I have two beagles (sisters) one is a lean mean sniffin machine. the
other because of steroids (allergies) has gotten quite obese. I tried
running her but she got shin splints and never got any better. so now
she's really fat and limps. I'm so concerned about her weight
depositing fat around her heart and liver.

My whole family has been LC for a few years and we've all seen reduced
weight, triglycerides and cholesterol. I'm thinking it's time for the
"pet revolution" to begin.

any thoughts?

Patti




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>My whole family has been LC for a few years and we've all seen reduced
>weight, triglycerides and cholesterol. I'm thinking it's time for the
>"pet revolution" to begin.
>
>any thoughts?

I can't imagine why anybody wouldn't feed their dog a 'LC' diet.

LCing since 12/01/03-
Me- 5'7" 265/189/140
& hubby- 6' 310/203/180
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"Alibi Studios" > wrote in message
...
> I have two beagles (sisters) one is a lean mean sniffin machine. the
> other because of steroids (allergies) has gotten quite obese. I tried
> running her but she got shin splints and never got any better. so now
> she's really fat and limps. I'm so concerned about her weight
> depositing fat around her heart and liver.

Think about it this way. Where, in nature, is a dog going to get an endless
supply of rice/corn/wheat as a daily staple in it's diet? That's right,
it's not. Not EVER.

Most commercially prepared foods are the antithesis of natural eating for
carnivores such as dogs and cats. Find a meat based wet dogfood with no
grains/wierd stuff added, put her back on it's NATURAL LC diet, and watch
her health improve. :-)

--
Peace,
Pen
--
Pawbreakers - The Candy for Cats!
http://www.pawbreakers.com

My 15 year old dog has been on low carb for a year and has lost 5 pounds,
which was 14% of his body weight. He weezes much less because of chronic
broncitis and even gets around better. Buy a HIGH QUALITY wet food, with the
first ingredient either beef/meat or water. The grains in the high quality
dog foods are good but make sure they are listed near the bottom of the
ingredient list. You can portion control as well a bit. NO table scraps!

Nat
Green Market
"Alibi Studios" > wrote in message
...
> I have two beagles (sisters) one is a lean mean sniffin machine. the
> other because of steroids (allergies) has gotten quite obese. I tried
> running her but she got shin splints and never got any better. so now
> she's really fat and limps. I'm so concerned about her weight
> depositing fat around her heart and liver.
>
> My whole family has been LC for a few years and we've all seen reduced
> weight, triglycerides and cholesterol. I'm thinking it's time for the
> "pet revolution" to begin.
>
> any thoughts?
>
> Patti
>
>
>
>
> Patricia Glover
> Professional photo retouch artist - Damaged, worn or ripped
> photos repaired - Hand color old black and white photographs
> Web pages designed - personalized animations - Commissioned art
> http://www.alibistudios.com
> http://www.alibimusic.com
>

>
>Think about it this way. Where, in nature, is a dog going to get an endless
>supply of rice/corn/wheat as a daily staple in it's diet? That's right,
>it's not. Not EVER.
>
>Most commercially prepared foods are the antithesis of natural eating for
>carnivores such as dogs and cats. Find a meat based wet dogfood with no
>grains/wierd stuff added, put her back on it's NATURAL LC diet, and watch
>her health improve. :-)
>
>--
>Peace,
>Pen

I was thinking of feeding her some eggs and bacon for a couple weeks.
Most off brand/healthy dog foods have peanut butter in the mix and
she's very allergic to nuts. I'm also thinking that her allergies may
be associated with her dog food. IAMS I've tried other brands but her
coat looks so much better witht he IAMS

She will certainly die as a result of her obesity, and her sister is
so dependant on her

it's hard to watch anyone you love eat themselves to death, even if
it's a dog.

Patti

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On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:40:16 -0400, "The Green Market"
> wrote:

>My 15 year old dog has been on low carb for a year and has lost 5 pounds,
>which was 14% of his body weight. He weezes much less because of chronic
>broncitis and even gets around better. Buy a HIGH QUALITY wet food, with the
>first ingredient either beef/meat or water. The grains in the high quality
>dog foods are good but make sure they are listed near the bottom of the
>ingredient list. You can portion control as well a bit. NO table scraps!
>
>Nat
>Green Market


Nat, she's rationed very well. She eats one cup of dry food (regular
8oz measuring cup) twice per day. anything she doesn't eat is picked
up and not leaft there to munch on.

I will look into thi high quality (as you say) food.

thanks

Patti
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Alibi Studios > wrote:

> I was thinking of feeding her some eggs and bacon for a couple weeks.

eggs and bacon are really not appropriate foods for a dog. google "barf
diet" to find out what kinds of foods *are* appropriate to feed her.

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:30:42 GMT,
(Alibi Studios) wrote:

>I have two beagles (sisters) one is a lean mean sniffin machine. the
>other because of steroids (allergies) has gotten quite obese. I tried
>running her but she got shin splints and never got any better. so now
>she's really fat and limps. I'm so concerned about her weight
>depositing fat around her heart and liver.
>
>My whole family has been LC for a few years and we've all seen reduced
>weight, triglycerides and cholesterol. I'm thinking it's time for the
>"pet revolution" to begin.
>
>any thoughts?
>
>Patti
>

Our cat became diabetic about 8 years ago. I read that cats which
have unrestricted access to dry foods are most likey to develop
diabetes. At one point he was up to 5 units of insulin 2 times a
day. What amazed me was the number of people I ran into that had
diabetic cats. Anyway about 3 years ago, the vet showed us a food
made by Purina with a higher protien content than most wet foods and
way more than dry. We slowly put him on it and have had great
results. He is now down to 1 unit of insulin twice a day and the vet
says he is the best regulated cat she has seen.

Recently I saw a Low Carb cat food by science diet.

after i starting feeling such good results from a LC WOE, i started
searching, (got a "heads up" from a member of this group) for the
LOWEST carb, moderately priced dog food i could find:

PURINA ONE



--
rosie
http://www.truthout.org/index.htm








"Alibi Studios" > wrote in message
...
: I have two beagles (sisters) one is a lean mean sniffin machine.
the
: other because of steroids (allergies) has gotten quite obese. I
tried
: running her but she got shin splints and never got any better. so
now
: she's really fat and limps. I'm so concerned about her weight
: depositing fat around her heart and liver.
:
: My whole family has been LC for a few years and we've all seen
reduced
: weight, triglycerides and cholesterol. I'm thinking it's time for
the
: "pet revolution" to begin.
:
: any thoughts?
:
: Patti
:
:
:
:
: Patricia Glover
: Professional photo retouch artist - Damaged, worn or ripped
: photos repaired - Hand color old black and white photographs
: Web pages designed - personalized animations - Commissioned art
: http://www.alibistudios.com
: http://www.alibimusic.com
:

we use a dry dog food also.
(imo, better for teeth and gums)
PURINA ONE is the lowest carb, moderately priced dog food around our
area!

--
rosie
http://www.truthout.org/index.htm








"Alibi Studios" > wrote in message
...
: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:40:16 -0400, "The Green Market"
: > wrote:
:
: >My 15 year old dog has been on low carb for a year and has lost 5
pounds,
: >which was 14% of his body weight. He weezes much less because of
chronic
: >broncitis and even gets around better. Buy a HIGH QUALITY wet
food, with the
: >first ingredient either beef/meat or water. The grains in the
high quality
: >dog foods are good but make sure they are listed near the bottom
of the
: >ingredient list. You can portion control as well a bit. NO table
scraps!
: >
: >Nat
: >Green Market
:
:
: Nat, she's rationed very well. She eats one cup of dry food
(regular
: 8oz measuring cup) twice per day. anything she doesn't eat is
picked
: up and not leaft there to munch on.
:
: I will look into thi high quality (as you say) food.
:
: thanks
:
: Patti
: Patricia Glover
: Professional photo retouch artist - Damaged, worn or ripped
: photos repaired - Hand color old black and white photographs
: Web pages designed - personalized animations - Commissioned art
: http://www.alibistudios.com
: http://www.alibimusic.com
:

"Alibi Studios" > wrote in message
...
> I have two beagles (sisters) one is a lean mean sniffin machine. the
> other because of steroids (allergies) has gotten quite obese. I tried
> running her but she got shin splints and never got any better. so now
> she's really fat and limps. I'm so concerned about her weight
> depositing fat around her heart and liver.
>
> My whole family has been LC for a few years and we've all seen reduced
> weight, triglycerides and cholesterol. I'm thinking it's time for the
> "pet revolution" to begin.
>
> any thoughts?

There is a holistic vet in my area, and for problem diet animals (allergies
etc), she recommends going to bulk warehouse outlet, and buying bulk lousy
meat cuts (whatever you can get the cheapest). Big, hardly human edible
roasts etc. Chop them into manageable chunks, and feed your dog the raw
beef. There was also a recommended powder, I think it was bone meal, that
she recommended be mixed in with the meat. Assorted vegetables were also
allowed, but a lot of dogs won't eat them. Let them eat once per day only
until they are full, take away the rest, and do not give them anything else
(except water) until about 24 hours later. Dogs are gorgers....they are not
meant to nibble all day long.

GT

My dog has been on LC for quite some time now. She is doing great,
weight good, more energy, no runny bowels, no vomiting, and certainly
less vet bills.

--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

Alibi Studios wrote in message >...
>I have two beagles (sisters) one is a lean mean sniffin machine. the
>other because of steroids (allergies) has gotten quite obese. I tried
>running her but she got shin splints and never got any better. so now
>she's really fat and limps. I'm so concerned about her weight
>depositing fat around her heart and liver.
>
>My whole family has been LC for a few years and we've all seen reduced
>weight, triglycerides and cholesterol. I'm thinking it's time for the
>"pet revolution" to begin.
>
>any thoughts?
>
>Patti
>
>
>
>
>Patricia Glover
>Professional photo retouch artist - Damaged, worn or ripped
>photos repaired - Hand color old black and white photographs
>Web pages designed - personalized animations - Commissioned art
>http://www.alibistudios.com
>http://www.alibimusic.com
>

After seeing those ads, like the new "Active and Alert" from Science Diet, I
always wonder, "Why don't they make LC People Chow?"

:-)

Steve

"rosie read and post" > wrote in message
...
> after i starting feeling such good results from a LC WOE, i started
> searching, (got a "heads up" from a member of this group) for the
> LOWEST carb, moderately priced dog food i could find:
>
> PURINA ONE
>
>
>
> --
> rosie
> http://www.truthout.org/index.htm

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:52:08 -0600, "GT" > wrote:

>"Alibi Studios" > wrote in message
...
>> I have two beagles (sisters) one is a lean mean sniffin machine. the
>> other because of steroids (allergies) has gotten quite obese. I tried
>> running her but she got shin splints and never got any better. so now
>> she's really fat and limps. I'm so concerned about her weight
>> depositing fat around her heart and liver.
>>
>> My whole family has been LC for a few years and we've all seen reduced
>> weight, triglycerides and cholesterol. I'm thinking it's time for the
>> "pet revolution" to begin.
>>
>> any thoughts?
>
>There is a holistic vet in my area, and for problem diet animals (allergies
>etc), she recommends going to bulk warehouse outlet, and buying bulk lousy
>meat cuts (whatever you can get the cheapest). Big, hardly human edible
>roasts etc. Chop them into manageable chunks, and feed your dog the raw
>beef. There was also a recommended powder, I think it was bone meal, that
>she recommended be mixed in with the meat. Assorted vegetables were also
>allowed, but a lot of dogs won't eat them. Let them eat once per day only
>until they are full, take away the rest, and do not give them anything else
>(except water) until about 24 hours later. Dogs are gorgers....they are not
>meant to nibble all day long.
>
>GT
>

We rescued a dog from death (beagle) from a breeder who had culled
it and planned on killing it. Emily never stops eating. She eats
until she pukes and then eats again. You see, she was kicked away
from the feeding trough and had to steal any food she could to
survive. She was afraid of mens boots and would grab food and run
away to eat it.

We have had her on a low-fat dry food diet and she is looking fine,
but we have to limit her to 1 cup a day plus limited table scraps or
she gains weight.

When we come home she jumps up on us and greets us with great
enthusiasm. Ben Stein says that his wife paid money so their dog
wouldn't do that but it was a mistake. He said he would pay someone
to train his dog jump on him when he comes home because he didn't get
much of a greeting from either his wife or his son. I agree.

Bob

The experts still haven't figured out how humans should be fed. Finding a
correct answer on dog feeding is likely in the same situation.

I've read that predators in the wild eat the fat first and may leave the
lean meats behind.

I tried feeding my dog raw meat, but the first time I gave it to him he got
diarrhea. He refused to eat anymore of the raw stuff after that.

I now read labels on dog food cans to exclude the ones with rice and flour.
Smart and Final has a large 3 pound box of Oscar Mayer hotdogs for $4.69.
He loves hotdogs. The dog seems happy and healthy, so far.

Dog food is taxable. Human food fed to a dog is tax free.



"Alibi Studios" > wrote in message
...
> I have two beagles (sisters) one is a lean mean sniffin machine. the
> other because of steroids (allergies) has gotten quite obese. I tried
> running her but she got shin splints and never got any better. so now
> she's really fat and limps. I'm so concerned about her weight
> depositing fat around her heart and liver.
>
> My whole family has been LC for a few years and we've all seen reduced
> weight, triglycerides and cholesterol. I'm thinking it's time for the
> "pet revolution" to begin.
>
> any thoughts?
>
> Patti
>
>
>
>
> Patricia Glover
> Professional photo retouch artist - Damaged, worn or ripped
> photos repaired - Hand color old black and white photographs
> Web pages designed - personalized animations - Commissioned art
> http://www.alibistudios.com
> http://www.alibimusic.com
>

I feed my dog meat from dinner time. I make him a extra portion. I also cut it
up very small, or he will puke the food back up.

He also eats dog foods. Homestyle kibbles and bits he likes the best. My dog is
picky when it comes to dog food. He will even pick through it, leave behind
what he don't like.

Mention the word.. chicken or ham. He recognizes the word. His tail starts
wagging like crazy. He likes scrambled eggs.. Is it ok to feed him that?

My dog is not overweight. Has great muslce definition also. Energetic, happy.

I just hope I am feeding him alright.

My dog lost it for a time there when we began low carbing. He was used to fast
food bags coming in the house, and also recognized the bags.. Dogs are so
smart. He missed it so much.. the fast food hamburgers... So he too had some
issues.. LOL. Well, me and the kids did too, by feeding him the junk. He no
longer eats that stuff. He eats as close to possible.. Whole foods. Just like
us.

Dogs too can eat low carb I think.

:)

GT wrote:
> Alibi Studios wrote:
>
> > I have two beagles (sisters) one is a lean mean sniffin machine. the
> > other because of steroids (allergies) has gotten quite obese.

I am wheat intollerant so whenever I read about dogs with allergies
the first thing I suspect is the grain in dog food. I'm biased, but
it may be worth trying a grain-free or nearly so diet for a week or
two and see how it works. In nature dogs don't eat much grass.

> > My whole family has been LC for a few years and we've all seen reduced
> > weight, triglycerides and cholesterol. I'm thinking it's time for the
> > "pet revolution" to begin.
> > any thoughts?

Dogs seem to do even better than humans with low carb. That should
not be surprising. Humans are omnivores that recently evolved from
fruit eaters. Dogs are omnivores that recently evolved from
farther toward carnivore. Both species evolved towards the same
optimal diet but from different directions.

> Dogs are gorgers....they are not meant to nibble all day long.

However if you start them from the day they are weaned and they never
see a day without hunger, they will not gorge. You can keep dry dog
food in a bowl available for the dog to graze on and if it is true
from the day they first eat solid food on, without skipping even one
day, they will stay like that for life. I've done it. But skip even
a single day when your dog is hungry and forget leaving the bowl out
like that. Dogs are inclined to gorge and even a single day is enough
to break a habit that took the dog's entire life to form.

Alibi Studios > wrote:
> Nat, she's rationed very well. She eats one cup of dry food (regular
> 8oz measuring cup) twice per day. anything she doesn't eat is picked
> up and not leaft there to munch on.
>
> I will look into thi high quality (as you say) food.

Canned pet food will be less carby than dry. I switched my elderly
cats (one became diabetic) from Science Diet Dry to Wellness canned.
The cat that isn't diabetic was fat, but slimmed down in a few months
on the new diet. The Wellness site to find a local vet-vendor is
http://www.oldmotherhubbard.com

A couple of quotes from the Wellness dogfood page:

Wellness does not contain any rendered animal fats, meat by-products,
wheat, corn or white rice and also does not contain any artificial
colors, flavors or preservatives of any kind.

Wellness Dog Food: Ranked a "Top Dry Dog Food" by Whole Dog
Journal (WDJ)

I also give them just a little bit of Purina diabetic/LC prescription
dry as a small snack, as they still beg for crunchies where the dry
food cannister used to be. The vet said that hospitalized pets prefer
the new Purina LC dry to the new Hills LC dry, and my cats practically
inhale their snack of it.

HTH
--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

O how I wish I had read this thread a few years ago.

My mother's sweet big labrador retriever died Friday night. We don't know why,
it was a sudden and quiet death, like heart failure or a stroke. Her dog was
very chubby, though my mother worked at controlling her diet. She fed her dog
the recommended amount of dry food, can't remember which brand, once a day.
She also gave her one treat a day. She'd taken her dog to the vet for a
checkup the month before. Her dog was 12 years old, not young but not elderly.


While visiting her a few weeks ago, I suggested she might change her dog's diet
from mostly dry food to mostly wet food, with a goal of trying a higher protein
diet. I wanted to look into it and see what I could find out. As both my mom
and her dog are older, they weren't exercizing like they used to. Getting her
dog's weight under control seemed impossible, so I reasoned that the diet was
not balanced for her dog. It was worth a try.

Well, sadly it is too late for her.

But not for my cats. I think it is time to look into their diet and cut out
the crunchies.

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
. ..
> Alibi Studios > wrote:
>
> > I was thinking of feeding her some eggs and bacon for a couple weeks.
>
> eggs and bacon are really not appropriate foods for a dog. google "barf
> diet" to find out what kinds of foods *are* appropriate to feed her.


Agreed. I don't 100% agreed with the BARF diet as a long term solution (too
finicky to get nutrients totally right, IMHO) but with supplementation short
term it should do wonders. :-)

--
Peace,
Pen
--
Pawbreakers - The Candy for Cats!
http://www.pawbreakers.com

"rosie read and post" > wrote in message
...
> we use a dry dog food also.
> (imo, better for teeth and gums)
> PURINA ONE is the lowest carb, moderately priced dog food around our
> area!
>
> --
> rosie
> http://www.truthout.org/index.htm
>

This is not a personal attack, rather, a pet peeve.

I've always hated that 'teeth and gums' argument. The problem is that they
don't eat the natural scrapers of bones, fur, feathers, and scales when
eating the processed wet food we have commercially available...at least not
in their natural format. So yeah, just like people, they need to go to the
dentist once a year since we can't replicate the natural diet perfectly. If
they aren't taken to the dentist regularly, then we certainly will see that
dry food is 'better for the teeth and gums'.

--
Peace,
Pen
--
Pawbreakers - The Candy for Cats!
http://www.pawbreakers.com

"Xray658" > wrote in message
...
> O how I wish I had read this thread a few years ago.
>
> While visiting her a few weeks ago, I suggested she might change her dog's
diet
> from mostly dry food to mostly wet food, with a goal of trying a higher
protein
> diet. I wanted to look into it and see what I could find out. As both my
mom
> and her dog are older, they weren't exercizing like they used to. Getting
her
> dog's weight under control seemed impossible, so I reasoned that the diet
was
> not balanced for her dog. It was worth a try.
>
> Well, sadly it is too late for her.
>
> But not for my cats. I think it is time to look into their diet and cut
out
> the crunchies.

Go you! Seriously, I leave down dry food for my cats 24x7x365 and whenever
I go on vacation, but twice a day they get a can. Normally they elect not
to eat the dry food at all, but it's there if they get the nibbles.
Energetic, great attitudes, happy kitties (and the oldest is pushing 15!)

--
Peace,
Pen
--
Pawbreakers - The Candy for Cats!
http://www.pawbreakers.com

I brush my dogs teeth and gums everyday with Colgate watermelon flavor
or the bubblegum flavor. She loves it. :-)
--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

Penelope Baker wrote in message >...
>"rosie read and post" > wrote in message
...
>> we use a dry dog food also.
>> (imo, better for teeth and gums)
>> PURINA ONE is the lowest carb, moderately priced dog food around our
>> area!
>>
>> --
>> rosie
>> http://www.truthout.org/index.htm
>>
>
>This is not a personal attack, rather, a pet peeve.
>
>I've always hated that 'teeth and gums' argument. The problem is that
they
>don't eat the natural scrapers of bones, fur, feathers, and scales when
>eating the processed wet food we have commercially available...at least
not
>in their natural format. So yeah, just like people, they need to go to
the
>dentist once a year since we can't replicate the natural diet
perfectly. If
>they aren't taken to the dentist regularly, then we certainly will see
that
>dry food is 'better for the teeth and gums'.
>
>--
>Peace,
>Pen
>--
>Pawbreakers - The Candy for Cats!
>http://www.pawbreakers.com
>
>

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
> I brush my dogs teeth and gums everyday with Colgate watermelon flavor
> or the bubblegum flavor. She loves it. :-)
> --
> Cheri
> Type 2, no meds for now.
>

ROFL! That works too, but lots of folks won't go to that trouble, whereas
an annual dentist appointment is a bit more 'accessible'. :-)

--
Peace,
Pen
--
Pawbreakers - The Candy for Cats!
http://www.pawbreakers.com

"Alibi Studios" > wrote in message
...

> My whole family has been LC for a few years and we've all seen reduced
> weight, triglycerides and cholesterol. I'm thinking it's time for the
> "pet revolution" to begin.
>
> any thoughts?
>
> Patti

Eggs and bacon may be okay for us for breakfast, but really wouldn't be good
for the dog.

A natural raw diet is great for dogs, but really needs commitment and
research. I raise German Shepherd Dogs, and they have done marvelously well
on a raw diet. We feed raw chicken frames, chicken necks and wings, beef and
lamb parts; rabbit; livers/hearts/kidneys/tripe in limited amounts; raw egg;
ground up greens, carrots, pumpkin, garlic with a bit of vinegar in small
amounts (to simulate stomach contents). Plus we supplement with kelp,
alfalfa and fish oil. Sometimes I think the dogs eat better than we do. They
love it, but then they've never known anything else.

But one shouldn't switch a dog over to a new diet all at once. And you have
to be careful; large quantities of muscle meat are not recommended, there's
got to be a proper proportion of bone and vegetable matter, and even then,
it has to be the right kind of bone and vegetable matter. Some foods human
can eat (like grapes) can kill a dog. Not all dogs can eat chicken quarters,
they can become impacted, which also can kill them. There are a number of
books and web sites that can help you decide what's best for you and your
dog (do a search for raw dog food at your favorite online bookstore), but as
with so many things, rarely will two agree. You will have to be discerning.

If a raw diet isn't for you and your dog, there are a number of decent wet
and dry foods you can try. Check the ingredient list and make sure meat
rather than corn or some other grain is the primary ingredient. There's a
ton of info on the web about prepared dog foods.

anka




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rosie read and post > wrote:
> after i starting feeling such good results from a LC WOE, i started
> searching, (got a "heads up" from a member of this group) for the
> LOWEST carb, moderately priced dog food i could find:
>
> PURINA ONE

Where did you see that? 'Cause it looked like the Purina One line
was about 25% protein and 55% carb like most any other supermarket
dogfood anywhere I could find it listed. I had to add up protein,
fat, fiber and water percents, because I couldn't find a chart with
carbs listed, like the ones I have for cat foods.

I saw a blurb that Pedigree has a high protein dog food, though
http://www.ktre.com/Global/story.asp?S=1749643

New research from Pedigree Food for Dogs, found a high-protein,
low-carb diet helped dogs lose weight, while helping maintain
muscle. This research is finding its way into new products like
Pedigree Weight Loss, which offers dogs a food that’s 50 percent
protein – the highest of its kind.

"Our research shows that exceptionally high protein diets can help
dogs lose up to 10-percent of their weight over a 12-week period,"
says Tiffany Bierer, a nutritionist for Pedigree Dog Food.

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

Xray658 > wrote:
> But not for my cats. I think it is time to look into their diet and cut out
> the crunchies.

If they're not diabetic, and don't like canned, they might do well
with the Purina DM (sold at some vets, not stores). It's high
protein and only 13% carb, which is hugely less than most dry,
and only 2% higher in carb than the canned kitten food the vet
initially put my diabetic cat on.

I couldn't find nice charts like these for dog food, but here are
charts for catfood.

http://www.sugarcats.net/sites/jmpeerson/canfood.html
http://www.sugarcats.net/sites/jmpeerson/dryfood.html

If they've only been eating dry, I recommend you avoid trying canned
cat food in beef flavors. When I had to switch mine from dry to LC
canned for the diabetes, they barfed anything with beef or beef liver.
I've never seen a housecat take down a cow.

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

There actually IS such a thing, and my beagle is on it! I get it from my
vet, and its in a black back with orange writing called O/M (Overweight
Management). It is based on a low carb diet, and is starting to work. It
just came out last year after an extensive multiyear study comparing its
performance with other weight management specialty pet foods, where is did
exceptionally well. My vet has his dog on it as well.

Kim

"Alibi Studios" > wrote in message
...
> I have two beagles (sisters) one is a lean mean sniffin machine. the
> other because of steroids (allergies) has gotten quite obese. I tried
> running her but she got shin splints and never got any better. so now
> she's really fat and limps. I'm so concerned about her weight
> depositing fat around her heart and liver.
>
> My whole family has been LC for a few years and we've all seen reduced
> weight, triglycerides and cholesterol. I'm thinking it's time for the
> "pet revolution" to begin.
>
> any thoughts?
>
> Patti
>
>
>
>
> Patricia Glover
> Professional photo retouch artist - Damaged, worn or ripped
> photos repaired - Hand color old black and white photographs
> Web pages designed - personalized animations - Commissioned art
> http://www.alibistudios.com
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>

Cubit wrote:
>
> The experts still haven't figured out how humans should be fed. Finding a
> correct answer on dog feeding is likely in the same situation.

It is possible to find the ideal nutrition for dogs in a way that is
impossible for humans. With dogs you can take a few hundred of them,
pick a specific nutrient, and for their entire lives give each dog
some amount. Dogs only live 1-2 decades so it only takes 4-5 decades
to find the ideal amount-per-pound of any one nutrient to feed a dog
for the longest lifespan.

This method has in fact been used to find out the exact mineral and
vitamin needs of dogs, cats and numerous livestock animals. Cattle
get mineral supplements now to ensure their fastest growth.

In time these studies will be conducted at different carb/fat/protein
ratios and it will be known what the ideal mixture is for a dog.
For all I know Purina and other companies have been conducting these
studies for many years.

"Doug Freyburger" > wrote in message
om...

> However if you start them from the day they are weaned and they never
> see a day without hunger, they will not gorge. You can keep dry dog
> food in a bowl available for the dog to graze on and if it is true
> from the day they first eat solid food on, without skipping even one
> day, they will stay like that for life. I've done it. But skip even
> a single day when your dog is hungry and forget leaving the bowl out
> like that. Dogs are inclined to gorge and even a single day is enough
> to break a habit that took the dog's entire life to form.

I've had the same experience. Pets have always had access to dry food and
none of them were fat, nor did they gorge.

Regards,
Gunn

"Cubit" > wrote in message
m...

> Dog food is taxable. Human food fed to a dog is tax free.

Poor people have been known to feed the cat canned tuna because food stamps
would pay for it. <sigh>

Regards,
Gunn

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:34:55 GMT, "Gunnloth" > wrote:

>Poor people have been known to feed the cat canned tuna because food stamps
>would pay for it. <sigh>

No food stamps here, but there have been a couple times when we've run out
of money before running out of month. Tried giving the cat tuna and
salmon. The little creep doesn't like fish! He prefers broccoli.

Carol
--
Fasting BG 141
227/216/150 (official weigh-in day: Thursday)
June Challenge Goal: 213
Bernstein Diabetes Solution 5/25/2004
Diabetes Dx 5/15/2001
Diet, Exercise, Oral Medication

Doug Freyburger > wrote:
> GT wrote:
>> Dogs are gorgers....they are not meant to nibble all day long.
>
> However if you start them from the day they are weaned and they never
> see a day without hunger, they will not gorge. You can keep dry dog
> food in a bowl available for the dog to graze on and if it is true
> from the day they first eat solid food on, without skipping even one
> day, they will stay like that for life. I've done it. But skip even
> a single day when your dog is hungry and forget leaving the bowl out
> like that. Dogs are inclined to gorge and even a single day is enough
> to break a habit that took the dog's entire life to form.

One of my cats was adopted as a starving kitten, and has had what I
call "empty bowl anxiety" all his life (on premium dry). Even though
he never went hungry, anytime I let his bowl get completely empty
before filling it, he would eat until he threw up.

It's been somewhat of a problem since he went diabetic, because I have
to try to feed him on a schedule of canned instead of leaving a whole
day's food out, and I have to constantly shoo him away from the other
cat's portion. He wasn't overweight until he developed the diabetes,
and then he pretty much turned into a furry beach ball before he
was diagnosed. The LC diet controls his blood sugar wonderfully
without insulin, but his appetite or food anxiety is keeping him fat.

The other cat is older and arthritic, and less nimble than the beach
ball. The fat one can still manage to jump onto the bed, for example,
while the older one stopped trying to get on the bed or window sills
years ago. He probably could, now that he lost weight on LC and is
on an excellent arthritis medication, but I think he's afraid to try.
So I can't leave his food somewhere where fatso can't get to it.
And the older one remains a grazer and nibbler, even if I take the
food away between meals, so I can't close fatso in a room for a while
to let the other one eat, I'd have to shut him in the room for hours.

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

On 29 Jun 2004, Doug Freyburger wrote:

> Cubit wrote:
> >
> > The experts still haven't figured out how humans should be fed. Finding a
> > correct answer on dog feeding is likely in the same situation.
>
> It is possible to find the ideal nutrition for dogs in a way that is
> impossible for humans. With dogs you can take a few hundred of them,
> pick a specific nutrient, and for their entire lives give each dog
> some amount. Dogs only live 1-2 decades so it only takes 4-5 decades
> to find the ideal amount-per-pound of any one nutrient to feed a dog
> for the longest lifespan.
>
> This method has in fact been used to find out the exact mineral and
> vitamin needs of dogs, cats and numerous livestock animals. Cattle
> get mineral supplements now to ensure their fastest growth.
>
> In time these studies will be conducted at different carb/fat/protein
> ratios and it will be known what the ideal mixture is for a dog.
> For all I know Purina and other companies have been conducting these
> studies for many years.

They may *know* but if carbs are cheap and protein is comparatively
expensive, what do you think they'll fill their products with?

Martha


--
Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can
go. (T.S. Eliott)

"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:34:55 GMT, "Gunnloth" > wrote:
>
> >Poor people have been known to feed the cat canned tuna because food
stamps
> >would pay for it. <sigh>
>
> No food stamps here, but there have been a couple times when we've run out
> of money before running out of month. Tried giving the cat tuna and
> salmon. The little creep doesn't like fish! He prefers broccoli.

lol! As a child I had a dog that would eat raspberries right off the bush.

Regards,
Gunn

Tell your dog about personal responsibility...and when an enabler like you
overfeeds the dog, hopefully he'll just say "no."

"Alibi Studios" > wrote in message
...
> I have two beagles (sisters) one is a lean mean sniffin machine. the
> other because of steroids (allergies) has gotten quite obese. I tried
> running her but she got shin splints and never got any better. so now
> she's really fat and limps. I'm so concerned about her weight
> depositing fat around her heart and liver.
>
> My whole family has been LC for a few years and we've all seen reduced
> weight, triglycerides and cholesterol. I'm thinking it's time for the
> "pet revolution" to begin.
>
> any thoughts?
>
> Patti
>
>
>
>
> Patricia Glover
> Professional photo retouch artist - Damaged, worn or ripped
> photos repaired - Hand color old black and white photographs
> Web pages designed - personalized animations - Commissioned art
> http://www.alibistudios.com
> http://www.alibimusic.com
>

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:19:03 GMT, "Gunnloth" > wrote:

>"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> No food stamps here, but there have been a couple times when we've run out
>> of money before running out of month. Tried giving the cat tuna and
>> salmon. The little creep doesn't like fish! He prefers broccoli.
>
>lol! As a child I had a dog that would eat raspberries right off the bush.

The dog we had when I was growing up (a chihuahua-rat terrier named Taffy)
used to eat both raspberries and strawberries directly from the plants.
She also loved malted milk balls. Every Christmas, Mom and Dad would wrap
a small number of MMBs in tissue paper, and she'd unwrap her own gift.
She was a cool dog. :-)

Missy, whose "nationality" I don't recall, used to constantly beg to go
outside in autumn. We had three crabapple trees, and she wanted to eat the
fallen apples.

Carol
--
Fasting BG 141
227/216/150 (official weigh-in day: Thursday)
June Challenge Goal: 213
Bernstein Diabetes Solution 5/25/2004
Diabetes Dx 5/15/2001
Diet, Exercise, Oral Medication

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:43:14 GMT, "The Low-Carb Bartender"
> wrote:

>Tell your dog about personal responsibility...and when an enabler like you
>overfeeds the dog, hopefully he'll just say "no."

You tell 'er! When a dog starts obsessing over food, no good will ever
come of it.

Woof!
Carol (tongue planted firmly in cheek)
--
Fasting BG 141
227/216/150 (official weigh-in day: Thursday)
June Challenge Goal: 213
Bernstein Diabetes Solution 5/25/2004
Diabetes Dx 5/15/2001
Diet, Exercise, Oral Medication

My folks had a raspberry patch in their back yard and their dog would go
back there and eat all the raspberries that had fallen off or were low
hanging.

In gy.com,
Gunnloth > stated
|
| lol! As a child I had a dog that would eat raspberries right off the
| bush.
|
| Regards,
| Gunn

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:43:14 GMT, "The Low-Carb Bartender"
> wrote:

>Tell your dog about personal responsibility...and when an enabler like you
>overfeeds the dog, hopefully he'll just say "no."
>


Okay I just have to speak up right here. Did you read my post?? I said
one beagle is a lean mean sniffin machine and the other is fat because
of steroids for her severe allergies. Steroids do make dogs gain a lot
of weight (that's a fact) if you read the rest of the string you would
also see that I feed her one cup (the measuring kind in your kitchen)
in the morning and again in the evening. She's on such a reduced
intake now that I worry about her. I also tried taking her running
with me. I did not cause this dog to be fat. So please don't chastize
me.

Patti

P S I did cause myself to get fat, though
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On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:50:40 GMT, (The Queen of
Cans and Jars) wrote:

>Alibi Studios > wrote:
>
>> I was thinking of feeding her some eggs and bacon for a couple weeks.
>
>eggs and bacon are really not appropriate foods for a dog. google "barf
>diet" to find out what kinds of foods *are* appropriate to feed her.

I did google the BARF diet and found a local distributor here in Las
Vegas. thanks for the input

Patti

Patricia Glover
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>
> Wellness Dog Food: Ranked a "Top Dry Dog Food" by Whole Dog
> Journal (WDJ)
>
>I also give them just a little bit of Purina diabetic/LC prescription
>dry as a small snack, as they still beg for crunchies where the dry
>food cannister used to be. The vet said that hospitalized pets prefer
>the new Purina LC dry to the new Hills LC dry, and my cats practically
>inhale their snack of it.
>
>HTH

I found that what i feed her is right up there with the lowest carb
kibble there is. Funny... I always added wet food to the kibble to
make sure she'd eat the kibble. I found a local distributor (a vet)
that has the BARF diet patties. I'm going to go get some tomorrow.

Thanks

Patti

Patricia Glover
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photos repaired - Hand color old black and white photographs
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On 29 Jun 2004 01:59:59 GMT, (jamie) wrote:

>rosie read and post > wrote:
>> after i starting feeling such good results from a LC WOE, i started
>> searching, (got a "heads up" from a member of this group) for the
>> LOWEST carb, moderately priced dog food i could find:
>>
>> PURINA ONE
>
>Where did you see that? 'Cause it looked like the Purina One line
>was about 25% protein and 55% carb like most any other supermarket
>dogfood anywhere I could find it listed. I had to add up protein,
>fat, fiber and water percents, because I couldn't find a chart with
>carbs listed, like the ones I have for cat foods.
>
>I saw a blurb that Pedigree has a high protein dog food, though
>http://www.ktre.com/Global/story.asp?S=1749643
>
> New research from Pedigree Food for Dogs, found a high-protein,
> low-carb diet helped dogs lose weight, while helping maintain
> muscle. This research is finding its way into new products like
> Pedigree Weight Loss, which offers dogs a food that’s 50 percent
> protein – the highest of its kind.
>
> "Our research shows that exceptionally high protein diets can help
> dogs lose up to 10-percent of their weight over a 12-week period,"
> says Tiffany Bierer, a nutritionist for Pedigree Dog Food.

Look at IAMS that's what I've been feeding her, rationed for a fat dog
and it's got a very high rating for protein/carb ratio. It is NOT
cheap. Her steroids have her looking like a whale. sometimes she gets
herself beached on the sofa and has to roll off to go bark at someone.

Patti

Patricia Glover
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:49:03 GMT, (Alibi
Studios) wrote:

>On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:43:14 GMT, "The Low-Carb Bartender"
> wrote:
>
>>Tell your dog about personal responsibility...and when an enabler like you
>>overfeeds the dog, hopefully he'll just say "no."
>
>Okay I just have to speak up right here. Did you read my post?? I said
>one beagle is a lean mean sniffin machine and the other is fat because
>of steroids for her severe allergies. Steroids do make dogs gain a lot
>of weight (that's a fact) if you read the rest of the string you would
>also see that I feed her one cup (the measuring kind in your kitchen)
>in the morning and again in the evening. She's on such a reduced
>intake now that I worry about her. I also tried taking her running
>with me. I did not cause this dog to be fat. So please don't chastize
>me.

That post (and mine following it) was meant in fun. At JCs expense. He's
always saying that kind of crap to us humans. I hope things will continue
to improve with your dogs. I'm a dog person, too.

Carol
--
Fasting BG 141
227/216/150 (official weigh-in day: Thursday)
June Challenge Goal: 213
Bernstein Diabetes Solution 5/25/2004
Diabetes Dx 5/15/2001
Diet, Exercise, Oral Medication

>That post (and mine following it) was meant in fun. At JCs expense. He's
>always saying that kind of crap to us humans. I hope things will continue
>to improve with your dogs. I'm a dog person, too.
>
>Carol

Oh! So sorry... I always look for the <g> when people are kidding.

I found a local (Las Vegas) distributor of BARF food for my beagles.
Funny I have one fat cat and one skinny cat. One fat dog and one
skinny dog.

I'm so confused.

Patti

Patricia Glover
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photos repaired - Hand color old black and white photographs
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:28:07 GMT, (Alibi
Studios) wrote:

>>That post (and mine following it) was meant in fun. At JCs expense. He's
>>always saying that kind of crap to us humans. I hope things will continue
>>to improve with your dogs. I'm a dog person, too.
>>
>>Carol
>
>Oh! So sorry... I always look for the <g> when people are kidding.

Nothing to be sorry for! Usenet isn't always conducive to expressing
emotional tone, and sometimes, like this, it's an inside joke.

>I found a local (Las Vegas) distributor of BARF food for my beagles.
>Funny I have one fat cat and one skinny cat. One fat dog and one
>skinny dog.
>
>I'm so confused.

I don't blame you a bit! Hang in there.

Carol
--
Fasting BG 141
227/216/150 (official weigh-in day: Thursday)
June Challenge Goal: 213
Bernstein Diabetes Solution 5/25/2004
Diabetes Dx 5/15/2001
Diet, Exercise, Oral Medication