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Can you cook BONE-IN chicken thighs in a George Foreman grill?
Can you cook BONE-IN chicken thighs in a George Foreman grill? If so, any tips?
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Can you cook BONE-IN chicken thighs in a George Foreman grill?
"Utter Simpleton" writes:
Can you cook BONE-IN chicken thighs in a George Foreman grill? If so, any tips? I've never tried it, but you probably could as long as they were fairly uniformly thick. You could try it, and test with a meat thermometer to make sure they get done all over. The Foreman Grill cookbook, of course -- because they want to sell a lot of units -- makes a big honking deal about taking the fat out of everything. So every recipe calls for boneless, skinless chicken breasts, but those would often be as thick as a bone-in thigh. Speaking of which -- why is it that so many recipes claiming to be low-fat insist on *boneless* chicken? Do they think taking the bone out somehow makes them less fatty? I guess that'd make as much sense as most of the low-fat dogma. -- Aaron -- 285/235/200 -- http://aaron.baugher.biz/ "If you hear hoofbeats, you just go ahead and think horsies, not zebras." |
Can you cook BONE-IN chicken thighs in a George Foreman grill?
Utter Simpleton wrote:
Can you cook BONE-IN chicken thighs in a George Foreman grill? If so, any tips? Probably. Just take good notes. You can download a nice cooking schedule from the George Foreman (Salton) website, and I am copying from my old downloaded file. grill_times.htm might come up on a web search for you. ------------------------------------------------- Pretend that you are cooking a Chicken Breast Bone-In (up to 2" thk.) [ From the Salton Website ] {????..... 7 Minutes} (I added this 'cause thin thighs might cook fast) Rare ..... 9 Minutes Medium ...11 Minutes Well Done 12 Minutes ---------------------------------------------------- I would put three thighs in and at 9 minutes cut into the first to see if it is done enough to eat. If not done then repeat at 11 minutes with the second thigh. If not done then repeat at 13 minutes with the third thigh. Of course, put back onto the grill the thighs that weren't cooked well enough, then they won't be wasted. But cut into an uncut thigh to get a valid test for doneness. Make notes of your findings and then make sure you nail down the cooking time you prefer for the way you want to eat your chicken thigh. Keep this time somewhere safe. |
Can you cook BONE-IN chicken thighs in a George Foreman grill?
Aaron Baugher wrote:
:: "Utter Simpleton" writes: :: ::: Can you cook BONE-IN chicken thighs in a George Foreman grill? If ::: so, any tips? :: :: I've never tried it, but you probably could as long as they were :: fairly uniformly thick. You could try it, and test with a meat :: thermometer to make sure they get done all over. :: :: The Foreman Grill cookbook, of course -- because they want to sell a :: lot of units -- makes a big honking deal about taking the fat out of :: everything. So every recipe calls for boneless, skinless chicken :: breasts, but those would often be as thick as a bone-in thigh. :: :: Speaking of which -- why is it that so many recipes claiming to be :: low-fat insist on *boneless* chicken? Do they think taking the bone :: out somehow makes them less fatty? I guess that'd make as much sense :: as most of the low-fat dogma. :: "If you go to the trouble of removing the bone, the skin must also have been taken off," would be my guess. :: :: :: -- :: Aaron -- 285/235/200 -- http://aaron.baugher.biz/ :: :: "If you hear hoofbeats, you just go ahead and think horsies, not :: zebras." |
Can you cook BONE-IN chicken thighs in a George Foreman grill?
On Jan 31, 3:08 pm, "Utter Simpleton" wrote:
Can you cook BONE-IN chicken thighs in a George Foreman grill? If so, any tips? Uhm, Thighs are VERY EASY to bone (way easier than breasts). If you don't trust the foreman to do it (I would worry about time/temperature reactions in the elastin and other connective tissue, considering that most Foremans are underpowered for thick stuff you want to do through). I suppose you could do it, but considering the ease of boning, why not? |
Can you cook BONE-IN chicken thighs in a George Foreman grill?
On Jan 31, 2:08 pm, "Utter Simpleton" wrote:
Can you cook BONE-IN chicken thighs in a George Foreman grill? If so, any tips? Yep. And you can cook it in better and much cheaper household cooking utensils too. Skillets, baking pans, broiler pans, etc. They are a lot cheaper and do a better job and are just as easy to use. Real cooks use them all the time. TC |
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"Utter Simpleton" wrote in message
. .. Can you cook I've seen this referenced a lot. "George Foreman himself has made over $150 million from the sales of the grills" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Foreman_Grill What exactly was the relationship between this pugilist and a cooking device? -- Bob http://www.kanyak.com |
Can you cook BONE-IN chicken thighs in a George Foreman grill?
"Roger Zoul" wrote:
Aaron Baugher wrote: :: Speaking of which -- why is it that so many recipes claiming to be :: low-fat insist on *boneless* chicken? Do they think taking the bone :: out somehow makes them less fatty? I guess that'd make as much sense :: as most of the low-fat dogma. "If you go to the trouble of removing the bone, the skin must also have been taken off," would be my guess. The marrow contains lots of fat. I don't know how much fat comes out of chicken bones but lots comes out of red meat bones. Folks remove bones and skin to reduce the fat. Sure enough most of the flavor comes from the bones and the fat. At least make stock! |
Can you cook BONE-IN chicken thighs in a George Foreman grill?
Can you cook BONE-IN chicken thighs in a George Foreman grill? If so, any tips? Yep. And you can cook it in better and much cheaper household cooking utensils too. Skillets, baking pans, broiler pans, etc. They are a lot cheaper and do a better job and are just as easy to use. Real cooks use them all the time. TC And have you ever tried to clean a Foreman grill? Who needs that! Just use a skillet! Pat in TX |
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What exactly was the relationship between this pugilist and a cooking device? -- Bob They've both been knocked flat? They both have grid marks on their faces? They both heat up? |
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Opinicus wrote:
:: "Utter Simpleton" wrote in message :: . .. ::: Can you cook :: :: I've seen this referenced a lot. :: :: "George Foreman himself has made over $150 million from the sales of :: the grills" :: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Foreman_Grill :: :: What exactly was the relationship between this pugilist and a cooking :: device? After Foreman got beat down by Ali, he got really angry & went into depression for many years. After that, he reemerged with a big smile. His entired attitude changed. He became a ring-side expert commentator at HBO boxing events. People noticed that smile. Because he was well known and had that smile, IMO, he was picked to help market those grills. Of course, you could see the fat rolling off the grill into the little tray, so that naturally meant that it had to make eating a fat steak more healthy. Of course, college students like grills and so do many of us. Lots of us here own or have owned one of these, I'd bet. I rarely use mine now because it's such a damn pain to clean. |
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After Foreman got beat down by Ali, he got really angry & went into depression for many years. After that, he reemerged with a big smile. His entired attitude changed. He became a ring-side expert commentator at HBO boxing events. People noticed that smile. Because he was well known and had that smile, IMO, he was picked to help market those grills. Of course, you could see the fat rolling off the grill into the little tray, so that naturally meant that it had to make eating a fat steak more healthy. Of course, college students like grills and so do many of us. Lots of us here own or have owned one of these, I'd bet. I rarely use mine now because it's such a damn pain to clean. what he said. (or as my son would say: word!) Pat in TX |
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Roger Zoul wrote:
Opinicus wrote: :: "Utter Simpleton" wrote in message :: . .. ::: Can you cook :: :: I've seen this referenced a lot. :: :: "George Foreman himself has made over $150 million from the sales of :: the grills" :: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Foreman_Grill :: :: What exactly was the relationship between this pugilist and a cooking :: device? After Foreman got beat down by Ali, he got really angry & went into depression for many years. After that, he reemerged with a big smile. His entired attitude changed. He became a ring-side expert commentator at HBO boxing events. People noticed that smile. Because he was well known and had that smile, IMO, he was picked to help market those grills. Of course, you could see the fat rolling off the grill into the little tray, so that naturally meant that it had to make eating a fat steak more healthy. Of course, college students like grills and so do many of us. Lots of us here own or have owned one of these, I'd bet. I rarely use mine now because it's such a damn pain to clean. There are newer George Foreman grills which are easier to clean. They feature grilling plates that detatch from the unit for cleaning. So, you can unclip them and wash these teflon coated corrugated aluminum plates very easily. PROGRESS In the 1940's, after WWII, my Dad bought my Mom an electric grill/waffle maker. The waffle plates were detachable from the electric grill for easy cleaning in the sink. These "NEW" EZ To Clean George Foreman Grills use technology and basic designs over 50 years old. All kinds of old things get rediscovered, don't they? :-) While still hot, I would take maybe 4 layers of paper towels saturated with soapy water and lay them into the just unplugged grill. The heat, water, soap and steam would make the grill almost EZ to wipe clean when it had cooled down. If you had a empty nice sink or a shallow dishpan, you could do final fast cleaning with a spray of soapy water over the grill surfaces while it was in the dishpan or sink. You would never get enough waste water buildup to short circuit any of the insides. Almost never did I have to use that teflon grooved scraper thing. I use it mostly in the summer when I don't want to heat up the kitchen with the overn or gas burner flame. Did you know there was also a George Foreman Chicken Roaster? Worked nicely, didn't heat the house, but was a bitch to clean because it didn't have removable heater plates - that 50+ year old technology. Jim |
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Jbuch wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote: ::: Opinicus wrote: ::::: "Utter Simpleton" wrote in message ::::: . .. :::::: Can you cook ::::: ::::: I've seen this referenced a lot. ::::: ::::: "George Foreman himself has made over $150 million from the sales ::::: of the grills" ::::: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Foreman_Grill ::::: ::::: What exactly was the relationship between this pugilist and a ::::: cooking device? ::: ::: After Foreman got beat down by Ali, he got really angry & went into ::: depression for many years. After that, he reemerged with a big ::: smile. His entired attitude changed. He became a ring-side expert ::: commentator at HBO boxing events. People noticed that smile. ::: Because he was well known and had that smile, IMO, he was picked ::: to help market those grills. Of course, you could see the fat ::: rolling off the grill into the little tray, so that naturally meant ::: that it had to make eating a fat steak more healthy. Of course, ::: college students like grills and so do many of us. Lots of us here ::: own or have owned one of these, I'd bet. I rarely use mine now ::: because it's such a damn pain to clean. ::: ::: :: :: :: There are newer George Foreman grills which are easier to clean. :: :: They feature grilling plates that detatch from the unit for cleaning. :: So, you can unclip them and wash these teflon coated corrugated :: aluminum plates very easily. Yeah, I've heard of these....I take it (from below) that you'd recommend this item? I do like how easy it is to cook with them....just set the timer and temp and let it go...kinda nice, and if clean up isn't bad...it could be useful for us meateaters. Of course, one can put veggies on there too. Have you tried cooking a LC waffle on it? Hmm..... :: :: PROGRESS :: :: In the 1940's, after WWII, my Dad bought my Mom an electric :: grill/waffle maker. :: :: The waffle plates were detachable from the electric grill for easy :: cleaning in the sink. :: :: :: :: These "NEW" EZ To Clean George Foreman Grills use technology and :: basic designs over 50 years old. :: :: All kinds of old things get rediscovered, don't they? :: :: :-) :: :: While still hot, I would take maybe 4 layers of paper towels :: saturated with soapy water and lay them into the just unplugged :: grill. The heat, water, soap and steam would make the grill almost :: EZ to wipe clean when it had cooled down. :: :: If you had a empty nice sink or a shallow dishpan, you could do final :: fast cleaning with a spray of soapy water over the grill surfaces :: while it was in the dishpan or sink. You would never get enough :: waste water buildup to short circuit any of the insides. :: :: Almost never did I have to use that teflon grooved scraper thing. :: :: I use it mostly in the summer when I don't want to heat up the :: kitchen with the overn or gas burner flame. :: :: Did you know there was also a George Foreman Chicken Roaster? Worked :: nicely, didn't heat the house, but was a bitch to clean because it :: didn't have removable heater plates - that 50+ year old technology. :: :: Jim |
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Roger Zoul wrote:
Jbuch wrote: :: Roger Zoul wrote: ::: Opinicus wrote: ::::: "Utter Simpleton" wrote in message ::::: . .. :::::: Can you cook ::::: ::::: I've seen this referenced a lot. ::::: ::::: "George Foreman himself has made over $150 million from the sales ::::: of the grills" ::::: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Foreman_Grill ::::: ::::: What exactly was the relationship between this pugilist and a ::::: cooking device? ::: ::: After Foreman got beat down by Ali, he got really angry & went into ::: depression for many years. After that, he reemerged with a big ::: smile. His entired attitude changed. He became a ring-side expert ::: commentator at HBO boxing events. People noticed that smile. ::: Because he was well known and had that smile, IMO, he was picked ::: to help market those grills. Of course, you could see the fat ::: rolling off the grill into the little tray, so that naturally meant ::: that it had to make eating a fat steak more healthy. Of course, ::: college students like grills and so do many of us. Lots of us here ::: own or have owned one of these, I'd bet. I rarely use mine now ::: because it's such a damn pain to clean. ::: ::: :: :: :: There are newer George Foreman grills which are easier to clean. :: :: They feature grilling plates that detatch from the unit for cleaning. :: So, you can unclip them and wash these teflon coated corrugated :: aluminum plates very easily. Yeah, I've heard of these....I take it (from below) that you'd recommend this item? I guess I mislead you. I only have the old George Foreman grill, not the new. My cleaning instructions below were for the Old Grill. It is pretty easy cleaning with the moistened - soaped paper towels used just after shutting off of the grill. And the spray soap and water. (and a plastic "scrubby") I do like how easy it is to cook with them....just set the timer and temp and let it go...kinda nice, and if clean up isn't bad...it could be useful for us meateaters. Of course, one can put veggies on there too. Have you tried cooking a LC waffle on it? Hmm..... I barely dare to cook LC pancakes. They go down so goood. And it is easy to cook and eat too many. :: :: PROGRESS :: :: In the 1940's, after WWII, my Dad bought my Mom an electric :: grill/waffle maker. :: :: The waffle plates were detachable from the electric grill for easy :: cleaning in the sink. :: :: :: :: These "NEW" EZ To Clean George Foreman Grills use technology and :: basic designs over 50 years old. :: :: All kinds of old things get rediscovered, don't they? :: :: :-) :: :: While still hot, I would take maybe 4 layers of paper towels :: saturated with soapy water and lay them into the just unplugged :: grill. The heat, water, soap and steam would make the grill almost :: EZ to wipe clean when it had cooled down. :: :: If you had a empty nice sink or a shallow dishpan, you could do final :: fast cleaning with a spray of soapy water over the grill surfaces :: while it was in the dishpan or sink. You would never get enough :: waste water buildup to short circuit any of the insides. :: :: Almost never did I have to use that teflon grooved scraper thing. :: :: I use it mostly in the summer when I don't want to heat up the :: kitchen with the overn or gas burner flame. :: :: Did you know there was also a George Foreman Chicken Roaster? Worked :: nicely, didn't heat the house, but was a bitch to clean because it :: didn't have removable heater plates - that 50+ year old technology. :: :: Jim |
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Jbuch wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote: ::: Jbuch wrote: ::::: Roger Zoul wrote: :::::: Opinicus wrote: :::::::: "Utter Simpleton" wrote in message :::::::: . .. ::::::::: Can you cook :::::::: :::::::: I've seen this referenced a lot. :::::::: :::::::: "George Foreman himself has made over $150 million from the :::::::: sales of the grills" :::::::: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Foreman_Grill :::::::: :::::::: What exactly was the relationship between this pugilist and a :::::::: cooking device? :::::: :::::: After Foreman got beat down by Ali, he got really angry & went :::::: into depression for many years. After that, he reemerged with a :::::: big smile. His entired attitude changed. He became a ring-side :::::: expert commentator at HBO boxing events. People noticed that :::::: smile. Because he was well known and had that smile, IMO, he :::::: was picked to help market those grills. Of course, you could :::::: see the fat rolling off the grill into the little tray, so that :::::: naturally meant that it had to make eating a fat steak more :::::: healthy. Of course, college students like grills and so do many :::::: of us. Lots of us here own or have owned one of these, I'd bet. :::::: I rarely use mine now because it's such a damn pain to clean. :::::: :::::: ::::: ::::: ::::: There are newer George Foreman grills which are easier to clean. ::::: ::::: They feature grilling plates that detatch from the unit for ::::: cleaning. So, you can unclip them and wash these teflon coated ::::: corrugated aluminum plates very easily. ::: ::: Yeah, I've heard of these....I take it (from below) that you'd ::: recommend this item? :: :: :: I guess I mislead you. I only have the old George Foreman grill, not :: the new. My cleaning instructions below were for the Old Grill. It is :: pretty easy cleaning with the moistened - soaped paper towels used :: just after shutting off of the grill. And the spray soap and water. :: (and a plastic "scrubby") :: I guess I should have caught on when you mentioned the scapper thing...I can't even find mine. I too start cleaning mine while it's still hot...but I just use a soaked sponge to transfer hot soapy water from the sink to the grill surface....using the trays to catch the spill. That works well enough but I think it would still be much easier to just lift the grill off into soapy water and scrub. I don't make LC pancakes either....less than once a year, though I do have some mix in my house that I got somewhere. They might make a treat with some of that calorie-free syrup (which I don't use much either!) that sitting in my frig taking up space. Speaking of that stuff, the only "calorie free" Walden Farms products I consistently use are the ranch dressing and the dips. The dips work for me with berries and in my protein/sour cream dessert. Those jams I just don't use....I still have almost full jars in the frig now. I like to put lots of dressing on salads along with really spicy mustard. I do remember once seeing the Chicken roaster thingie by GF. However, I don't need another GF thingie in my house. Only one at a time! :: :: :: ::: ::: I do like how easy it is to cook with them....just set the timer ::: and temp and let it go...kinda nice, and if clean up isn't bad...it ::: could be useful for us meateaters. Of course, one can put veggies ::: on there too. ::: ::: Have you tried cooking a LC waffle on it? Hmm..... :: :: I barely dare to cook LC pancakes. They go down so goood. And it is :: easy to cook and eat too many. :: ::: ::::: ::::: PROGRESS ::::: ::::: In the 1940's, after WWII, my Dad bought my Mom an electric ::::: grill/waffle maker. ::::: ::::: The waffle plates were detachable from the electric grill for easy ::::: cleaning in the sink. ::::: ::::: ::::: ::::: These "NEW" EZ To Clean George Foreman Grills use technology and ::::: basic designs over 50 years old. ::::: ::::: All kinds of old things get rediscovered, don't they? ::::: ::::: :-) ::::: ::::: While still hot, I would take maybe 4 layers of paper towels ::::: saturated with soapy water and lay them into the just unplugged ::::: grill. The heat, water, soap and steam would make the grill almost ::::: EZ to wipe clean when it had cooled down. ::::: ::::: If you had a empty nice sink or a shallow dishpan, you could do ::::: final fast cleaning with a spray of soapy water over the grill ::::: surfaces while it was in the dishpan or sink. You would never ::::: get enough waste water buildup to short circuit any of the ::::: insides. ::::: ::::: Almost never did I have to use that teflon grooved scraper thing. ::::: ::::: I use it mostly in the summer when I don't want to heat up the ::::: kitchen with the overn or gas burner flame. ::::: ::::: Did you know there was also a George Foreman Chicken Roaster? ::::: Worked nicely, didn't heat the house, but was a bitch to clean ::::: because it didn't have removable heater plates - that 50+ year ::::: old technology. ::::: ::::: Jim |
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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:59:23 -0500, Alan wrote:
On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:46:49 +0200, "Opinicus" wrote: "Utter Simpleton" wrote in message . .. Can you cook I've seen this referenced a lot. "George Foreman himself has made over $150 million from the sales of the grills" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Foreman_Grill What exactly was the relationship between this pugilist and a cooking device? Somehow, I bet Salton, or whoever manufactures those grills has made over $150million, but I bet Mr. Foreman's contract stipulates a small percent for the use of his name. People ALWAYS over estimate how much public figures make. Alan In this case, you're wrong: "Lucrative, too. Foreman won't say how much he has made as a product endorser, but he doesn't dispute a published estimate that his lifetime earnings are about $240 million -- three times what he earned in the ring. In 1999, Salton bought the rights to use his name and selling skills in perpetuity for $127.5 million in cash and $10 million in stock. It stands as one of the biggest endorsement deals for any athlete." http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...1/b3913093.htm -- Bob in CT |
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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 09:12:03 -0600, Jbuch wrote:
There are newer George Foreman grills which are easier to clean. I have a little Hamilton Beach grill that I got for Xmas from DH. We use it about three times a week. Great for chicken breasts, salmon filets, and hamburgers. I think DH has done sausages in it, as well. It is *SO* much faster and cleaner than frying stuff on the stove. No grease splatters all over the stove. Jo Anne |
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"Roger Zoul" writes:
I guess I should have caught on when you mentioned the scapper thing...I can't even find mine. I too start cleaning mine while it's still hot...but I just use a soaked sponge to transfer hot soapy water from the sink to the grill surface....using the trays to catch the spill. That works well enough but I think it would still be much easier to just lift the grill off into soapy water and scrub. If mine cools off while I'm eating, I plug it in for a couple minutes, then pull it over and drop the front feet into the (empty) sink, letting it sort of hang on the edge of the sink with the back feet while I hold the lid up with one hand and take a soaked sponge to it with the other. It's not as complicated as it sounds, but removable plates would certainly be nice. The thrift store across the street always has a couple of the older models, but if they ever get the removable kind, they don't stay around long. -- Aaron -- 285/235/200 -- http://aaron.baugher.biz/ "If you hear hoofbeats, you just go ahead and think horsies, not zebras." |
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What I think is that this design was planned...For example: the first year
the Foreman grills came out, there was no way to alter the temperature settings and the grids were fixed. The next year, the temperature control was introduced. Then, the removable grids were introduced. I think this was planned from the get-go----a sort of "arc" of the lifetime of the grill, just as TV shows have a development arc of their stories. Count me as a skeptic... Pat in TX |
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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:45:54 -0500, Alan wrote:
On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:54:15 -0500, "Bob in CT" wrote: On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:59:23 -0500, Alan wrote: On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:46:49 +0200, "Opinicus" wrote: "Utter Simpleton" wrote in message . .. Can you cook I've seen this referenced a lot. "George Foreman himself has made over $150 million from the sales of the grills" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Foreman_Grill What exactly was the relationship between this pugilist and a cooking device? Somehow, I bet Salton, or whoever manufactures those grills has made over $150million, but I bet Mr. Foreman's contract stipulates a small percent for the use of his name. People ALWAYS over estimate how much public figures make. Alan In this case, you're wrong: "Lucrative, too. Foreman won't say how much he has made as a product endorser, but he doesn't dispute a published estimate that his lifetime earnings are about $240 million -- three times what he earned in the ring. In 1999, Salton bought the rights to use his name and selling skills in perpetuity for $127.5 million in cash and $10 million in stock. It stands as one of the biggest endorsement deals for any athlete." http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...1/b3913093.htm Well. I'll be........................... I'm in shock, too. It's way more money than I thought he'd make. -- Bob in CT |
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Bob in CT wrote:
:: On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:45:54 -0500, Alan wrote: :: ::: On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:54:15 -0500, "Bob in CT" ::: wrote: ::: :::: On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:59:23 -0500, Alan wrote: :::: ::::: On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:46:49 +0200, "Opinicus" ::::: wrote: ::::: :::::: "Utter Simpleton" wrote in message :::::: . .. ::::::: Can you cook :::::: :::::: I've seen this referenced a lot. :::::: :::::: "George Foreman himself has made over $150 million from the :::::: sales of the :::::: grills" :::::: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Foreman_Grill :::::: :::::: What exactly was the relationship between this pugilist and a :::::: cooking device? ::::: ::::: Somehow, I bet Salton, or whoever manufactures those grills ::::: has made over $150million, but I bet Mr. Foreman's contract ::::: stipulates a small percent for the use of his name. ::::: ::::: People ALWAYS over estimate how much public figures make. ::::: ::::: Alan ::::: :::: :::: In this case, you're wrong: :::: :::: "Lucrative, too. Foreman won't say how much he has made as a :::: product endorser, but he doesn't dispute a published estimate that :::: his lifetime earnings are about $240 million -- three times what :::: he earned in the ring. :::: In 1999, Salton bought the rights to use his name and selling :::: skills in perpetuity for $127.5 million in cash and $10 million in :::: stock. It stands :::: as one of the biggest endorsement deals for any athlete." :::: :::: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...1/b3913093.htm ::: ::: Well. I'll be........................... ::: ::: :: :: I'm in shock, too. It's way more money than I thought he'd make. Certainly given that he went into a years long funk after Ali beat him down. I'd say he recovered well! I'm happy for the big guy, but I hope he stays out of the ring. He was a terror in his prime. The only way Ali could beat him was to outsmart him. |
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Pat wrote:
:: What I think is that this design was planned...For example: the :: first year the Foreman grills came out, there was no way to alter :: the temperature settings and the grids were fixed. The next year, :: the temperature control was introduced. Then, the removable grids :: were introduced. I think this was planned from the get-go----a sort :: of "arc" of the lifetime of the grill, just as TV shows have a :: development arc of their stories. :: :: Count me as a skeptic... Why be a skeptic on a perfectly sound business model? What you're saying doesn't sound far-fetched to me. They are into it to make money and we only have to buy if we want to. Of course, they probably didn't think that far ahead....they just realized they had something and looked for ways to improve it to make even more $$$! :) |
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Why be a skeptic on a perfectly sound business model? What you're saying doesn't sound far-fetched to me. They are into it to make money and we only have to buy if we want to. Of course, they probably didn't think that far ahead....they just realized they had something and looked for ways to improve it to make even more $$$! :) So, you do think it was part of the business model to bring out "adjustments" every year? After all, a variable thermostat switch was not something unusual back when the first Foreman Grill was introduced... Pat in TX |
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"Roger Zoul" wrote:
Pat wrote: :: What I think is that this design was planned...For example: the :: first year the Foreman grills came out, there was no way to alter :: the temperature settings and the grids were fixed. The next year, :: the temperature control was introduced. Then, the removable grids :: were introduced. I think this was planned from the get-go----a sort :: of "arc" of the lifetime of the grill, just as TV shows have a :: development arc of their stories. :: Count me as a skeptic... Why be a skeptic on a perfectly sound business model? What you're saying doesn't sound far-fetched to me. They are into it to make money and we only have to buy if we want to. Of course, they probably didn't think that far ahead....they just realized they had something and looked for ways to improve it to make even more $$$! :) My take is that simpler products usually sell better than complex products, so at first they trimmed it down to a tiny set of features. Since it sold well that way they started adding features and variety. I don't think the arch was planned in advance because they couldn't have known the first model was going to sell well. But once it did sell well the arch of adding features became obvious. About the only one that surprised me was the grill on a pedestal that tries to replace the charcoal/propane grill. |
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Pat wrote:
::: Why be a skeptic on a perfectly sound business model? What you're ::: saying doesn't sound far-fetched to me. They are into it to make ::: money and we only have to buy if we want to. Of course, they ::: probably didn't think that far ahead....they just realized they had ::: something and looked for ways to improve it to make even more $$$! ::: :) :: :: So, you do think it was part of the business model to bring out :: "adjustments" every year? After all, a variable thermostat switch :: was not something unusual back when the first Foreman Grill was :: introduced... It could be....time to market might have prevented that addition on the first models....capturing the minds eye of the public is very important....get big GF (with the winning smile) out there generating interest...they make an initial investment, see how that goes, if well, more money goes into for a newer/better models. Of course, they could have put all the good stuff in the first model (or come out with 3 models at once) (but that takes more investment dollars), which would mean that neither you nor I would have to consider dumping our current one to get one with better stuff. So we might feel putout (I know I do). But unless we were there, we can't know what factors really influenced it. From a business POV, several factors play in. |
... a George Foreman grill?
Doug Freyburger wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" wrote: ::: Pat wrote: ::: ::::: What I think is that this design was planned...For example: the ::::: first year the Foreman grills came out, there was no way to alter ::::: the temperature settings and the grids were fixed. The next year, ::::: the temperature control was introduced. Then, the removable grids ::::: were introduced. I think this was planned from the get-go----a ::::: sort of "arc" of the lifetime of the grill, just as TV shows have ::::: a development arc of their stories. ::: ::::: Count me as a skeptic... ::: ::: Why be a skeptic on a perfectly sound business model? What you're ::: saying doesn't sound far-fetched to me. They are into it to make ::: money and we only have to buy if we want to. Of course, they ::: probably didn't think that far ahead....they just realized they had ::: something and looked for ways to improve it to make even more $$$! ::: :) :: :: My take is that simpler products usually sell better than complex :: products, "Lower cost models sell better than high cost models" would be another way to say that. Certainly, the initial outlay of funds supports doing so. :: so at first they trimmed it down to a tiny set of features. Since it :: sold :: well that way they started adding features and variety. I don't :: think the :: arch was planned in advance because they couldn't have known the :: first model was going to sell well. It very well could have been planned using the logic you wrote. But once it did sell well the :: arch of adding :: features became obvious. Which meant it was obvious even before. Frankly, I don't see an evil intent here. A lot of people didn't buy he first models. So there were plenty of new customers to sell to. :: :: About the only one that surprised me was the grill on a pedestal that :: tries :: to replace the charcoal/propane grill. Hey, sometimes you never can tell for sure what will be a hit and what won't. |
... a George Foreman grill?
There was no big conspiracy. It was a no-brainer product for no-brainers like me. I think they probably were trying to make an
appliance a seven year old latchkey kid could make dinner in (though they couldn't market it that way, of course.) It was also probably imagined as a way a student could cook, sans water or utensils, on the desk in his dorm room. It was the entire product category when it started. The other grills didn't compete - they were too complex. Their removable plates were a PROBLEM the Foreman grill was trying to solve. They added complexity, cost, and were originally seen as harder to clean. (The GF was sold in infomercials as something that a paper towel could clean. Not completely true, but before you owned it, you didn't know that.) But then: - the product was a runaway success - competitors were attracted, who differentiated by featurizing - Salton was forced to add complexity, or get left behind. No one imagined there would be so many spinoff products at the beginning, just as they never imagined the grill would be so successful. That's the REAL reason they gave Foreman such a rich deal -- he got a percentage early on because they didn't want to give him the cash. Foreman had a name, but he was in trouble. He was looking to stay off the streets. (The recent payout was just a modification of the original deal.) "Roger Zoul" wrote in message ... Doug Freyburger wrote: :: "Roger Zoul" wrote: ::: Pat wrote: ::: ::::: What I think is that this design was planned...For example: the ::::: first year the Foreman grills came out, there was no way to alter ::::: the temperature settings and the grids were fixed. The next year, ::::: the temperature control was introduced. Then, the removable grids ::::: were introduced. I think this was planned from the get-go----a ::::: sort of "arc" of the lifetime of the grill, just as TV shows have ::::: a development arc of their stories. ::: ::::: Count me as a skeptic... ::: ::: Why be a skeptic on a perfectly sound business model? What you're ::: saying doesn't sound far-fetched to me. They are into it to make ::: money and we only have to buy if we want to. Of course, they ::: probably didn't think that far ahead....they just realized they had ::: something and looked for ways to improve it to make even more $$$! ::: :) :: :: My take is that simpler products usually sell better than complex :: products, "Lower cost models sell better than high cost models" would be another way to say that. Certainly, the initial outlay of funds supports doing so. :: so at first they trimmed it down to a tiny set of features. Since it :: sold :: well that way they started adding features and variety. I don't :: think the :: arch was planned in advance because they couldn't have known the :: first model was going to sell well. It very well could have been planned using the logic you wrote. But once it did sell well the :: arch of adding :: features became obvious. Which meant it was obvious even before. Frankly, I don't see an evil intent here. A lot of people didn't buy he first models. So there were plenty of new customers to sell to. :: :: About the only one that surprised me was the grill on a pedestal that :: tries :: to replace the charcoal/propane grill. Hey, sometimes you never can tell for sure what will be a hit and what won't. |
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Utter Simpleton wrote:
:: There was no big conspiracy. Conspiracy? Who uses such a word in marketing? :) It was a no-brainer product for :: no-brainers like me. I think they probably were trying to make an :: appliance a seven year old latchkey kid could make dinner in (though :: they couldn't market it that way, of course.) It was also probably :: imagined as a way a student could cook, sans water or utensils, on :: the desk in his dorm room. :: :: It was the entire product category when it started. The other :: grills didn't compete - they were too complex. Their removable :: plates were a PROBLEM the Foreman grill was trying to solve. They :: added complexity, cost, and were originally seen as harder to clean. :: (The GF was sold in infomercials as something that a paper towel :: could clean. Not completely true, but before you owned it, you :: didn't know that.) :: :: But then: :: - the product was a runaway success :: - competitors were attracted, who differentiated by featurizing :: - Salton was forced to add complexity, or get left behind. :: :: No one imagined there would be so many spinoff products at the :: beginning, just as they never imagined the grill would be so :: successful. That's the REAL reason they gave Foreman such a rich :: deal -- he got a percentage early on because they didn't want to :: give him the cash. Foreman had a name, but he was in trouble. He :: was looking to stay off the streets. (The recent payout was just a :: modification of the original deal.) :: :: :: :: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message :: ... ::: Doug Freyburger wrote: ::::: "Roger Zoul" wrote: :::::: Pat wrote: :::::: :::::::: What I think is that this design was planned...For example: the :::::::: first year the Foreman grills came out, there was no way to :::::::: alter the temperature settings and the grids were fixed. The :::::::: next year, the temperature control was introduced. Then, the :::::::: removable grids were introduced. I think this was planned :::::::: from the get-go----a sort of "arc" of the lifetime of the :::::::: grill, just as TV shows have a development arc of their :::::::: stories. :::::: :::::::: Count me as a skeptic... :::::: :::::: Why be a skeptic on a perfectly sound business model? What :::::: you're saying doesn't sound far-fetched to me. They are into it :::::: to make money and we only have to buy if we want to. Of course, :::::: they probably didn't think that far ahead....they just realized :::::: they had something and looked for ways to improve it to make :::::: even more $$$! :) ::::: ::::: My take is that simpler products usually sell better than complex ::::: products, ::: ::: "Lower cost models sell better than high cost models" would be ::: another way to say that. Certainly, the initial outlay of funds ::: supports doing so. ::: ::::: so at first they trimmed it down to a tiny set of features. ::::: Since it sold ::::: well that way they started adding features and variety. I don't ::::: think the ::::: arch was planned in advance because they couldn't have known the ::::: first model was going to sell well. ::: ::: It very well could have been planned using the logic you wrote. ::: ::: But once it did sell well the ::::: arch of adding ::::: features became obvious. ::: ::: Which meant it was obvious even before. Frankly, I don't see an ::: evil intent here. A lot of people didn't buy he first models. So ::: there were plenty of new customers to sell to. ::: ::::: ::::: About the only one that surprised me was the grill on a pedestal ::::: that tries ::::: to replace the charcoal/propane grill. ::: ::: Hey, sometimes you never can tell for sure what will be a hit and ::: what won't. |
Can you cook BONE-IN chicken thighs in a George Foreman grill?
Hollywood wrote:
:: On Jan 31, 3:08 pm, "Utter Simpleton" wrote: ::: Can you cook BONE-IN chicken thighs in a George Foreman grill? If ::: so, any tips? :: :: Uhm, Thighs are VERY EASY to bone (way easier than breasts). If you :: don't trust the foreman to do it (I would worry about :: time/temperature reactions in the elastin and other connective :: tissue, considering that most Foremans are underpowered for thick :: stuff you want to do through). :: :: I suppose you could do it, but considering the ease of boning, why :: not? Utter Simpleton |
... a George Foreman grill?
"Utter Simpleton" writes:
It was the entire product category when it started. The other grills didn't compete - they were too complex. Their removable plates were a PROBLEM the Foreman grill was trying to solve. I've seen a couple different pre-Foreman grills, and they suck AND blow. Heavy things that look awkward as heck to use, and would obviously be a huge pain to clean. They didn't have the slope of the Foreman grill, so you had to clean all the squeezin's out of somewhere in the machine. (The way everything runs off in the Foreman grill can make things too dry/lean if you overcook them *at all*, but it sure makes it cleaner.) I bought a big waffle maker (4 waffles at once) for $5 because it had removable, reversible plates (waffle surface on one side, flat with a trough around the edge on the other side). I figured I'd be able to make burgers on it, and the fat wouldn't run off as much as with the Foreman, and I'd be able to remove the plates for washing. That was true, but what I didn't foresee was how much splattering the Foreman prevents by having the sides curl around the food somewhat. The waffle maker cooked burgers, but it threw grease everywhere, and the whole thing -- and the counter and wall behind it -- needed cleaning afterwards. George is a big goof, but good for him. -- Aaron -- 285/235/200 -- http://aaron.baugher.biz/ "If you hear hoofbeats, you just go ahead and think horsies, not zebras." |
... a George Foreman grill?
"Aaron Baugher" wrote in message ... "Utter Simpleton" writes: It was the entire product category when it started. The other grills didn't compete - they were too complex. Their removable plates were a PROBLEM the Foreman grill was trying to solve. I've seen a couple different pre-Foreman grills, and they suck AND blow. Heavy things that look awkward as heck to use, and would obviously be a huge pain to clean. They didn't have the slope of the Foreman grill, so you had to clean all the squeezin's out of somewhere in the machine. (The way everything runs off in the Foreman grill can make things too dry/lean if you overcook them *at all*, but it sure makes it cleaner.) I bought a big waffle maker (4 waffles at once) for $5 because it had removable, reversible plates (waffle surface on one side, flat with a trough around the edge on the other side). I figured I'd be able to make burgers on it, and the fat wouldn't run off as much as with the Foreman, and I'd be able to remove the plates for washing. That was true, but what I didn't foresee was how much splattering the Foreman prevents by having the sides curl around the food somewhat. The waffle maker cooked burgers, but it threw grease everywhere, and the whole thing -- and the counter and wall behind it -- needed cleaning afterwards. George is a big goof, but good for him. Actually, he's a very serious, determined guy who still has a lot of anger. The affable clown is his game face. |
... a George Foreman grill?
Utter Simpleton wrote:
:: "Aaron Baugher" wrote in message :: ... ::: "Utter Simpleton" writes: ::: :::: It was the entire product category when it started. The other :::: grills didn't compete - they were too complex. Their removable :::: plates were a PROBLEM the Foreman grill was trying to solve. ::: ::: I've seen a couple different pre-Foreman grills, and they suck AND ::: blow. Heavy things that look awkward as heck to use, and would ::: obviously be a huge pain to clean. They didn't have the slope of ::: the Foreman grill, so you had to clean all the squeezin's out of ::: somewhere in the machine. (The way everything runs off in the ::: Foreman grill can make things too dry/lean if you overcook them *at ::: all*, but it sure makes it cleaner.) ::: ::: I bought a big waffle maker (4 waffles at once) for $5 because it ::: had removable, reversible plates (waffle surface on one side, flat ::: with a trough around the edge on the other side). I figured I'd be ::: able to make burgers on it, and the fat wouldn't run off as much as ::: with the Foreman, and I'd be able to remove the plates for washing. ::: That was true, but what I didn't foresee was how much splattering ::: the Foreman prevents by having the sides curl around the food ::: somewhat. The waffle maker cooked burgers, but it threw grease ::: everywhere, and the whole thing -- and the counter and wall behind ::: it -- needed cleaning afterwards. ::: ::: George is a big goof, but good for him. :: :: :: Actually, he's a very serious, determined guy who still has a lot of :: anger. The affable clown is his game face. Basis? |
... a George Foreman grill?
George is a big goof, but good for him. Actually, he's a very serious, determined guy who still has a lot of anger. The affable clown is his game face. And you would know this, how, exactly? |
... a George Foreman grill?
"Roger Zoul" wrote in message ... wrote: :: On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:46:49 +0200, "Opinicus" :: wrote: :: ::: "George Foreman himself has made over $150 million from the sales ::: of the grills" :: :: Yeah, but George Bush made even more. :: :: How about getting a George Bush grill instead ? Did you know that George Foreman has several sons whose names are George? All of his sons are named George, not a bad way of avoiding confusion. .....And unlike most former boxers, George seems to have survived mostly-unaddled and (at least on the occasion I ran into him in a Southeast Texas Wal-Mart) both smiling and gracious, well mannered in a fashion we used to call "a credit to his raising". TMO |
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... a George Foreman grill?
Anyone named George is an a#$%^e !!! Are you incapable of posting an opinion without resorting to cursing? Pat in TX |
... a George Foreman grill?
Roger Zoul wrote:
Bob in CT wrote: :: On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:45:54 -0500, Alan wrote: :: ::: On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:54:15 -0500, "Bob in CT" ::: wrote: ::: :::: On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:59:23 -0500, Alan wrote: :::: ::::: On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:46:49 +0200, "Opinicus" ::::: wrote: ::::: :::::: "Utter Simpleton" wrote in message :::::: . .. ::::::: Can you cook :::::: :::::: I've seen this referenced a lot. :::::: :::::: "George Foreman himself has made over $150 million from the :::::: sales of the :::::: grills" :::::: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Foreman_Grill :::::: :::::: What exactly was the relationship between this pugilist and a :::::: cooking device? ::::: ::::: Somehow, I bet Salton, or whoever manufactures those grills ::::: has made over $150million, but I bet Mr. Foreman's contract ::::: stipulates a small percent for the use of his name. ::::: ::::: People ALWAYS over estimate how much public figures make. ::::: ::::: Alan ::::: :::: :::: In this case, you're wrong: :::: :::: "Lucrative, too. Foreman won't say how much he has made as a :::: product endorser, but he doesn't dispute a published estimate that :::: his lifetime earnings are about $240 million -- three times what :::: he earned in the ring. :::: In 1999, Salton bought the rights to use his name and selling :::: skills in perpetuity for $127.5 million in cash and $10 million in :::: stock. It stands :::: as one of the biggest endorsement deals for any athlete." :::: :::: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...1/b3913093.htm ::: ::: Well. I'll be........................... ::: ::: :: :: I'm in shock, too. It's way more money than I thought he'd make. Certainly given that he went into a years long funk after Ali beat him down. I'd say he recovered well! I'm happy for the big guy, but I hope he stays out of the ring. He was a terror in his prime. The only way Ali could beat him was to outsmart him. I like George Foreman. I have a closetfull of his clothes. |
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Jake writes:
I like George Foreman. I have a closetfull of his clothes. That's not very nice; you should really give them back. :-) -- Aaron -- 285/235/200 -- http://aaron.baugher.biz/ "If you hear hoofbeats, you just go ahead and think horsies, not zebras." |
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