no junk food. Shocking concept, eh? :-) I was watching PBS Frontiers yesterday, a show called "Losing It", and the most successful person was doing the Zone diet and exercise. It's a way of life that is quite sustainable, in my opinion. It just needs a bit of pre-planning to make sure protein is around when you want a snack since simple carbs appear by magic but protein has to be planned for. Dally |
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Help! 800cal/day = good diet or ED? "Eat less, do more" not working?VLCD trap?
That T Woman wrote:
"Dally" wrote in message I sincerely hope this helps, because now I get to have a whole bunch of people call me a FFID all over again. FFID? I don't know that one but from the context it can't be good. It means "Fat **** in Denial" and refers to all the people who claim that they are too special to lose weight via diet and exercise. It normally means they're just eating too damn much, but I do believe that sometimes it means they're just doing it wrong. That's the controversial part: the MFW mavens will argue that it ALWAYS means they're just eating too damn much. I've been trying to make my workouts more intense but shorter but all I do is make myself sore. Well, some DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness) is normal and to be expected and you just take some ibuprofin and bear it. If you mean "ouch" sore WHILE you're doing the exercise then you're doing something wrong. So today I'm having a recovery day because my arms and legs honestly couldn't take it today. You need to give your arms and legs time to recover and build muscle after you've worked the muscle (i.e., created tiny tears in it.) But you don't usually have to after doing a cardio workout. But still, intensity is good if you're trying to get better at using the fat, IMO. (SJ, shall I trot out Covert Bailey's "Better Butter Burner" story now?) Dally |
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Help! 800cal/day = good diet or ED? "Eat less, do more" not working? VLCD trap?
Thanks Dally, your post helped a lot. I do like this to be
cross-posted between the three diet, nutrition, and weight lifting forums though since so much advice I read conflicts. Runner sites deal with eating issues even stronger than here but I haven't included them yet. I'm already pretty low-carb. I've been trying to eat more low-fat/low-carb protein sources since I'm way below the 1g/lb lifting guideline. I probably could get more sleep, been trying to get to bed by before 1AM now, but I still tend to naturally wake up after 5 or 6 hours of sleep regardless of when I go to bed. I don't force feed myself water. I only get thirsty after runs and during lifting free weights for two hours where I notice I'll start to go for trips to the water bubbler between sets on the later ones (been worried this is becoming a bad-habit subconscious excuse for rest between sets). I tend to drink about two to three cups of water a day. My morning orange and other foods give me water too. I probably could get more sleep and water, but don't think it's my main issue. It was in trying to find what your FFID meant that I found some other helpful gems of information. The two links below were helpful. http://forum.lowcarber.org/archive/index.php/t-91293 http://www.eskimo.com/~largesse/Archives/CC.html FFID is a horrible needlessly antagonistic term. "Fat person in denial" would be just as truthful without the implied righteousness. As I said in my post, I know the majority of Americans have no idea how much food and calories they are consuming. It is obvious at every vending machine and group meal by everyone around me. However what brought me into these forums were two things. First. I finally became frustrated enough to make myself vulnerable by daring to compare my own notes with others after two years of getting nowhere on my own (besides the initial VLCD dropping 70lbs). This summer when trimmer-than-I friends wanted to share workout tips with me to encourage both of us getting into beach shape, they would become suddenly extremely alarmist and concerned over both my eating ("too little") and workout ("too much") regimens. To the point in half the cases of secretly calling my wife to ask "does he really eat that little at home?", where they voiced their concerns about my having an ED. It's happened a half of dozen times now. I was fine eating as little as I did on my own ("can't eat normal to look better than normal") but eventually had to ask myself if the concerns of my honestly concerned friends might have any validity. Is this typical of a FFID? Second. The final straw for me was this site: http://www.johnstonefitness.com/ God bless his results, and good for him, and I'm happy for him. He started where I did last January when I both looked like his fatter physique and had his fatter weight and body fat measurements. Shows me that my Tanita scale body fat reading isn't lying and is about right. But unlike him after a whole year of countless hours of daily free weights and aerobic bike rides and runs and kayaking (etc), I still look like his before picture. No discernable change. Whereas for him it's extremely noticeable, and what one should expect. The kicker was looking at his food intake spreadsheets. He eats WAY more than I do. Before looking at the pictures I snickered at all the needless 'FFID mistakes' foods he kept (dressings on his salad, sour cream, orange juice, etc). And yet he had the transformation of losing body fat and gaining a good lean mass physique that eludes me - as I eat less than him and work out more than him. It was the last straw to all the previous "world is amiss" signs I was seeing around me all year. Coworkers that can go out for lunch everyday yet stay trim, guys that pop into the free weight room for only 20 minutes and leave yet have a muscle physique I lack. As I said in my post, I am thinking of making my workouts even harder by adding more sprints. I already started to lift 'ridiculous' heavy weights trying to get my muscle mass to grow (putting me on par with what the big guys lift), but am now starting to get chronic tendon pains down the inside bone ridge of my arms (from wrist to elbow). Other lifters say it's a classic over-use injury. I feel it has something to do with having to grab the dumb bell bars so tightly. It hurts when I just grab the dumb bells to lift them off the stand. But I am already doing two hours of free weights (bar bells and dumb bells) five days a week. Wish it was an easier answer like you of switching from Nautilus to free weights. I made that refinement already last January. Yeah, sorry for the seeming rage against all the advice I read. Nothing seems to work despite extreme diligence and dedication. Like I said, I can add more sprints into my workouts. In fact I did last night during 45min on the bike rollers, added in about ten minutes of sprints. In the mirror set up for form checks, the amount of fat I saw jiggling around my middle made me sick. And I wonder why my riding ability has suffered. I'm afraid to ever eat more than I presently do. But will try to force myself to drink whey protein after my workouts. The comments from you and on the links about endurance paced workouts not making a dent for a select few other unfortunates were helpful. Gave me more encouragement to add harder sprints into my aerobic workouts. Any other tips? |
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Help! 800cal/day = good diet or ED? "Eat less, do more" not working?VLCD trap?
vlcd_hell wrote:
Any other tips? I'm going to type this slowly. If you cannot understand the following sentance then I suspect you *do* have an eating disorder. Eat more calories. You need to be eating at least 8x your weight in calories. Aim to get no more than 50% of your calories from carbs and make what carbs you eat be high in fiber (i.e., vegetables and fruits and whole grains.) Eat more often. You should be eating at least four times a day. Drink more water. You should be drinking at least 6 cups of water. Yes, force yourself to have a glass. A good tip is to down an entire glass when you first wake up in the morning, and down another glass when you get downstairs and take your vitamins. If eating less and exercising more is not working then is it really sane to eat even less and exercise even more? You've got no chance of gaining muscle when you're on a VLCD, right? So maybe that means you're LOSING muscle? Think about it. Doing the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result is insane. Change it. And I'm dropping sci.med.nutrition because they're all way too nutty. Dally |
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Help! 800cal/day = good diet or ED? "Eat less, do more" not working? VLCD trap?
Dally wrote in -
berlin.de: And I'm dropping sci.med.nutrition because they're all way too nutty. Dally LOL yeah. Some of the views kinda wierd me out a bit. |
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Help! 800cal/day = good diet or ED? "Eat less, do more" not working? VLCD trap?
"Dally" wrote in message ... vlcd_hell wrote: Any other tips? I'm going to type this slowly. If you cannot understand the following sentance then I suspect you *do* have an eating disorder. Eat more calories. You need to be eating at least 8x your weight in calories. Aim to get no more than 50% of your calories from carbs and make what carbs you eat be high in fiber (i.e., vegetables and fruits and whole grains.) Eat more often. You should be eating at least four times a day. Drink more water. You should be drinking at least 6 cups of water. Yes, force yourself to have a glass. A good tip is to down an entire glass when you first wake up in the morning, and down another glass when you get downstairs and take your vitamins. If eating less and exercising more is not working then is it really sane to eat even less and exercise even more? That's the definition of insanity, right? Doing the same thing and expecting different results? det |
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