Diet Linked To Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma

usual suspect wrote:
They

are

driven by an agenda rather than science. Lesley, aka "pearl," has
some very peculiar ideas about human diet, most of them lifted from a
"vegan motorcyclist" webpage. She's a flake.

usual suspect wrote:

usual suspect wrote:

They


are

Oh, we knew you meant it!


driven by an agenda rather than science. Lesley, aka "pearl," has some
very peculiar ideas about human diet, most of them lifted from a
"vegan motorcyclist" webpage. She's a flake.

Ignoramus20562 wrote:
...
They driven by an agenda rather than science. Lesley, aka "pearl,"
has some very peculiar ideas about human diet, most of them lifted
from a "vegan motorcyclist" webpage. She's a flake.

They probably feel sorry for all those animals whose hideous murder
and torture is financed by my purchases of meat,

Not nearly as hideous as what happens to animals during planting, application of
pesticides, irrigation, and harvest. They have no qualms about poisoning or
slicing an animal to death, but you better not eat one!

and that's why they
put up those spurious health claims.

It's the groundless claims about being free of death and suffering they should
address. "Vegan" is not cruelty-free:
http://www.bds.org.uk/Research/Silag...entperrier.htm

Quite to the contrary, whenever biting a piece of veal or such, I
feel like truly the king of the universe, knowing for sure that I am
the master over all those veals, pigs, salmons, and whatnot.

I'm glad you've found food that contributes so much to your self-esteem.

"pearl" wrote in message ...
Diet Linked To Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma
Meat, Saturated Fat, Dairy May Raise Risk
By Daniel DeNoon
Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD
WebMD Medical News
3-24-4
..

"What we found is if a person has a higher intake of animal protein,
they will have a higher risk of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma," Zheng tells
Web. "And people who have a higher intake of saturated fat have
an increased risk. On the other hand, if you have higher-than-average
intake of dietary fiber -- particularly if you frequently eat vegetables
and fruits with a high fiber content -- you have a reduced risk of
non-Hodgkin's lymphoma."

The findings appear in the March 1 issue of the American Journal
of Epidemiology.


http://dceg2.cancer.gov/pdfs/zheng1594542004.pdf

A semiquantitative food frequency questionnaire developed by the Fred
Hutchinson Cancer Research Center (Seattle, Washington) was completed
by each subject, who was asked to characterize her usual diet in the
year prior to being inter-viewed, with the understanding that this
information is very highly correlated with diet in the more distant
past (16). The food frequency questionnaire collects data on
consumption frequency and portion size for approximately 120 foods and
beverages and is updated periodically to reflect US food consumption
patterns and major market changes. This questionnaire has been
validated and was designed to optimize estimation of fat intake (17).
After completion, the food frequency questionnaire was sent to the
Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center for analysis. Average daily
nutrient intakes were calculated by using the University of Minnesota
Nutrition Coding Center Nutrient Data System database.

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Regarding the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center:

http://www.mindfully.org/Health/Hutc...arch-Fraud.htm

"Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center Seattle Sued for Fraud
AP 27mar01
SEATTLE - Families of 82 cancer patients sued a prominent cancer
research center, accusing it of fraud and ethics violations in failed
bone-marrow experiments the center conducted for more than a decade.

The lawsuit filed Monday followed a series by The Seattle Times
earlier this month that reported the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research
Center didn't fully warn patients of the experiments' risks, and
failed to disclose private financial holdings in some of the drugs
being tested.

At least 20 people died from the experimental blood-cancer treatments
conducted from 1981 to 1993, the Times reported. Only two of the 82
who enrolled are still alive despite a statistical likelihood that
more might have lived."

....

"According to the Times, Seattle-based biotech company Genetic Systems
paid royalties for an exclusive commercial license for three of the
eight drugs tested in Protocol 126, and gave stock to some of the
center's doctors and a foundation affiliated with Hutchinson."

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More about the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center:

http://www.researchprotection.org/et...utchinson.html

In 1985, Bristol-Myers bought Genetic Systems the sponsor of protocol
126 in which (the Times documents) the investigators had holdings, for
$294 million.

The Times focused in graphic detail on pervasive systemic failure to
protect patients from scientifically and ethically questionable
medical experiments--even as patients died. The series demonstrates
how financial and professional conflict of interest by investigators
and the institution, deception of patients, coercion of Institutional
Review Board members, and a Federal whitewash /cover-up by the Office
of Protection from Research Risks (OPRR, now OHRP)--all leave
unwitting patients without protection.

In a breast cancer protocol 681 (1990-1998), the Times reported, doses
were escalated until patients died.

"Medical experts are baffled as to why researchers at the Fred
Hutchinson Cancer Research Center kept escalating the amount of
high-dose chemotherapy they gave breast-cancer patients even after it
killed some of the women..."

The Times reported that the sponsor of the experiment, Cell
Therapeutics, is reported to be worth $764 million today.

The series demonstrates in compelling detail how unprotected patients
in clinical trials are, and it demonstrates the utter failure of both
local institutional review, and of existing Federal oversight agencies
to deal with the abuse--failure even to conduct a credible
investigation after the damage has been done.

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An exact quote from the discussion portion of the study:

"In this population-based case-control study, we found an increased
risk of NHL associated with higher consumption of animal protein,
saturated fat, and carbohydrates. An increased risk was also observed
for higher consumption of eggs and dairy products (including milk and
butter products) and white bread. On the other hand, a significantly
reduced risk was observed for a greater intake of dietary fiber,
tomatoes,
broccoli, squash, cabbage, cauliflower, onions, leeks, mixed lettuce
salad with vegetables (such as carrots, tomatoes), dark bread,
tortillas, popcorn, citrus fruits, apples, and pears."
****

Interesting how refined carbohydrates and white bread are prominently
mentioned in the study and the comment from the researcher
conveniently omits any reference to carbs or white bread:

http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/...?printing=true

Headline - Lots of Meat, Saturated Fat, Dairy May Raise Risk

"What we found is if a person has a higher intake of animal protein,
they will have a higher risk of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma," Zheng tells
Web. "And people who have a higher intake of saturated fat have an
increased risk. On the other hand, if you have higher-than-average
intake of dietary fiber -- particularly if you frequently eat
vegetables and fruits with a high fiber content -- you have a reduced
risk of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma."

Why is it that fat and protein takes a hit and refined carbohydrates
are conveniently ignored? Bias? Trying to add to the all fats and all
proteins are bad and all carbs are good argument? Seems fishy to me.

TC

I eat more veggies now then I ever had in the past.....who makes up this
BS about Atkins? I gave up junk food for broccoli, cauliflower, green
beans, spinach, squash and lots of salads. Sounds very unhealthy.
geesh. Just sick of it..eat your way I'll eat mine.
Low carb since 2/98

pearl wrote:
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"marengo" wrote in message

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pearl wrote:
| Diet Linked To Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma
| Meat, Saturated Fat, Dairy May Raise Risk
| By Daniel DeNoon
| Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD
| WebMD Medical News
| 3-24-4
| ..
|
| "What we found is if a person has a higher intake of animal protein,
| they will have a higher risk of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma," Zheng tells
| Web. "

Wow! It's a good thaing that Atkins is a vegatable-rich, moderate
protein/low carbohydrate diet, emphasizing plenty of fiber-rich vegetables
like cauliflower, broccoli and cabbage!

It is, and it does? I thought you could eat as much fat and protein
as you desired, but that vegetables and fruit were restricted?


I feel sorry for those people
eating low-fat diets, consuming all that lean meat, thinking they're safe!

"And people who have a higher intake of saturated fat have an increased risk."


Now this study show that they're more likely to get cancer! Wow! And those
2-pound dieters eating 2 pounds of beef every day! Poor guys!

More confirmation that my low-carb way of eating is the healthiest of all;
thanks for posting this!

'Zheng says that people eating low-carb diets may also be
at risk of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma if they eat too much
meat and too few vegetables.'
http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/...?printing=true


ADD;

RELATIVE risk of breast cancer among Japanese woman
Meat Eggs Butter/cheese
less than once per week 1.0 1.0 1.0
2-4 times per week 2.55 1.91 2.10
almost daily 3.83 2.86 3.23
(from a paper by Hirayama cited in John Scharffenberg's
"Problems with Meat", 1989)

pearl wrote:
The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:

Wow! It's a good thaing that Atkins is a vegatable-rich, moderate
protein/low carbohydrate diet, emphasizing plenty of fiber-rich
vegetables like cauliflower, broccoli and cabbage!

It is, and it does?

Yup. Veggies are mandatory from day one on.

I thought you could eat as much fat and protein
as you desired, but that vegetables and fruit were restricted?

Because you haven't even read the book. Yet you're foolish enough
to go around making pronouncements about it. Do you have any idea
how hilarious it is watching idiots who haven't even read the book
go around pontificating about it?

maybe you should do some research instead of just making assumptions.

Why don't you answer my questions in a civil manner instead of just
making assumptions?

It's not the job of regulars on ASDLC to read the book for others.
Ignorance is curable, stupidity is incurable. Are you ignorant or
stupid? Reading the book will cure ignorance. Go for it!

pearl wrote:

Diet Linked To Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma
Meat, Saturated Fat, Dairy May Raise Risk
By Daniel DeNoon
Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD
WebMD Medical News
3-24-4
..

"What we found is if a person has a higher intake of animal protein,
they will have a higher risk of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma," Zheng tells
Web.

Let's see. This was posted by a regular on
alt.animals.ethics.vegitarian and talk.politics.animal. No
like you're unbiased or anything. Check. Animal activists
hate that Atkins has become so popular.

Humans evolved as hunters, dude. You don't have to hunt if
you don't want to. But your politics is showing when you
troll ASDLC with this sort of biased material.

Ignoramus20562 writes:

In article , usual suspect wrote:

"vegan" diets are linked with B-12 deficiency.

And iron deficiency, zinc deficiency, etc.


I wonder how vegans could claim that their diet is "naturally
fitting human beings" if people develop critical vitamin
deficiencies while on it.

Some (maybe most) Vegans just follow dogma and ignore common sense.

However, it is possible to be a Vegan without compromising health.
This guy has been a vegan for more than 30 years:
http://www.thegardendiet.com/storm.html
Doesn't look unhealthy to me.
His family eats raw vegan too:
http://www.thegardendiet.com/beforenafter.html
No obvious problems - quite the opposite in fact.

BTW, I have no connection with the Taliferos, so if you do send money
their way I won't get a cent.

--
Manfred Bartz

Ignoramus20562 wrote:




I wonder how vegans could claim that their diet is "naturally fitting
human beings" if people develop critical vitamin deficiencies while on
it.

i

They also have a problem with explaining why, if vegan is natural,
humans can't manufacture all the amino acids they need from such
a diet. But they can't; they have to ingest -- I believe it's 8
-- amino acids in their diet. They also have to explain why our
appendix is no longer a fully functional second stomach but just
a nuisance.

"usual suspect" wrote in message
...
Ignoramus20562 wrote:
...
They driven by an agenda rather than science. Lesley, aka "pearl,"
has some very peculiar ideas about human diet, most of them lifted
from a "vegan motorcyclist" webpage. She's a flake.

They probably feel sorry for all those animals whose hideous murder
and torture is financed by my purchases of meat,

Not nearly as hideous as what happens to animals during planting,
application of
pesticides, irrigation, and harvest. They have no qualms about poisoning
or
slicing an animal to death, but you better not eat one!


Every year, at my BF's camp, they try to get a good idea of how many deer
must be killed in order to avoid a long, hot summer that may not provide
conditions favorable to deer. I have no blood lust, per se, but I would
much rather see a clean kill than starving, sick animals. And I do eat
meat. I just buy mine wrapped in cellophane and pretend that's how it
arrived on the planet.

j
and that's why they
put up those spurious health claims.

It's the groundless claims about being free of death and suffering they
should
address. "Vegan" is not cruelty-free:
http://www.bds.org.uk/Research/Silag...entperrier.htm

Quite to the contrary, whenever biting a piece of veal or such, I
feel like truly the king of the universe, knowing for sure that I am
the master over all those veals, pigs, salmons, and whatnot.

I'm glad you've found food that contributes so much to your self-esteem.