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Old November 3rd, 2004, 08:46 PM
JMA
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Beverly wrote:
"Ignoramus14916" wrote in

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On 03 Nov 2004 15:28:55 GMT, RedRipeApple

wrote:
I have another question. What is it about liquid diets that make

them
work? Is
it the fact that they are all liquid? What is the magic here? I

guess
what I
really want to know is: for those who have been on medifast, hmr,

optifast, etc
- do you think someone could do the same thing with all protein

shakes
like EAS
or ISOPURE or a combo of protein shakes as opposed to doing a

structured
plan
like medifast, optifast, etc? Why or why not? Thanks
Apple


They do not work very well.



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=3360564

``Outcome analysis revealed that 25 percent of patients were unable

to
adapt to this approach, dropping out within the first 3 weeks. Of

the
patients remaining in the program, 68 percent lost considerable
weight, but did not reach their goal; of this group, recidivism was
extremely high, with only 5-10 percent maintaining weight loss

after
18 months. Thirty-two percent of the patients successfully attained
goal weight; the holding rate of this group has been considerably
greater, with 30 percent of women and 58 percent of men maintaining
weight loss (within 10 lbs) for a minimum of 18 months.''

I would not call "only 5-10 percent maintaining weight loss after
18 months" to be working very well.

Diets, in general, do not work very well and liquid diets are not

an
exception. Which is not to say that you should not be dieting, but

it
helps to use hard data to make decisions like whether to spend a

lot
of money on a liquid diet.

That said, if you drop some weight and keep it off, even if you do

not
reach goal, you'd be better off than if you did not do that.

Numerous people -- the minority of dieters -- do lose weight on all
kinds of diets, low fat, low carb, low calorie, liquid diets, etc,

and
keep it off. The key is finding the diet that fits your situation
best, and realize that dieting should not be temporary.

--
223/172.5/180


Why didn't you post the entire article? You left off the parts that

suggest
the VLCD approach provides a reasonable success rate for achieving

and
maintaining weight loss.


We know the answer to that question really, now. He makes a habit of
conveniently snipping text and taking information out of context to
support his POV, regardless of the facts - but then he calls me a liar
for making a .6 math error. Yes, someone definitely has trouble with
reality around here and it's not me.

If Bicker were to post, he'd shut his trap again but since he knows I
did HMR too, he has to slam it every chance he gets.

Here's the positive side from the website. Go to it and read the

entire
article for yourself, Apple. There are good sides to this type of

diet,
too. This type of diet probably has just a good success rate as

anyother
diet as long as you stick with it and follow directionsg

Here's some of the positives from the article:
Complications of obesity i.e. hypertension, type II diabetes

mellitus, and
hyperlipidemias were remarkably improved after weight loss.

Complications of
the VLCD including cardiac abnormalities, were minimal. Our 8-year
experience strongly suggests that the VLCD approach using high

quality
protein supplement and multi-disciplinary counselling provides a

reasonable
success rate for achieving and maintaining weight loss in the

morbidity
obese population.

PMID: 3360564 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Beverly


Thanks for bringing up the facts.

Jenn