I won't make this mistake again ... Atkins Endulge Premium Ice Cream

On 1/28/2004 12:01 PM, Ignoramus25969 wrote:
In article , Crafting Mom wrote:

jmk wrote:

I only noticed two things. Firstly, you are not a big fruit eater, are
you?

He doesn't seem to eat a lot of what is _commonly known as_ a fruit
but technically, 6 small tomatoes 115 calories worth are a fruit.

I eat a lot of fruit, but people don't see bell peppers, tomatoes,
olives or cucumbers, as a fruit, simply because they are lower
in fructose :-)


I remember that 2 weeks ago, jmk herself educated me that those things
are fruit. I also thought they were vegetables. Fortunately, the
Supreme court ruled that they were in fact vegetables (for the
purposes of customs duties). So I guess, this time jmk is going by the
Supreme court.

Yeah, that's it! hehe! :-)

--
jmk in NC

Linda Harms wrote in message . ..

I think it's important for those of us who are trying to change our
relationships with food to break the link between sweet-tasting foods
and "reward." We need to find better ways to reward ourselves.

I have an appointment on February 4th for a one-hour massage. It is
my reward for being a good girl regarding both diet and exercise for
all of January (so I better not screw up in the next few days!)

I told the massage therapist when I made the appointment that she is
my replacement for an ice cream sundae.

On 28 Jan 2004 16:55:04 GMT, Ignoramus25969
announced in front of God and
everybody:

At my desk. I work in a cubicle. I pack the fatty/meaty stuff into a 1
pint plastic container. This makes food portioning easy. I just pick
whatever tasty stuff we have at home, within reason, and stick as much
as I can into that little 1 pint container. Then the vegetables I just
carry in a big ziploc bag.

So really, you're following the Two Cup Diet. g

Dawn

In article , ignoramus25969
@NOSPAM.25969.invalid says...


So long as you understand that such an approach may also have the effect of
causing some people to ignore you. They might think, "That guy's a fanatic,
I could never be that strict with myself because [a whole host of reasons,
some of which you might find legitimate and others not]."

I would not mind if some people decide to ignore me.

i


It's therefore ironic -- or is it deliberate? -- that your pen name is
"Ignore-amus."

My 2cents worth -- you have many important things to say, but one must
ignore your caustic "tone" in order to benefit from them. Sometimes I'm
willing to do that, sometimes not. It's a crap shoot -- just like the
rest of life -- all depending on the mood I'm in.

--
************************************
Linda Harms
New York, NY

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Macbeth, Act 5 Scene 5

In article ,
says...

marengo wrote in message
s.com...
"carla" wrote in message
...
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(Who would treat something as absolute truth merely because
| it lacks a goofy "IMHO" tag?)
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Newbies, unfortunately

You may be right. But by "newbies" you really mean "people without critical
thinking skills." For such people, a lifetime of experience on USENET is
not likely to help them learn not to take something that appears on the
screen as absolute truth. For people who understand that something you
overhear a perfect stranger say on the bus is not to be taken as rock solid
fact, being a newbie to USENET or to a diet plan is not going to erase their
analytic skills and make them instantly gullible.

carla



That's what I was going to say! I'll just add that the "gullies" also
believe everything they hear or read in the media regarding the latest
fad diets and magic weigh-loss pills.

Gullies: a word I just coined this instant to represent the gullible, as
opposed to a "newbie" who may be quite intelligent, and capable of deep
critical thinking, but just new to the newsgroup.

--
************************************
Linda Harms
New York, NY

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Macbeth, Act 5 Scene 5

I don't know you well enough to know whether you are being deliberately
disingenuous. I have to assume that you know full well that your issuing
absolute edicts frequently irritates people on this newsgroup. *You*
never
touch a piece of "junk food" (by some unspecified definition) - how nice
for
you. For most people though, I don't think a scoop of Atkins ice cream
here
or there - or even a piece of *gasp* real chocolate - is going to cause
problems.

While I don't agree with his methods, I do whole-heartedly agree with the
message. I also fit into the catagory of *NEVER* eating a piece of junk
food. I've made a serious change to my lifestyle because of many reasons...
numero uno being that I don't feel like dying. I'm not willing to half-ass
it and cheat. Nobody NEEDS those cheat foods. Pretend they don't exist.
Instead of giving in to temptation of eating a scoop of ice cream... go do
some activity that you enjoy... play a video game, masturbate, go play shoot
some hoops, draw, whatever. Giving in to your temptations and letting them
control you is indicative of a weak mind. Control your own body, don't let
it control you.


Anyway, that's the part that I think is draconian; it's unnecessary to be
so
absolute, about diet or anything else. Oh yes, In My Opinion of course.

Some might be able to have cheats and snacks. For many others it leads
further down the slippery slope that ends with a Big-Mac, Super-sized fry,
jumbo coke, and a pint of Ben & Jerry's.


It's not even clear to me, what qualilfies as "junk" to you? Clearly
products sold in stores like candy bars, ice cream, etc. fall into that
category. What about the ice cream I make at home with cream, berries,
and
splenda? is that "junk"? How about my low-carb pancakes made with
protein
powder? You don't have to answer these questions, though I am curious. I
can tell you right now that even if you deem them "junk" I am not going to
stop eating them. There are limits to how many restrictions I can put on
my
diet if I want a sustainable plan. This is probably true for most people.


I think we both qualify "junk" in a similar matter. In addition to the list
of candybars, ice cream, etc. and the well-known 'junk'; Any of the
"ATKINS" products that are sold including all of the tons and tons of
products that we've been seeing popping up as "Low Carb". Eating all of
those over-processed products that are specifically made to try and fool you
into thinking that what you're eating what you're not supposed to be eating
is what I qualify as JUNK.

As far as saying that the plan won't be sustainable, I would have to
disagree. After a while you get very comfortable with the new way of life.
You don't miss the crap. I've even come to a point where I 'bite my thumb'
at it. I've 'done atkins' and lost 108lbs then fallen off the wagon. Not
because my diet was so strict, but because my mind was too weak. I've come
to a point where I've been able to get back on track and it is just as easy
as I remember it.

In article ,
says...
Linda Harms wrote in message . ..

I think it's important for those of us who are trying to change our
relationships with food to break the link between sweet-tasting foods
and "reward." We need to find better ways to reward ourselves.

I have an appointment on February 4th for a one-hour massage. It is
my reward for being a good girl regarding both diet and exercise for
all of January (so I better not screw up in the next few days!)

There you go! That's what I mean! And you picked something that will
make you feel good physically, which is the exact opposite of what a
sugary treat usually makes people feel.


I told the massage therapist when I made the appointment that she is
my replacement for an ice cream sundae.


Did she understand what you meant by that, or is there now an asterisk
next to your name in the appointment book? ;-)

--
************************************
Linda Harms
New York, NY

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Macbeth, Act 5 Scene 5

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:48:41 -0500, "DoughBoy"
announced in front of God and
everybody:


While I don't agree with his methods, I do whole-heartedly agree with the
message. I also fit into the catagory of *NEVER* eating a piece of junk
food. I've made a serious change to my lifestyle because of many reasons...
numero uno being that I don't feel like dying. I'm not willing to half-ass
it and cheat. Nobody NEEDS those cheat foods.

"Need" is open for interpretation. Do you need "junk foods" -- which
I'm taking to mean both processed LC products and foods eaten more for
psychological enjoyment than for nutrition -- for optimum health? Of
course not.

But eating isn't purely about fueling the body. If it were, we'd all
eat the same thing at every meal, every day. Food offers pleasure and
variety. Food can be fun. It's about balancing the fun and the common
sense.

Me, my "needs" are different from yours, which are different than
other posters'. I need coffee. Every morning. You may argue that I
don't literally NEED coffee to survive ... and I would grudgingly
agree with that. Semantically, anyway. But on a very basic,
fundamental level, I need my freakin' cup o' joe, dammit. Don;t tell
me any different -- because you have *no idea*.

When I started low-carbing, I didn't eat anything that smacked of
"treats" or echoed the junk foods I'd had problems with. I found
sugar-free Jell-O an inadequate substitute for real dessert and it
only made me crave the real thing more. Meal replacement bars were
disgusting. Ditto Atkins shake mix (gack).

After losing a fair amount of weight -- 35 pounds -- I discovered that
I was a happier girl if I occasionally had a SF chocolate bar or a
scoop of CarbSmart ice cream. I love food -- all sorts of food -- and
yeah, I have a lifelong sweet tooth and a real problem with sugar
addiction. If I eat something with sugar, anything at all, it can send
me off-track for days. But not the sugar-free stuff ... and having
soime of that a couple of times a week keeps me from saying yes to
something loaded with white sugar.

On a very real level, I need that stuff to stick to this way of eating
for life.

I've even come around on the protein bars. Every once in a while --
about once a month -- I find myself in a situation where a LC lunch is
difficult to acquire. But a bottle of water and a Carb Solutions bar
get me through until dinner. I wouldn't eat them every day -- they're
expensive and only moderately nutritious -- but they definitely have
their place.

Pretend they don't exist.
Instead of giving in to temptation of eating a scoop of ice cream... go do
some activity that you enjoy... play a video game, masturbate, go play shoot
some hoops, draw, whatever. Giving in to your temptations and letting them
control you is indicative of a weak mind. Control your own body, don't let
it control you.

How ... fundamentalist. Switch "eating a scoop of ice cream" with
"masturbate" in that paragraph and parse the whole thing over again.

Some might be able to have cheats and snacks. For many others it leads
further down the slippery slope that ends with a Big-Mac, Super-sized fry,
jumbo coke, and a pint of Ben & Jerry's.

You;re absolutely right. But for others it keeps them from that
slippery slope by offering an alternative.

Moderation and common sense are the key. Not abstinence. Not for
everybody, anyway.

Dawn

Myway wrote:

Russell Stover low-carb candies is about the same for me, spouse loves
them and can eat only one per week, not me! I have to stay away from
them completely. Brings back the old "sugar monkey" feelings. lol

For me RC SF candies are worse because the effect is more subtle. If I
eat them, the next day I go into a store and decide I can cheat with real
candy. It's happened each and every time I've tried sugar alcohol
chocolate. It triggers a craving that isn't even apparent to me but
it's still powerfull enough to drive my to decide to cheat on the real
thing.

I can't touch them at all any more. Which is a shame because they taste
almost as good as the real thing unlike so many low carb substitute
products.

But eating isn't purely about fueling the body. If it were, we'd all
eat the same thing at every meal, every day. Food offers pleasure and
variety. Food can be fun. It's about balancing the fun and the common
sense.
I've actually found myself doing just that. Eating the same meal for lunch
every day for a few days in a row. It simplifies things. While food can be
fun, I'm not looking to have fun right now. I've been having too much of
that type of 'fun' and it is the reason why I've had to change my eating
habits to LowCarb(atkins).


Me, my "needs" are different from yours, which are different than
other posters'. I need coffee. Every morning. You may argue that I
don't literally NEED coffee to survive ... and I would grudgingly
agree with that. Semantically, anyway. But on a very basic,
fundamental level, I need my freakin' cup o' joe, dammit. Don;t tell
me any different -- because you have *no idea*.

I feel your pain...kinda. I used to drink at LEAST 2 20oz coffees every
day(for the last 3 years that I've been working in my current position). On
Jan 1, 2004 I stopped. I haven't drank anything that wasn't just water
since. You don't need it. Stop telling yourself you need it.


After losing a fair amount of weight -- 35 pounds -- I discovered that
I was a happier girl if I occasionally had a SF chocolate bar or a
scoop of CarbSmart ice cream. I love food -- all sorts of food -- and
yeah, I have a lifelong sweet tooth and a real problem with sugar
addiction. If I eat something with sugar, anything at all, it can send
me off-track for days. But not the sugar-free stuff ... and having
soime of that a couple of times a week keeps me from saying yes to
something loaded with white sugar.

Again, I can empathise with you. I am a serious carb addict. Specifically
dark chocolate. Just like any other junky, I knew I needed to 'get clean
and stay clean'.

I also love cooking. Enough that my Christmas this year consisted of a
professional cutlery set. I understand what it is to LOVE food. I still
do, just different types. I addapt my recipies and cook according to Atkins
now. No flour, breadcrumbs, brown-sugar based rubs on my BBQ, honey glaze
on the ham, etc.

Have you given yourself enough time to get over your addiction (say, 2
weeks)? Those cravings just go away. Now, even though the though of eating
some dark chocolate kit-kats sets the saliva running, I know that I can't
have it. That is that. I won't replace it with unsweetened chocolate and
some splenda.


On a very real level, I need that stuff to stick to this way of eating
for life.

You only think you do because you keep telling youself you can't do it
without them.

How ... fundamentalist. Switch "eating a scoop of ice cream" with
"masturbate" in that paragraph and parse the whole thing over again.

/boggle

Moderation and common sense are the key. Not abstinence. Not for
everybody, anyway.

I agree with that. Its just that moderation and common sense go out the
window when you start having 'just one more Low Carb (candy)bar'.