Scientists Say Dieting does not work

On Apr 13, 4:09 pm, DonnaB shallotpeel
wrote:
In alt.support.diabetes on 13 Apr 2007 09:51:11 -0700 in Msg.#
.com, "Diva"

wrote:
On Apr 12, 11:13 pm, "Father Haskell" wrote:
On Apr 12, 4:19 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
wrote:

Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:

2PD of Mentos (tm) and diet coke.

Two pounds of Pinot Noir and a caper or olive. It's a lifestyle--
Hiccup

Oh, no, what a dilemma. Someone I read in another NG, posting here to someone
replying to a troll in massive inappropriate cross-post! What to do, what to do,
...

--
DonnaB

"My God -- Life! Who can understand even one little minute of it." - Kurt
Vonnegut, Jr. [Nov 11, 1922-Apr 11, 2007], Jonah, CAT'S CRADLE

convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

Support groups would become obsolete if folks would come to realize
their being overweight happens because of the three lies they have in
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
their hearts about hunger:

(1) Hunger is like a red warning indicator light.

And you think this is what people believe based on what
evidence/studies?

(2) The growling sounds of the stomach during hunger is like a warning
buzzer.

And you think this is what people believe based on what
evidence/studies?

(3) Hunger means it is time to eat because energy levels are low.

And you think this is what people believe based on what
evidence/studies?

The research as described on-line as can be found at the following
link:

http://abchung.livejournal.com

May GOD bless you.

Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com

May HIS immortal brethren pray for our dying mortal friends and
neighbors:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

In memory of our dearly departed Bob(this one) Pastorio:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

The Official SMC FAQ List:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth/FAQ

On Apr 13, 4:57 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
wrote:
neighbor DonnaB shallotpeel wrote:
neighbor "Diva" wrote:
convicted neighbor Haskell wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...58ad68dce88a8?

Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:

2PD of Mentos (tm) and diet coke.

Two pounds of Pinot Noir and a caper or olive. It's a lifestyle--
Hiccup

Oh, no, what a dilemma. Someone I read in another NG, posting here to someone
replying to a troll in massive inappropriate cross-post! What to do, what to do,

Rethink your unwise choice to engage in name-calling.

"Name-calling is lying." -- Holy Spirit

Amen.

2PD of gorilla snot.

On Apr 13, 6:06 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
wrote:
convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:



Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

Support groups would become obsolete if folks would come to realize
their being overweight happens because of the three lies they have in
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
their hearts about hunger:

(1) Hunger is like a red warning indicator light.

And you think this is what people believe based on what
evidence/studies?

(2) The growling sounds of the stomach during hunger is like a warning
buzzer.

And you think this is what people believe based on what
evidence/studies?

(3) Hunger means it is time to eat because energy levels are low.

And you think this is what people believe based on what
evidence/studies?

The research as described on-line as can be found at the following
link:

(snip)

2PD of porpoise vomit.

"Andrew B. Chung, MDemon"

2 pds of donuts, daily.

There! That got rid of all the garbage.

STOP eating and you will starve to death.

Ergo, dieting does work.

Just thought that this MORON might want to know.

A few days before I saw the news articles following that study I
stumbled across a youtube video. It was by a large woman who was
fed up with attempts at weight control and decided to accept herself
as a person just the way she was.

I thought that was wonderful idea.

I didn't like how she enthusiastically tried to make the point that
stable weight loss was out of reach for some people. She quoted
stats similar to the ones in this study. She also swore she ate
healthy and exercised.

I've been there and keeping a food diary saved me. It taught me that
the effects of exercise and good eating can easily be blown away by
what looks like innocent snacking.

For the painless investment of 5 min a day to log your food, you can
turn small, barely noticeable deficits into significant weight loss.
Just giving up 200 calories a day ( giving up a soda, or a juice or a
nosh standing at the refrigerator ) will result in a 20 lb weight loss
over a year.

That same food logging with daily weighings will keep the weight off
for years, near painlessly.

It is all about feedback. When you go off of weight loss regime and
stop the monitoring you don't know if you are taking in too much until
you have a problem.

With monitoring if you go up a pound or two, you can painlessly fix
that in a week or so. Give up a dessert , have a slightly smaller
lunch etc.

It is a pity the general public and the scientists of the
aforementioned study do not know that.

Thank goodness for the National Weight Control Registry.

On 14 Apr 2007 15:07:13 -0700, Steve wrote:

It is all about feedback. When you go off of weight loss regime and
stop the monitoring you don't know if you are taking in too much until
you have a problem.

With monitoring if you go up a pound or two, you can painlessly fix
that in a week or so. Give up a dessert , have a slightly smaller
lunch etc.

It is a pity the general public and the scientists of the
aforementioned study do not know that.

People who are obese are lying to themselves. I fully agree that keeping a
log of food volume (amount by weight) can be eyeopening, it was for Mu.

That's where logging ends as you describe it (only 5 minutes now?) Once the
realization sets in, the obese will either stop logging, lie on the logs,
incomplete the logs or be so flat inaccurate about caloric content in the
first place that the logs will lie to them.

Logs don't work across the board and they certainly are not the panacea you
suggest.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD escreveu:
morris wrote:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/heal...p?newsid=67422

We all srt of knew this, but the summary is pretty good.
Key phrase: dieting is actually a consistent predictor of future
weight gain."
************************************************** *****************
Scientists Say Dieting Does Not Work
10 Apr 2007

US scientists conducting a comprehensive review of dieting research
have concluded that dieting does not work.

The study is published in the April edition of American Psychologist,
the journal of the American Psychological Association.

Researchers at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA),
reviewed 31 long-term studies lasting between 2 to 5 years.

UCLA associate professor of psychology and lead author of the study,
Traci Mann said:

"You can initially lose 5 to 10 percent of your weight on any number
of diets, but then the weight comes back."

"We found that the majority of people regained all the weight, plus
more," she added.

The researchers found a very small minority of study participants
managed to sustain weight loss, while the majority put all the weight
back on, and more in the longer term.

"Diets do not lead to sustained weight loss or health benefits for the
majority of people," said Dr Mann.

Dr Mann and colleagues sought to determine the long term effects of
dieting and address the question "Would they have been better off to
not go on a diet at all?".

So they analyzed every study they could find that followed people on
diets for 2 to 5 years. Studies that take less than 2 years are "too
short to show whether dieters have regained the weight they lost,"
they said.

They discovered that it would have been better for most of them if
they had not gone on a diet at all.

"Their weight would be pretty much the same, and their bodies would
not suffer the wear and tear from losing weight and gaining it all
back," explained Dr Mann.

Their findings show that:

-- People on diets typically lose 5 to 10 per cent of their weight in
the first 6 months.
-- But 33 to 66 per cent regain more than what they lose within 4 to 5
years.

Dr Mann and colleagues suspect the real situation is actually even
worse; the figures do not really reflect reality, making diet studies
look better than they are. They say there are a number of reasons for
this:

-- Many participants phone or mail their results in themselves,
without an impartial assessor.
-- A lot of studies have a below 50 per cent follow up rate; and the
people who put on a lot of weight are less likely to stay in touch.

UCLA graduate student of psychology and co-author of the study, Janet
Tomiyama said that "Several studies indicate that dieting is actually
a consistent predictor of future weight gain."

One study in particular that they looked at found that men and women
who took part in a weight reduction programme gained significantly
more weight than those who did not over the same period of time.

Tomiyama mentioned another study, this time looking at links between
lifestyle and weight in 19,000 healthy older men over four years. This
study found that, "One of the best predictors of weight gain over the
four years was having lost weight on a diet at some point during the
years before the study started," she said.

Also, in many studies with control groups, the people in the control
group very often were better off than the participants who dieted.

Dr Mann suggests that eating in moderation and exercise do make a
difference. Although they were not looking at exercise in particular,
Dr Mann said that:

"Exercise may well be the key factor leading to sustained weight loss.
Studies consistently find that people who reported the most exercise
also had the most weight loss."

One study following obese patients discovered that:

-- Among those followed for under 2 years, 23 per cent of patients had
regained their weight loss.
-- Among those followed for more than 2 years, 83 per cent had
regained their weight loss.

Another study found that 50 per cent of dieters weighed 11 pounds (5
kilos) more than their starting weight 5 years after their diet.

Among the health hazards of repeated weight loss and regain are
cardiovascular disease, stroke, diabetes and altered immune function,
said Dr Mann and colleagues.

They said more research is needed on the effects of weight loss and
regain on health, and say scientists do not fully understand the
underlying factors involved in this complex relationship.

Dr Mann quoted her mother, who herself has tried to diet many times,
without success. Dr Mann's mother said her daughter's findings were
"obvious".

Although this study reviewed 31 long term dieting projects, they did
not look into specific diets.

The researchers are of the opinion that weight loss programmes are not
good value for money in the treatment of obesity.

"The benefits of dieting are too small and the potential harm is too
large for dieting to be recommended as a safe, effective treatment for
obesity," said Dr Mann.

Between 1980 and 2000, the proportion of obese Americans has doubled,
from 15 to 31 per cent of the population.

Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

Suggested reading:

http://abchung.livejournal.com/986.h...d=16090#t16090

May GOD bless you.

Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com

May HIS immortal brethren pray for our dying mortal friends and
neighbors:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

In memory of our dearly departed Bob(this one) Pastorio:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

The Official SMC FAQ List:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth/FAQ

I do not consider this a scientific work, because it is based in
patients behavior and not in diet itself.
Antonio L Rodrigues

Nutritionist

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD escreveu:
morris wrote:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/heal...p?newsid=67422

We all srt of knew this, but the summary is pretty good.
Key phrase: dieting is actually a consistent predictor of future
weight gain."
************************************************** *****************
Scientists Say Dieting Does Not Work
10 Apr 2007

US scientists conducting a comprehensive review of dieting research
have concluded that dieting does not work.

The study is published in the April edition of American Psychologist,
the journal of the American Psychological Association.

Researchers at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA),
reviewed 31 long-term studies lasting between 2 to 5 years.

UCLA associate professor of psychology and lead author of the study,
Traci Mann said:

"You can initially lose 5 to 10 percent of your weight on any number
of diets, but then the weight comes back."

"We found that the majority of people regained all the weight, plus
more," she added.

The researchers found a very small minority of study participants
managed to sustain weight loss, while the majority put all the weight
back on, and more in the longer term.

"Diets do not lead to sustained weight loss or health benefits for the
majority of people," said Dr Mann.

Dr Mann and colleagues sought to determine the long term effects of
dieting and address the question "Would they have been better off to
not go on a diet at all?".

So they analyzed every study they could find that followed people on
diets for 2 to 5 years. Studies that take less than 2 years are "too
short to show whether dieters have regained the weight they lost,"
they said.

They discovered that it would have been better for most of them if
they had not gone on a diet at all.

"Their weight would be pretty much the same, and their bodies would
not suffer the wear and tear from losing weight and gaining it all
back," explained Dr Mann.

Their findings show that:

-- People on diets typically lose 5 to 10 per cent of their weight in
the first 6 months.
-- But 33 to 66 per cent regain more than what they lose within 4 to 5
years.

Dr Mann and colleagues suspect the real situation is actually even
worse; the figures do not really reflect reality, making diet studies
look better than they are. They say there are a number of reasons for
this:

-- Many participants phone or mail their results in themselves,
without an impartial assessor.
-- A lot of studies have a below 50 per cent follow up rate; and the
people who put on a lot of weight are less likely to stay in touch.

UCLA graduate student of psychology and co-author of the study, Janet
Tomiyama said that "Several studies indicate that dieting is actually
a consistent predictor of future weight gain."

One study in particular that they looked at found that men and women
who took part in a weight reduction programme gained significantly
more weight than those who did not over the same period of time.

Tomiyama mentioned another study, this time looking at links between
lifestyle and weight in 19,000 healthy older men over four years. This
study found that, "One of the best predictors of weight gain over the
four years was having lost weight on a diet at some point during the
years before the study started," she said.

Also, in many studies with control groups, the people in the control
group very often were better off than the participants who dieted.

Dr Mann suggests that eating in moderation and exercise do make a
difference. Although they were not looking at exercise in particular,
Dr Mann said that:

"Exercise may well be the key factor leading to sustained weight loss.
Studies consistently find that people who reported the most exercise
also had the most weight loss."

One study following obese patients discovered that:

-- Among those followed for under 2 years, 23 per cent of patients had
regained their weight loss.
-- Among those followed for more than 2 years, 83 per cent had
regained their weight loss.

Another study found that 50 per cent of dieters weighed 11 pounds (5
kilos) more than their starting weight 5 years after their diet.

Among the health hazards of repeated weight loss and regain are
cardiovascular disease, stroke, diabetes and altered immune function,
said Dr Mann and colleagues.

They said more research is needed on the effects of weight loss and
regain on health, and say scientists do not fully understand the
underlying factors involved in this complex relationship.

Dr Mann quoted her mother, who herself has tried to diet many times,
without success. Dr Mann's mother said her daughter's findings were
"obvious".

Although this study reviewed 31 long term dieting projects, they did
not look into specific diets.

The researchers are of the opinion that weight loss programmes are not
good value for money in the treatment of obesity.

"The benefits of dieting are too small and the potential harm is too
large for dieting to be recommended as a safe, effective treatment for
obesity," said Dr Mann.

Between 1980 and 2000, the proportion of obese Americans has doubled,
from 15 to 31 per cent of the population.

Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

Suggested reading:

http://abchung.livejournal.com/986.h...d=16090#t16090

May GOD bless you.

Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com

May HIS immortal brethren pray for our dying mortal friends and
neighbors:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

In memory of our dearly departed Bob(this one) Pastorio:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

The Official SMC FAQ List:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth/FAQ

I do not consider this a scientific work, because it is based in
patients behavior and not in diet itself.
Antonio L Rodrigues

Nutritionist