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KimStar
February 2nd, 2006, 06:58 PM
First time poster here. I joined the program toward the end of the year and
I joined a health and fitness center (aka gym) close to my home just before
Christmas. It was sort of a Christmas present to myself. About 7 years ago,
I was working out regularly and doing a good job eating sensibly; I had
successfully taken off some extra weight I put on over the course of 2
pregnancies, then being at home with really young kids and getting into bad
habits...you know, allowing myself to believe that running around after the
kids and taking them here and there is enough exercise and eating whatever
was quick and that the kids would like, which often wasn't calorie-conscious
stuff was somehow justified.

So I got into a diet and excercise program and took off over 30 lb. and was
looking and feeling much better. Then I had a really bad accident and
suffered a serious injury to my back. I was laid up in bed for weeks, and
then was in rehab for months after. I was in chronic pain w/ my back for
almost 2 years. My routine went straight to heck and I lay around and sat
around like a slug feeling sorry for myself and feeding my face w/ "comfort
food." Even when I recovered sufficiently to get back to a normal exercise
routine--and of course I could've been eating right all along--I couldn't
get myself motivated to do what needed to be done. I gained back all the
weight I had taken off previously and kept going. About 2 years ago, I was
going through more stress and...well, it's terrible and shameful to say, but
I put on almost another 60 lb. There. I said it.

A little over a year ago, my husband, who also had a big weight problem,
joined weight watchers because there was a meeting in his office building,
so it was super convenient and he's done fabulously! He's very close to
getting his 100# magnet and it's been really great for him, getting to buy
new clothes and shopping at ordinary stores instead of the "Big Man, Tall
Man" shops. He looks terrific and also started working out last spring. He
started out running on his lunch hour, and also climbing stairs in his
office building. When it got snowy and icy here, he joined a fitness center
in his office building which is free to staff in his workplace--it's an
employee benefit. He's now almost my weight and I can't have that! So you
might say he's been my inspiration and I decided to get with the program.

I started the diet and the fitness program around the same time. My first
week was good...I dropped a few lb. right away. But since then, I actually
put back a couple lb., 1/2 lb.at a time and then it's just stayed there w/o
budging. Not gaining, but not losing either. And I've been trying to get to
the gym every day, putting in at least 30 min. on the cardio-vascular
equipment. I started out terrible...I could barely go more than 1-2 min. on
the eliptical or the treadmill. Slowly, though, I built momentum and got my
stamina up...now I can last 10-12 min. on the eliptical (on low setting) and
I can do a fast-paced, 1-mile walk on the treadmill. But even that success
is overshadowed by a discouraging development. I've had to slow my pace down
on both because I'm noticing that I can't go very long w/ my heart-rate as
high as it was. I was getting tired w/ my heart-rate at 140 (recommended by
WW for "rigorous exercise" credit for my age and weight), but I could finish
my time set. Now I'm finding I'm getting too winded when I get my heart rate
much above 130 for more than a couple of mins. Yesterday, I was having
trouble handling it once my HR went over 125. What's going on?

My husband says my metabolism may be adjusting to the exercise and so I have
to work harder to get my HR up where it was when I started out. He also
suggested this may be why I'm not showing a loss on the scale even though my
clothes are getting slightly loose on me, especially around my middle. My
husband says my stomach is definitely smaller than it was. I'm one of those
gainers who gets the most around the middle---you know the one w/ the
highest cardiac risk profile? He said maybe the fat is converting mostly to
muscle, which is denser and weighs more. So he says maybe I'm losing inches
but not lb. yet, but he says don't worry...eventually the weight will drop
too.

This sounds to me like someone giving an explanation for something that is
the only way to put a positive spin on the reality that this diet is not
working. : ( I just don't get it. When I was exercising and dieting
before, I had losses every week.

The other problem is, it seems a lot harder this time. I don't know why. I'm
hungry all the time. I don't remember being this hungry as much when I've
dieted in the past. Now, I eat an "approved" meal and the hunger goes away
for an hour maybe...if I'm lucky. Sort of like the old joke about Chinese
food. The allowed snacks barely take the edge off my hunger. And the really
bad thing is, quite often, I use up all the points I should allow myself
before the day is over. Then I'm so hungry in the evening, I can barely
think of anything else and yet I really shouldn't have anything else before
bedtime. I brought this up at the meeting last time and the group leader
said if I follow the system properly, I shouldn't be hungry. She said she's
had all these people tell her they can't eat all the food they're "supposed
to" because it's just "too much food" and she tells them they have to eat
the amount prescribed if the program is going to work. I got so angry when
she said this. I don't know how anyone can think it's "too much food"...I
think she's full of it. No one I've talked to in the group says they feel
the recommended points and servings are more than they can handle.

I'm so tired of being hungry all the time. I'm tired of not knowing what to
do when the fruit or vegetable snack, or the 2 tablespoons of cottage cheese
or the half cup of nonfat yogurt doesn't cut it anymore. I'm tired of
thinking about food all the time and thinking about all the food I can't
have. Amd I'm tired of the stupid things people say to you trying to be
helpful. I was out with someone last week who encouraged me to "cheat" on my
diet. She actually said if I wanted to cheat, she "wouldn't tell anyone."
Yeah, really helpful. I'm viisting a couple of friends the weekend after my
birthday, which is a week from now, and my one friend was saying she was
going to bake a cake for me and wanted to know what kind of cake I want. I
kept telling her not to make any cake because I can't have cake at all, and
she says "Oh come on...you have to have cake on your birthday!" I told her
I'd bring out a couple of those WW snack cakes that are about as big as my
thumb and she could give me a birthday candle to put in it and they could
sing happy birthday to me and that would be it. She thought I was being too
festidious about sticking to the diet, but I explained to her I can't be
eating regular cake, birthday or no. The other thing is, my husband is
taking me out to a really nice restaurant for dinner on my birthday anyway
and that's going to be all the indulging I can allow myself for some time to
come. Finally, she said OK, I won't make a cake. So I'm making some headway,
but it's really hard w/ other people. I know they're trying to be nice, but
so much of what people say is either insensitive or just clueless.

On top of all this, there are so many things going on in my life right now
that are so stressful. My teenage son has a knee injury that requires
surgery, which is scheduled for Feb. 15. He'll have to be in a full leg cast
for 4 weeks after surgery, and the doctor says it will be necessary for him
to be in a wheelchair with his leg elevated. The office gave me the number
for this place that rents them and will supposedly bill our insurance. I
called Monday and since have been leaving voicemail messages for the
customer service person there all week. She didn't call me back until this
morning and that was only after I finally went over her head yesterday
afternoon and put in a complaint. I'm so furious that I have to complain to
a supervisor just to get a simple call back from someone which is part of
that person's ordinary job duties. Anyway, she tells me that the wheelchairs
are in stock but not the elevated leg rest and that it will take 4 wks to
get them in...and the surgery is in 2 weeks. So now I have to start over and
I'm putting in calls to other places to see if anyone has them. I'm so
annoyed that I wasted 4 days to find out they can't do anything for us.

In addition, I'm helping my sister take care of our octogenarian father who
is kind of frail and has early-stage Alzheimers. He lives alone in his own
apartment and we have a caregiver who comes in a few times a week to help
him around the house. He really should have a higher level of supervision,
but that's all he will agree to for the time being and neither of us want to
push the limits by forcing more on him than he wants at this point. I try to
get over to his place a couple of times a week to take him out to lunch or
to a movie or shopping, and I'm juggling that w/ working part-time and
trying to get in regular trips to the health club and get everything in
place for my son's surgery in 2 wks. My dad is not supposed to go out alone,
but a couple of weeks ago, he decided he *had* to have something from a
hardware store on a day when neither my sister or I were available and the
caregiver couldn't come in. So he took a medicab over to the store and
bought the piece of hardware (which turned out not to be the right piece)
and then couldn't get a cab back. He said he called twice but no cab showed
up and he couldn't see one on the street to flag, so he ended up calling
9-1-1. The police are a little upset with us for letting this happen. I feel
like I should be doing more for him, but I feel stretched out and pulled in
all different directions. This is on top of all the ordinary life BS, like
getting the house clean, shopping for healthy food, figuring out what to
make for dinner, going to parent-teacher conferences, playing chauffeur for
all stuff for the kids, paying bills, staying on budget and trying to get
the dryer repaired.

It just feels like too much, and it's all the worse when I'm trying to do
all this when I'm hungry and feeling food-deprived. I realize I've gone on
really long here and am just rambling now and that a lot of this doesn't
have anything to do w/ WW, and I apologize sincerely for being so
long-winded and whiney. I guess I really felt a need to get it all out and
ask for help. I hope none of you will begrudge me going off topic and
rambling so much. If I post again, I promise to keep it much shorter. I just
really needed to tell my story so people reading this can understand who I
am and where I'm at. If any of you have any words of wisdom to impart, I
would so appreciate it.

And in case any of you are wondering, I do see a personal counselor a couple
of times a month. I saw her yesterday and I was telling her how discouraged
I am with the exercise and weight loss plateau I seem to have hit. She was
the one who suggested I try to find a group online where I can share my
questions and concerns because she thinks I'm good at using the internet for
such things. So here I am.

Thanks in advance for any help,

Kim

Lesanne
February 2nd, 2006, 08:11 PM
Wow that was a long one :). I spend parts of most days hungry still and I am on maintenance, so there is that. On days that I don't want to feel hungry I am very careful to eat a high volume of low points foods. Like starting out with an omelet made with one egg and three egg whites plus a bunch of vegetables,(two points) and two pieces of reduced calorie bread (1 point) and a whole small grapefruit (1 point). I am not hungry after that.
You can do the same thing with pretty much any meal, lunch and dinner with a bowl of 0 point soup before the meal, a sandwich made with that bread, and some of the Oscar Mayer fat free bologna is 2 points and very tasty, a big salad...
That is what they mean when they say you don't "have to be hungry"
You also cannot eat for comfort, at least not "those" comfort foods that we all want, and lose weight too.
You have to make a choice... Eat convenient food, whatever and whenever you want
and stay fat.....OR do the other thing until you make it a new habit.
Frankly it is only hard some of the time for me now. And a lot of the time it is actually a joy. Like when I put on clothes that I wore last winter.
You may be stalled, but that passes if you don't quit.
--
Lesanne
365/162/164

"KimStar" > wrote in message et...
First time poster here. I joined the program toward the end of the year and

Mary in Rock Island IL
February 2nd, 2006, 08:11 PM
Welcome Kim!

It does sound as though you are pretty stressed just now. I hope you
are taking pride in your decision to get and stay healthy.

As to the difficulty in getting your heart rate up, have you seen your
doctor about this? There may be something medical going on. It may
also be that you are expecting too much of yourself too soon into your
new exercise plen.

As to what to eat so that you aren't hungry, has someone looked over
your tracker with you? Perhaps there are some other choices you could
make so as to better spread your points throughout the day. If you
want, you could post a day or two of food choices and get some
feedback here.



Mary

Tayra
February 2nd, 2006, 09:22 PM
KimStar wrote:

A lot of things! But don't worry, I'm just as long-winded. It happens.

I don't have time offhand to address several of your issues, but I do
want to throw out that you may be feeling tired and unable to exercise
because your caloric intake isn't high enough. That could also explain
lack of weight loss. I'd suggest going to your meeting leader, taking
your journals for the past couple of weeks, and sitting down and talking
about it. Make sure you really are counting all the points you're
supposed to (sometimes people mis-read and only allow themselves 23
points when they should be getting 33, etc), and if you are, see if the
leader has any ideas for higher-volume foods that might fill you up
better. Hopefully s/he'll suggest making sure you get all your fiber
(25-35g/day), because fiber's pretty filling.

And good job on beating your friends off when they tell you to cheat.
That's really destructive of them. You might try 'look, if you want me
to fail, then go ahead and encourage me to cheat, but *I* want to
succeed, and I'd hope you do too'. Guilt tends to work on people. And
if they continue to tell you to cheat.. well, then, apparently they're
not really on your side, and you can tell them to go to hell. Or whip
them, or whatever works for you. Whipping them might get you activity
points, tho.

There's something: you *are* adding points for exercise, right? I mean,
if you exercise enough to earn 10 points a day, every day, but then
never use them, that's the same as only eating 23 if you're allowed 33,
and that's *definitely* going to leave you hungry and exhausted. You
probably are, but I figured I'd mention it just in case.

Elsewise.. and I know this sounds patronizing, but.. try not to stress
too much. Really, stress runs your body down, and isn't healthy for
you: chronic stress affects your metabolism and depletes your immune
system, among other things. If you can't get the wheelchair arranged
straight away, then the boy will have to just sit with his leg up on
pillows for a couple weeks. If you can't get the dryer fixed.. tearing
your hair out about it won't fix it either. Sit down, take ten minutes,
and relax a little, then try and think up some things that might work.
It may or may not help you feel less hungry, but reducing stress is
nearly as good.

Let us know how it goes.

-Tay

Stormmee
February 4th, 2006, 08:00 AM
Dear Kim,

First welcome, and second, every single thing you posted IS relevant to your
weight loss efforts, stress, rate of losing and life in general affects it.

Now for some tips and things for you to think about:
- your husband is right about inches/losing, measure your waist and keep
track of that weekly this will give you an indication of the weight shifting
when the numbers don't change.
- look for NSVs to boost your spirits, this can be as straight forward as
staying on plan when faced with a friend's encouragement to cheat, or the
clothes getting baggy.
- you can have real cake if you count it, unless of course it is a trigger
food for you.
- more than one person here has dealt/is dealing with older parent issues so
we can tell you that you aren't alone.
- I have never heard of a leader being so insensitive, but I must admit that
when I first started I had difficulty eating all of my points, At my best I
had lost a hundred pounds, right now around 88 or so, we will see tomorrow.
- have you considered the core program? this might help you some, also if
you want you can post your food journals and perhaps we can help with
suggestions, and are you eating your activity points?

I hope some things I wrote helped you, we are here for discussions, rants
wines and recipes, we mostly love all of it because for most of us it allows
us to help someone like we have been helped, good luck and post often,

Lee
KimStar > wrote in message
et...
> First time poster here. I joined the program toward the end of the year
and
> I joined a health and fitness center (aka gym) close to my home just
before
> Christmas. It was sort of a Christmas present to myself. About 7 years
ago,
> I was working out regularly and doing a good job eating sensibly; I had
> successfully taken off some extra weight I put on over the course of 2
> pregnancies, then being at home with really young kids and getting into
bad
> habits...you know, allowing myself to believe that running around after
the
> kids and taking them here and there is enough exercise and eating whatever
> was quick and that the kids would like, which often wasn't
calorie-conscious
> stuff was somehow justified.
>
> So I got into a diet and excercise program and took off over 30 lb. and
was
> looking and feeling much better. Then I had a really bad accident and
> suffered a serious injury to my back. I was laid up in bed for weeks, and
> then was in rehab for months after. I was in chronic pain w/ my back for
> almost 2 years. My routine went straight to heck and I lay around and sat
> around like a slug feeling sorry for myself and feeding my face w/
"comfort
> food." Even when I recovered sufficiently to get back to a normal exercise
> routine--and of course I could've been eating right all along--I couldn't
> get myself motivated to do what needed to be done. I gained back all the
> weight I had taken off previously and kept going. About 2 years ago, I
was
> going through more stress and...well, it's terrible and shameful to say,
but
> I put on almost another 60 lb. There. I said it.
>
> A little over a year ago, my husband, who also had a big weight problem,
> joined weight watchers because there was a meeting in his office building,
> so it was super convenient and he's done fabulously! He's very close to
> getting his 100# magnet and it's been really great for him, getting to buy
> new clothes and shopping at ordinary stores instead of the "Big Man, Tall
> Man" shops. He looks terrific and also started working out last spring. He
> started out running on his lunch hour, and also climbing stairs in his
> office building. When it got snowy and icy here, he joined a fitness
center
> in his office building which is free to staff in his workplace--it's an
> employee benefit. He's now almost my weight and I can't have that! So you
> might say he's been my inspiration and I decided to get with the program.
>
> I started the diet and the fitness program around the same time. My first
> week was good...I dropped a few lb. right away. But since then, I actually
> put back a couple lb., 1/2 lb.at a time and then it's just stayed there
w/o
> budging. Not gaining, but not losing either. And I've been trying to get
to
> the gym every day, putting in at least 30 min. on the cardio-vascular
> equipment. I started out terrible...I could barely go more than 1-2 min.
on
> the eliptical or the treadmill. Slowly, though, I built momentum and got
my
> stamina up...now I can last 10-12 min. on the eliptical (on low setting)
and
> I can do a fast-paced, 1-mile walk on the treadmill. But even that success
> is overshadowed by a discouraging development. I've had to slow my pace
down
> on both because I'm noticing that I can't go very long w/ my heart-rate as
> high as it was. I was getting tired w/ my heart-rate at 140 (recommended
by
> WW for "rigorous exercise" credit for my age and weight), but I could
finish
> my time set. Now I'm finding I'm getting too winded when I get my heart
rate
> much above 130 for more than a couple of mins. Yesterday, I was having
> trouble handling it once my HR went over 125. What's going on?
>
> My husband says my metabolism may be adjusting to the exercise and so I
have
> to work harder to get my HR up where it was when I started out. He also
> suggested this may be why I'm not showing a loss on the scale even though
my
> clothes are getting slightly loose on me, especially around my middle. My
> husband says my stomach is definitely smaller than it was. I'm one of
those
> gainers who gets the most around the middle---you know the one w/ the
> highest cardiac risk profile? He said maybe the fat is converting mostly
to
> muscle, which is denser and weighs more. So he says maybe I'm losing
inches
> but not lb. yet, but he says don't worry...eventually the weight will drop
> too.
>
> This sounds to me like someone giving an explanation for something that is
> the only way to put a positive spin on the reality that this diet is not
> working. : ( I just don't get it. When I was exercising and dieting
> before, I had losses every week.
>
> The other problem is, it seems a lot harder this time. I don't know why.
I'm
> hungry all the time. I don't remember being this hungry as much when I've
> dieted in the past. Now, I eat an "approved" meal and the hunger goes away
> for an hour maybe...if I'm lucky. Sort of like the old joke about Chinese
> food. The allowed snacks barely take the edge off my hunger. And the
really
> bad thing is, quite often, I use up all the points I should allow myself
> before the day is over. Then I'm so hungry in the evening, I can barely
> think of anything else and yet I really shouldn't have anything else
before
> bedtime. I brought this up at the meeting last time and the group leader
> said if I follow the system properly, I shouldn't be hungry. She said
she's
> had all these people tell her they can't eat all the food they're
"supposed
> to" because it's just "too much food" and she tells them they have to eat
> the amount prescribed if the program is going to work. I got so angry when
> she said this. I don't know how anyone can think it's "too much food"...I
> think she's full of it. No one I've talked to in the group says they feel
> the recommended points and servings are more than they can handle.
>
> I'm so tired of being hungry all the time. I'm tired of not knowing what
to
> do when the fruit or vegetable snack, or the 2 tablespoons of cottage
cheese
> or the half cup of nonfat yogurt doesn't cut it anymore. I'm tired of
> thinking about food all the time and thinking about all the food I can't
> have. Amd I'm tired of the stupid things people say to you trying to be
> helpful. I was out with someone last week who encouraged me to "cheat" on
my
> diet. She actually said if I wanted to cheat, she "wouldn't tell anyone."
> Yeah, really helpful. I'm viisting a couple of friends the weekend after
my
> birthday, which is a week from now, and my one friend was saying she was
> going to bake a cake for me and wanted to know what kind of cake I want. I
> kept telling her not to make any cake because I can't have cake at all,
and
> she says "Oh come on...you have to have cake on your birthday!" I told her
> I'd bring out a couple of those WW snack cakes that are about as big as my
> thumb and she could give me a birthday candle to put in it and they could
> sing happy birthday to me and that would be it. She thought I was being
too
> festidious about sticking to the diet, but I explained to her I can't be
> eating regular cake, birthday or no. The other thing is, my husband is
> taking me out to a really nice restaurant for dinner on my birthday anyway
> and that's going to be all the indulging I can allow myself for some time
to
> come. Finally, she said OK, I won't make a cake. So I'm making some
headway,
> but it's really hard w/ other people. I know they're trying to be nice,
but
> so much of what people say is either insensitive or just clueless.
>
> On top of all this, there are so many things going on in my life right now
> that are so stressful. My teenage son has a knee injury that requires
> surgery, which is scheduled for Feb. 15. He'll have to be in a full leg
cast
> for 4 weeks after surgery, and the doctor says it will be necessary for
him
> to be in a wheelchair with his leg elevated. The office gave me the number
> for this place that rents them and will supposedly bill our insurance. I
> called Monday and since have been leaving voicemail messages for the
> customer service person there all week. She didn't call me back until this
> morning and that was only after I finally went over her head yesterday
> afternoon and put in a complaint. I'm so furious that I have to complain
to
> a supervisor just to get a simple call back from someone which is part of
> that person's ordinary job duties. Anyway, she tells me that the
wheelchairs
> are in stock but not the elevated leg rest and that it will take 4 wks to
> get them in...and the surgery is in 2 weeks. So now I have to start over
and
> I'm putting in calls to other places to see if anyone has them. I'm so
> annoyed that I wasted 4 days to find out they can't do anything for us.
>
> In addition, I'm helping my sister take care of our octogenarian father
who
> is kind of frail and has early-stage Alzheimers. He lives alone in his own
> apartment and we have a caregiver who comes in a few times a week to help
> him around the house. He really should have a higher level of supervision,
> but that's all he will agree to for the time being and neither of us want
to
> push the limits by forcing more on him than he wants at this point. I try
to
> get over to his place a couple of times a week to take him out to lunch or
> to a movie or shopping, and I'm juggling that w/ working part-time and
> trying to get in regular trips to the health club and get everything in
> place for my son's surgery in 2 wks. My dad is not supposed to go out
alone,
> but a couple of weeks ago, he decided he *had* to have something from a
> hardware store on a day when neither my sister or I were available and the
> caregiver couldn't come in. So he took a medicab over to the store and
> bought the piece of hardware (which turned out not to be the right piece)
> and then couldn't get a cab back. He said he called twice but no cab
showed
> up and he couldn't see one on the street to flag, so he ended up calling
> 9-1-1. The police are a little upset with us for letting this happen. I
feel
> like I should be doing more for him, but I feel stretched out and pulled
in
> all different directions. This is on top of all the ordinary life BS, like
> getting the house clean, shopping for healthy food, figuring out what to
> make for dinner, going to parent-teacher conferences, playing chauffeur
for
> all stuff for the kids, paying bills, staying on budget and trying to get
> the dryer repaired.
>
> It just feels like too much, and it's all the worse when I'm trying to do
> all this when I'm hungry and feeling food-deprived. I realize I've gone on
> really long here and am just rambling now and that a lot of this doesn't
> have anything to do w/ WW, and I apologize sincerely for being so
> long-winded and whiney. I guess I really felt a need to get it all out and
> ask for help. I hope none of you will begrudge me going off topic and
> rambling so much. If I post again, I promise to keep it much shorter. I
just
> really needed to tell my story so people reading this can understand who I
> am and where I'm at. If any of you have any words of wisdom to impart, I
> would so appreciate it.
>
> And in case any of you are wondering, I do see a personal counselor a
couple
> of times a month. I saw her yesterday and I was telling her how
discouraged
> I am with the exercise and weight loss plateau I seem to have hit. She was
> the one who suggested I try to find a group online where I can share my
> questions and concerns because she thinks I'm good at using the internet
for
> such things. So here I am.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help,
>
> Kim
>
>

JulieB
February 5th, 2006, 12:50 AM
KimStar wrote:
> First time poster here. I joined the program toward the end of the year and
> I joined a health and fitness center (aka gym) close to my home just before
> Christmas.

Welcome to the group Kim.It certainly sounds like you've got a lot going
on in your life at the moment. I wish you every success with WW - I'm
sure you can do it. Please, stick around and let us know how you go.
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Amberle3's Challenges:

Totally Groovy exercise challenge:
http://www.angelfire.com/me4/travelgirl/tg.htm

Choose to Lose weight loss challenge:
http://www.angelfire.com/me4/travelgirl/ctl.htm

Weight Loss Challenge Summary:
http://www.angelfire.com/me4/travelgirl/summary.htm


Other acronyms:
http://www.wwlissa.com/dwlz100+/100+acronyms.htm

Here's a short synopsis of the USA Flexpoints program by Joyce -

How many points you can eat is only based on your current weight, as you
lose weight those points allowed will decrease (logic is that your body
will need less to operate). At 183 pounds and based on the new US
flexpoints system, you will have a set point target of 24. In addition
to this you are allowed 35 flexpoints to be used throughout the week ...
as well as any activity points you earn on a particular day. When your
weight drops to 175, your target drops to 22 points ... weight reaches
150, target once again drop to 20 points. 3 servings of dairy of
recommended per day, 5 servings of fruit and veggies, minimum of 6
glasses of water.

The basic plan is easy. Eat at least your minimum daily number of
points. Points do not carry over from day to day. You are allotted 35
weekly flexpoints to be used at your discretion ... can divide them up
and use daily (would be an additional 5 points per day) or save them and
use them for a special occassion during the week. Activity points are
earned based when exercising, but can ONLY be used on the day they are
earned.


Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 133.3
Lifetime: 4/4/03

And here's an explanation of Core/No-count by Laura -

It is a great plan. You DO however need to make sure that you are eating
at your normal Flex plan target number of points. This can be difficult
for some and you WILL stop losing.

Here is the summary of the plan: http://ahwww.home.comcast.net/summary.htm
Here is the detail list of foods:
http://ahwww.home.comcast.net/wwcoreplan.htm

Basic rules:
1. Eat as much of the core foods as you need to feel "satisfied" (not full).
2. If you want to eat foods that are not on the core foods list use you 35
weekly points allowance (WPA).
Note: use these points on healthy foods and not junk.
3. Activity points are used to supplement the 35 WPA for Non-core food items
only. They must be used on the day they are earned.
Note: most people find that they will increase the amount of core foods
because they are hungrier due to exercising.
4. 2 teaspoons of heathy oil daily is required.

~Laura

Please note that if you live in onther countries (UK, Australia, NZ,
Europe), the Points plans are different. The UK and Australia/NZ
calculate points based on saturated fat and total kilojoules. Most of
Europe calculates based on total fat and total kilojoules. The desktop
calculator above can handle all of these programs.

Disclaimer: As an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, asdww is unusual in that
most of the people who participate are respectful, considerate folks who
freely share their experience with and knowledge of WW, weight loss, and
maintenance. Yet occasionally, spammers, trolls, and flamers show up to
post advertising, false information, insults, and the like. Nearly all
of the time, people like this are just trying to yank someone's chain.
Most of the regulars on this newsgroup offer their experience as a
suggestion to try if you're stuck, but are quick to advise that each
person has to find what works for him/herself. If someone posts
something that doesn't sound right to you, ask the newsgroup, ask your
WW leader, or ask your health professional.

Much success on your weight loss journey! WW works!

--
Julie.
93.5/73.6/74 (WW)/72 (Personal) kg
205.7/161.9/162.8 (WW)/158 (Personal) lb

Here's our FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ and welcome notice:
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KimStar
February 7th, 2006, 01:18 AM
I wanted to thank everyone who responded. That was so nice of all of you.
And I'm sorry I haven't had the chance until now to acknowledge everyone who
offered their feedback.

Things have been going a little bit better the last couple of days. My scale
is now showing a 2 lb. drop. Pretty small for over a month into the program,
but at least it's a start in the right direction. The exercise is going a
little better too. I haven't added a lot of time to any of the routines, but
I've increased them a small amount and am enduring better. Again, it's a
small start in the right direction.

I've been a little less hungry the last few days, too. Perhaps my metabolism
is beginning to adjust to the idea it's getting less food and has to learn
to live w/ it <g>. I also discovered, just as one person who replied
suggested, that I wasn't calculating my activity points correctly and was
shorting myself on points I could have. My husband looked over how I was
calculating it and showed me where I had made my mistake. I adjusted it and
that was wonderful...I was able to have a little more food the days I've
exercised recently and that has kept me from being as hungry.

Yesterday, I had a stellar day. I put off a first meal w/ only a 1 pt. snack
until late morning, whereupon we shared a nice healthy brunch w/ a neighbor
who had been away a while and we were catching up. We consumed a lot of food
for a "typical" WW meal, but it was all pretty good stuff, point-wise,
nutritition-wise, and I stuck w/ the WW bagels, and had only a dab of lite
cream cheese (even tho I put out the FF--the lite had chives and onion and I
wanted it w/ the bagel and lox I had), and I only used one half slice for a
3 thin slices of lox w/ the schmear of lite cream cheese; then, I took
another half slice, divided that in half and put a thin slice of lean RB on
one half (1/4 slice really) and 1 slice of lean ham on the other. I also
tore off another half of a half of a bagel slice to put on a little hummus.
The hummus is a little high in fat, it's true, but also high in fiber, so
it's a good trade-off and I had only a very small quantity. Other than that,
I had only orange juice and some fruit and yogurt. I took only about 3
spoonfuls of NF yogurt to mix w/ some sliced strawberries, and some small
slices of pear, apple and orange. It was all very tastey and filling at a
cost of about 11 pts...but as I had only had 1 pt. earlier all morning, it
was eseentially a blending of breakfast and lunch.

The wonderful thing is, I wasn't hungry at all the entire afternoon, and ate
nothing else until dinner, which was kind of late. I just drank water. We
had a great dinner...boneless, smoked pork chops (I had one chop), smothered
in a handful of chopped, cooked onion and apple, and maybe 1 tbs of
unsweetened apple sauce. It was tastey and a true bargain at barely more
than 2 pts. I had a big sprig of broccoli (free) and--my favorite--a medium
baked potato w/ the FF Parkay spray and a dollop of FF sour cream (my
favorite meals have baked potatoes w/ sour cream in them), upon which I
sprinkled pepper and paprika. The whole thing was barely 4 pts. and it was
surprisingly tastey and satisfying. I had so many points to spare, I was
able to indulge in a little cup of ice milk w/ a dribble of lite choc. syrup
(4 pts) all told. A little later, I allowed myself a 1 pt. SnackWell cookie
before going to bed, w/ 2 pts. to spare. And I wasn't hungry at all after
the early part of the day. It was a good feeling! : )

Amazingly, I did this w/ no activity pts., as I was unable to get to the gym
yesterday.

All in all, I feel it's going a little better. I did a rushed workout at the
gym today, but got in the activity points I was hoping for (5) and am doing
pretty well on the food today and not feeling much hunger. Oh! And I found a
place w/ the leg rests we need for the wheelchair for after the surgery and
picked those up today. So things are definitely better.

My one question is, how many pts. are the "recovery shakes" at the Bally's
juice bar? No nutritional values are posted and the attendant at the juice
bar doesn't know. Bally's has a weight loss program too and on its menu, it
says 1 20 oz. shake can subsitute for 1 complete meal up to 3 x a week. So
I'm wondering if it's legit to credit it as I would a meal of about 4-5 pts.
Today I had a 20 oz. shake w/ NF milk, a whole banana, shaved ice, a little
vanilla cream and a scoop of chocolate flavor protein powder. I believe
there is no sugar.

Bally's website does not include nutritional values and the staff at the
club doesn't seem to know. The nutrition counselors probably do, but I doubt
I could talk to them w/o being enrolled in the program, and I'm not
interested in doing that.

I just wonder if anyone here has any thoughts on this.

Thanks again for all the great feedback!

Kim

ahmward
February 7th, 2006, 05:06 AM
"KimStar" > wrote in message
om...
>I wanted to thank everyone who responded. That was so nice of all of
>you. And I'm sorry I haven't had the chance until now to acknowledge
>everyone who offered their feedback.
>
> Things have been going a little bit better the last couple of days. My
> scale is now showing a 2 lb. drop. Pretty small for over a month into
> the program, but at least it's a start in the right direction. The
> exercise is going a little better too. I haven't added a lot of time
> to any of the routines, but I've increased them a small amount and am
> enduring better. Again, it's a small start in the right direction.
>
> I've been a little less hungry the last few days, too. Perhaps my
> metabolism is beginning to adjust to the idea it's getting less food
> and has to learn to live w/ it <g>. I also discovered, just as one
> person who replied suggested, that I wasn't calculating my activity
> points correctly and was shorting myself on points I could have. My
> husband looked over how I was calculating it and showed me where I had
> made my mistake. I adjusted it and that was wonderful...I was able to
> have a little more food the days I've exercised recently and that has
> kept me from being as hungry.
>
> Yesterday, I had a stellar day. I put off a first meal w/ only a 1 pt.
> snack until late morning, whereupon we shared a nice healthy brunch w/
> a neighbor who had been away a while and we were catching up. We
> consumed a lot of food for a "typical" WW meal, but it was all pretty
> good stuff, point-wise, nutritition-wise, and I stuck w/ the WW
> bagels, and had only a dab of lite cream cheese (even tho I put out
> the FF--the lite had chives and onion and I wanted it w/ the bagel and
> lox I had), and I only used one half slice for a 3 thin slices of lox
> w/ the schmear of lite cream cheese; then, I took another half slice,
> divided that in half and put a thin slice of lean RB on one half (1/4
> slice really) and 1 slice of lean ham on the other. I also tore off
> another half of a half of a bagel slice to put on a little hummus. The
> hummus is a little high in fat, it's true, but also high in fiber, so
> it's a good trade-off and I had only a very small quantity. Other than
> that, I had only orange juice and some fruit and yogurt. I took only
> about 3 spoonfuls of NF yogurt to mix w/ some sliced strawberries, and
> some small slices of pear, apple and orange. It was all very tastey
> and filling at a cost of about 11 pts...but as I had only had 1 pt.
> earlier all morning, it was eseentially a blending of breakfast and
> lunch.
>
> The wonderful thing is, I wasn't hungry at all the entire afternoon,
> and ate nothing else until dinner, which was kind of late. I just
> drank water. We had a great dinner...boneless, smoked pork chops (I
> had one chop), smothered in a handful of chopped, cooked onion and
> apple, and maybe 1 tbs of unsweetened apple sauce. It was tastey and a
> true bargain at barely more than 2 pts. I had a big sprig of broccoli
> (free) and--my favorite--a medium baked potato w/ the FF Parkay spray
> and a dollop of FF sour cream (my favorite meals have baked potatoes
> w/ sour cream in them), upon which I sprinkled pepper and paprika. The
> whole thing was barely 4 pts. and it was surprisingly tastey and
> satisfying. I had so many points to spare, I was able to indulge in a
> little cup of ice milk w/ a dribble of lite choc. syrup (4 pts) all
> told. A little later, I allowed myself a 1 pt. SnackWell cookie before
> going to bed, w/ 2 pts. to spare. And I wasn't hungry at all after the
> early part of the day. It was a good feeling! : )
>
> Amazingly, I did this w/ no activity pts., as I was unable to get to
> the gym yesterday.
>
> All in all, I feel it's going a little better. I did a rushed workout
> at the gym today, but got in the activity points I was hoping for (5)
> and am doing pretty well on the food today and not feeling much
> hunger. Oh! And I found a place w/ the leg rests we need for the
> wheelchair for after the surgery and picked those up today. So things
> are definitely better.
>
> My one question is, how many pts. are the "recovery shakes" at the
> Bally's juice bar? No nutritional values are posted and the attendant
> at the juice bar doesn't know. Bally's has a weight loss program too
> and on its menu, it says 1 20 oz. shake can subsitute for 1 complete
> meal up to 3 x a week. So I'm wondering if it's legit to credit it as
> I would a meal of about 4-5 pts. Today I had a 20 oz. shake w/ NF
> milk, a whole banana, shaved ice, a little vanilla cream and a scoop
> of chocolate flavor protein powder. I believe there is no sugar.
>
> Bally's website does not include nutritional values and the staff at
> the club doesn't seem to know. The nutrition counselors probably do,
> but I doubt I could talk to them w/o being enrolled in the program,
> and I'm not interested in doing that.
>
> I just wonder if anyone here has any thoughts on this.
>
> Thanks again for all the great feedback!
>
> Kim
Kim, really try to find out the nutritional content of those recovery
shakes. Products vary widely and you wouldn't want to be drinking
something that had far more points than you desired. I learned that the
hard way with the so-called nutritional bars from GNC. Ask your
question on the www.weighwatchers.com food board since they get more
traffic than this site. You are doing so well that I wouldn't want you
to sabotage your good food and exercise the rest of the day.

Audrey