On May 21, 1:23*pm, James Warren wrote:
On 21/05/2012 12:16 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:

James Warren wrote:

That is a very narrow minded position. If LC works as well as it seems
to work and is safe, then the world at large needs to know about it.
The entrenched regimes needs to change. The best way to do that is to
overwhelm them with solid evidence.

Solid evidence - Go to the mall and look for fat people. *If you see
more than the ancient 10% percentage of obesity that's the result of
decades of low fat pressure. *This is very simple not rocket science.

The entrenched regime needs to be attacked on intellectual and
organizational levels. *Endless low carb studies have been coming out
for over a decade and they are a part of the solution, but only a part.

Those studies are small and the results only suggestive. The critics can
always say "yeah, but". We need to eliminate all criticism by good, large
studies. Looking around the mall and then pointing to what they are eating
is only a plausibility argument. Such arguments need experimental verification.

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-jw

The studies are not all small. The best example of a
large study was the LC data extracted from the Framingham
study that went on for decades. It showed among other
things that heart attack rates increased with glycemic load.
But most of those people were probably still eating a diet
a lot higher in carbs than what many of us are eating.

The part I most disagree with is that you're somehow going
to eliminate all criticism by good, large, studies. I don't see any
one, two, ten more studies settling anything, let alone eliminating
all criticism. Haven't you seen the endless studies coming out
every year on a whole host of dietary issues and their linkage to
obesity, CHD, lifespan, cancer, etc? You'll have a study or two
that suggests some strong linkage to X. About 5 or 10 years
later another study comes out that can't confirm it or refutes it.
That has been going on forever, with just a few exceptions.
The problem is that you can't rigorously control what people
eat, what medications they take, how they live, etc by putting
them in cages like rats. In the real world there are so many
variables that there is always going to be uncertainty in any
data and conclusions you extract. More studies would be
a good thing, I just doubt it will settle anything, at least for
the foreseeable future.