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"Mu" wrote in message
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On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:41:22 -0400, LFM wrote:

DH and I
have adopted an 80/20 plan. 80% of the time we eat healthy, 20% we allow
junk. That way we don't feel deprived but most of the time we are eating
good.

Interesting comment. You feel deprived if you don't eat junk?

Deprived may not be the proper word. Its certainly not for a saiety
deprovation, but there are times when having a bit of something sweet, salty
or whatever (Sunday morning chocolate chip pancakes w/ Vermont Maple Syrup
kind of thing)... One cookie mid afternoon... that kind of thing. For
both myself, and my husband, if we stuck to lean meats, veggies, whole
grains, etc and didn't incorporate the occasional brownie, chips, chocolate
or cookies, we would feel like something is missing. Its likely more
because of life long habits of having those items in our lives.

Mind you, both of us are within optimal weight ranges, are in good physical
health, athletic and active, so the occasional *junk* within moderation, is
not harmful to our life styles.

Its Friday night, we'll go out to dinner somewhere, I'll enjoy a beer with
my dinner that will likely include chicken, and salad on the water front
somewhere enjoying a sunset. My junk today was indulging in a cheese danish
at work this morning and the beer I'll have with dinner.

On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:41:22 -0400, LFM wrote:

DH and I
have adopted an 80/20 plan. 80% of the time we eat healthy, 20% we allow
junk. That way we don't feel deprived but most of the time we are eating
good.

"Mu" wrote in message

Interesting comment. You feel deprived if you don't eat junk?

On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:14:39 -0400, LFM wrote:

Deprived may not be the proper word. Its certainly not for a saiety
deprovation, but there are times when having a bit of something sweet, salty
or whatever (Sunday morning chocolate chip pancakes w/ Vermont Maple Syrup
kind of thing)... One cookie mid afternoon... that kind of thing. For
both myself, and my husband, if we stuck to lean meats, veggies, whole
grains, etc and didn't incorporate the occasional brownie, chips, chocolate
or cookies, we would feel like something is missing. Its likely more
because of life long habits of having those items in our lives.

Fair enough, I would agree, I have the same, there are many junk foods I
like.

Mind you, both of us are within optimal weight ranges, are in good physical
health, athletic and active, so the occasional *junk* within moderation, is
not harmful to our life styles.

Its Friday night, we'll go out to dinner somewhere, I'll enjoy a beer with
my dinner that will likely include chicken, and salad on the water front
somewhere enjoying a sunset. My junk today was indulging in a cheese danish
at work this morning and the beer I'll have with dinner.

Sounds good to me.

On Apr 7, 4:01 pm, "Susan" wrote:
Ok..

I need suggestions on where to start getting back to losing lifestyle.

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I lost down to under 200 a few years ago and I felt fantastic I kept
it off until last year when things got stupid in my marriage and it
all started coming back on.

I would suggest the first thing to do is to change your way of
thinking. Cultivate the mindset that you will never leave a "losing
lifestyle". People who KEEP the weight continue to monitor their
weight and food intake as if they were still on a diet.

I weigh myself everyday and keep a food diary. Both of these things
only take less than 10 minutes a day.

The only excuse I can think for not doing these things is being
knocked unconscious.

As far as what to do to start reducing I think these are the 3 best
links on the subject:

http://www.primusweb.com/fitnesspart...ight/scale.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker%27s_diet

http://www.physicsdiet.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker%27s_diet

On Apr 14, 10:27 am, "Steve" wrote:
On Apr 7, 4:01 pm, "Susan" wrote:

Ok..

I need suggestions on where to start getting back to losing lifestyle.

snip

I lost down to under 200 a few years ago and I felt fantastic I kept
it off until last year when things got stupid in my marriage and it
all started coming back on.

I would suggest the first thing to do is to change your way of
thinking. Cultivate the mindset that you will never leave a "losing
lifestyle". People who KEEP the weight continue to monitor their
weight and food intake as if they were still on a diet.

Right on!

Diva

On 14 Apr 2007 07:27:28 -0700, Steve wrote:

I would suggest the first thing to do is to change your way of
thinking. Cultivate the mindset that you will never leave a "losing
lifestyle".

???????????

People who KEEP the weight /off/ continue to monitor their
weight and food intake as if they were still on a diet.

Outside of the fact that you missed the operative and key word, I
inserted it for you, /off/ this is an bsurd overgeneralization, simply
untrue.

I weigh myself everyday and keep a food diary. Both of these things
only take less than 10 minutes a day.

You either write like a demon or type like a stenographer.

The only excuse I can think for not doing these things is being
knocked unconscious.

Or as I found after six weeks or so practically a useless effort.

As far as what to do to start reducing I think these are the 3 best
links on the subject:

http://www.primusweb.com/fitnesspart...ight/scale.htm

Let's look at some of the crap from this "ACE personal trainer".

"The 5 pounds that you gain right after a huge dinner is not fat. It¢s
the actual weight of everything you¢ve had to eat and drink."

Really, what useful info lol

Followed by:

"This brings us to the scale¢s sneakiest attribute. It doesn¢t just
weigh fat. It weighs muscle, bone, water, internal organs and all."

And clothes and your hat if your wearing one and your athlete's foot
lol.

http://www.physicsdiet.com

# Track your weight loss without going crazy.
# Find out exactly how many calories your body burns.

This is amazing, snuck into the HTML is a working bomb calorimeter!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker%27s_diet

"Calories consumed compared to calories used is the key, according to
Walker; if one eats more calories than one burns, one gains weight; if
one eats fewer calories than one burns, one loses weight. All that is
necessary to consistently lose weight, at the desired rate, is to
monitor the intake, monitor the weight loss rate and make the desired
proportional adjustments to reach the desired goal"

Pure genius, I say, the man has a firm grasp on the Laws Of
Thermodynamics, I say.

And, of course, a lab for his caloric measurements.

On Apr 14, 10:27 am, "Steve" wrote:
I weigh myself everyday and keep a food diary. Both of these things
only take less than 10 minutes a day.

Steve,
No doubt you will be zinged by perpetual ASD troll, Mu for your post.
He uses the group as human pincushions and for religious dogma.

The catch phrase that fits dates back to World War Two:

"Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition."

ASD was the most fantastic diet support list until trolls latched on
to it with their own stupid agendas. I signed on in 1996 and have been
active intermittently ever since and met some pretty dedicated people
like Beverly Chris as well as many others. Even Caleb with his
extreme low calorie short term campaigns and regains, tries to inspire
others while Mu cryptically mocks and criticizes them.


We had marvelous success stories over the years. I always hope some of
the alumni will check in and let us know how they are doing.

I continue to weigh every day, exercise three times a week and use Fit-
day too and have kept kept off the more than 80 pounds I lost nearly
eight years ago OFF.

I did that without all the endless nonsensical dialogue that flows
between the trolls and I'll keep on doing it and offering suggestions
I've found helpful.

The simplistic mantra "Eat Less Move More" works.
Eating well and enjoying food also works as appetite exists to promote
eating and survival. It's just that too many have run too far with
that ball.

When I wake up each morning, I realize that the day is mine to with as
I please and I strive to make the most of it and be proud of my
efforts and achievements whether diet related or otherwise as I have
other interests. But it was conquering lifelong obesity that gave me
self respect and enthusiasm to keep growing and active at an age
which had an expired shelf life thirty years ago .

Diva
Age 76
219/140 since 1999

On Apr 14, 4:31 pm, "Diva" wrote:
I continue to weigh every day, exercise three times a week and use Fit-
day too and have kept kept off the more than 80 pounds I lost nearly
eight years ago OFF.

I think it is time for people to shift their thinking.

To many people it seems extreme to weigh yourself and monitor what you
eat every day for the rest of your life.

Yet, nobody thinks it is extreme to have to brush your teeth and floss
every day to maintain your dental health.

On Apr 14, 5:43 pm, "Steve" wrote:
On Apr 14, 4:31 pm, "Diva" wrote:

I continue to weigh every day, exercise three times a week and use Fit-
day too and have kept kept off the more than 80 pounds I lost nearly
eight years ago OFF.

I think it is time for people to shift their thinking.

To many people it seems extreme to weigh yourself and monitor what you
eat every day for the rest of your life.

Yet, nobody thinks it is extreme to have to brush your teeth and floss
every day to maintain your dental health.

I made the samee comment a fewdays ago and added something about
bathing. LOL

The only drawback with all that HAS worked for me is sometimes it's
hard to ignore and deny the influence of pop culture and consumerism
that strives to keep us disatisfied with our body image or
comfortable about aging gracefully. Today so many women want to look
like a blowup dolls. Sometimes I fall for it too.

Det, exercise and inheriting some good genes have contributed to
keeping me looking much younger than my actual age. I am very grateful
for that. We can't turn the clock back forever, but it's nice to be
able to be physically active in one's late seventies and to be
complimented on being attractive. It is even nicer to get jeans zipped
up without having to lie flat on your back on the bed LOL!.
\I'll be watching CNN rerun tonight of the Sanjay Gupta piece on aging
well. (no not the one on American Idol, this guy has normal hair.)

Diva

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:07:36 -0800, Cynthia P
wrote:

Yet, nobody thinks it is extreme to have to brush your teeth and floss
every day to maintain your dental health.


Gotta agree with this! It's not like it's that difficult either.

Yeah, I brush my tooth every night.

--
Zilbandy

On 14 Apr 2007 14:43:57 -0700, Steve wrote:

I think it is time for people to shift their thinking.

To many people it seems extreme to weigh yourself and monitor what you
eat every day for the rest of your life.

Yet, nobody thinks it is extreme to have to brush your teeth and floss
every day to maintain your dental health.


Gotta agree with this! It's not like it's that difficult either.


--
Cynthia
262/240.5/152