CarbAddict wrote:
::::: From: Roger Zoul (Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:18:09 -0400)
::::: MsgId:
:::::
::::: Just remember, the carbs alone aren't the problem...but if you
::::: eat more than you burn off you might gain weight, or not lose any.
::
:::: CarbAddict wrote:
::::
:::: It is difficult to imagine eating enough over two days
:::: to counteract a 150-mile ride. I'm not saying a person
:::: can't do it, but it'd take real commitment.
::
::: From: Roger Zoul (Sun, 6 Jun 2004 10:05:28 -0400)
::: MsgId:
:::
::: Not really.
::
:: If you really want to debate the point, let's establish some
:: boundaries. How many calories do you think he'll burn over a
:: 150-mile ride? If we're going to talk "it is easy to eat that many
:: calories" we should come to some basic understanding of what "that
:: many calories" is.

Okay....I'd guess that he'd average 15 mph....so he'd probably take 10 hours
to complete ride. He weighs about 180 lbs so he'll burn about 4700 kcals.
So on each day of a two-day ride he'll use about 2350 kcals.

::
::: All it takes just getting hungry.
::
:: Perhaps it is subjective but at the level of calories we're talking,
:: I've never been that hungry in my life. I don't see a guy who has
:: dieted to get down to 180 lbs or so getting that hungry either --
:: especially during a ride. All told, I tend to eat LESS when I'm
:: exercising that heavily.

He doesn't necessarily have to eat this during the ride.(I would not do
that!).....there is before and after the event, and some during the event.
If the doesn't get enough carbs, he can suffer from low blood sugar event
during and after a day of riding. Eating a lot of food during exercise is
not helpful at all. But not bonking is enough to bring on a committment,
and this is a two-day ride, so that's 80 miles one day followed up by 70
miles the next. If you don't have a committment, you might well get in
trouble on day two.

And just because you've never been hungry enough to wolf down 2300 kcals....

::
:: Give us an example of how someone who knows about calories and
:: eating right eating, say, 2000-3000 calories a day while riding 75
:: miles/day.

I don't understand what you're asking.


::
::: It is very easy to eat a lot of calories in a very short
::: amount of time, much less time than it takes to do a 150-mile
::: ride.
::
:: We'll come back to this when you've established how many calories
:: you're thinking. I say he'll spend most of his time riding and
:: recovering, not stuffing his face.

If he's riding 5 hours, what makes you think he has to spend a lot of time
stuffing his face to get some calories? He simply has to stop at a rest
stop and eat a three or four cookies, some fruit, and drink something carby.
And if he planned right, he ate some extra the day or evening before.


::
::: And if you know you're going to be riding, there is a
::: tendency to eat in preparation, since on these kinds
::: of rides you definitely don't want to "bonk".
::
:: True. But I doubt most people embarking on something like this sit
:: down and eat a few Big Macs. I know I don't. I also don't see
:: anything that leads me to believe curt will.

Why? I wouldn't pick Big Macs, but he could have pancakes with syrup, rice,
pasta, or any number of other things. Plus what he eats during the ride.
There is also a strong tendency to complete such events with a decent time,
so one doesn't want to go at a snells pace (well, on a first event one
might be content to finish, but on group rides you tend to go faster to keep
pace with other riders). Also, your other activities play into this as
well, and curt exercises a lot.


::
:::: I can burn off my day's calories (low carb or not)
:::: by running for a couple of hours.
::
::: And you can consume that amount of calories you burn in a
::: couple hours of running in less than a minute.
::
:: No, I can't. Even when I'm not controlling my diet, I wouldn't.

Wouldn't and can't have different meanings.

In
:: my worst of dreams, I'd down two Whoppers, some fries, and a drink.

2 whoppers, 1400 kcals, large coke, 330, large fries, 500 kcals. 2230 kcals
in one meal.

:: Or maybe a whole medium thin crust pizza. Again, this is if I'm in
:: total give-a-crap mode. Even eating like that, I can burn off the
:: number of calories in a 2-hr run. FYI, I burn about 1,000 calories
:: an hour running.

Get a pint of good ice cream.

What's your weight and how fast do you run a mile?


::
:: But let's get back to curt. Maybe there's something in his history I
:: haven't seen. Lord knows I don't read every post. Still, when I se
:: his level of fitness (based on the exercising he says he does) and
:: where he's come from, I just don't see it.

Curt loves pizza and beer. He talks about it all the time. He'd be wise to
eat plenty the evening after day one.

::
:::: At an average of 10mph, he's looking at almost 8 hours of
:::: riding per day if he has to do 150 miles over two days.
::
::: He'll do it in less time than that.
::
:: I don't know what his time will be. If you do, feel free to
:: establish is as a baseline for our discussion. I picked a 10 mph
:: average as a safe estimate given the distance, and without knowing
:: the terrain or weather conditions.

I'm guessing that he's a lot faster than I am since I'm 50 to 60 lbs heavier
than he is and he's been at it longer than I have. I really ride a lot of
hills and I can do a good bit better than 10 mph over 50 miles.