Soy Many Scares, Soy Little Time

[jeffstier@gmail.com]

By Jeff Stier, Esq.


Soy worsens heart disease! Or at least, that's what all the papers
would be saying today if soy were an industrial chemical, or even a
pesticide. A study published in the Journal of Clinical Investigation
found that soy-filled diets increased the likelihood of heart disease
-- in certain male mice.

Reports by Reuters and others on the study emphasized scientists'
cautions that the study has no clear implications for humans -- but the
same could be said for virtually every chemical scare that makes
headlines, based as they are upon high-dose rodent studies with little
relevance to ordinary-dose human exposures. Reporters, politicians,
and regulators automatically fall in line to condemn the latest
purported threat (as gauged solely by rodent tests) from industry, but
when the "threat" is just as "real" -- and comes from nature -- society
moves quietly onward, unperturbed.

If the precautionary principle (by which environmentalists decree that
no substance should be used if it shows even the slightest potential
for harm) and EPA regulations (such as the ones inspiring ACSH's recent
lawsuit) were applied to nature as readily as to manmade products, we
have to ban half the molecules on the planet.

Not only environmental activists but most people who shop at Whole
Foods Markets or similar stores will tell you that there is a chance
that non-organic products could be harmful -- and that until they have
proof otherwise, it's "better to be safe than sorry" and so they will
avoid the mainstream food. To be intellectually consistent -- however
foolish -- these shoppers and the organic stores themselves would have
to immediately pull all soy products off the market until we have 100%
proof that this one animal study doesn't apply to humans.

But nature is in, industry is out, and soy will no doubt get a free
ride from the people who usually serve as scaremongers.


Jeff Stier, Esq., makes a mean tofu stir fry and is an associate
director of the American Council on Science and Health (ACSH.org,
HealthFactsAndFears.com).

[Mary_Gordon@tvo.org]

Welll the truth is, you have to eat to live, and living eventually
kills ya. So maybe all food leads straight to the grave!

I think what gets me is that common sense goes out the window in these
fads and newstories, and everyone jumps on the latest miracle food or
supplement, or starts shunning whatever is currently classed as "evil".
Oooh, cheesecake, a heart attack on a plate! Or, oooh, sea grass juice
and green tea by the gallon, right to skinny perfect heaven!

Ah, moderation, moderation in all things!

M.

[Carol Frilegh]

In article . com>,
> wrote:

> Welll the truth is, you have to eat to live, and living eventually
> kills ya. So maybe all food leads straight to the grave!
>
> I think what gets me is that common sense goes out the window in these
> fads and newstories, and everyone jumps on the latest miracle food or
> supplement, or starts shunning whatever is currently classed as "evil".
> Oooh, cheesecake, a heart attack on a plate! Or, oooh, sea grass juice
> and green tea by the gallon, right to skinny perfect heaven!
>
> Ah, moderation, moderation in all things!

This is not true. Some foods are not suitable for those with particular
conditions.
>
> M.
>

[Black Metal Martha]

wrote:
> Welll the truth is, you have to eat to live, and living eventually
> kills ya. So maybe all food leads straight to the grave!
>
> I think what gets me is that common sense goes out the window in these
> fads and newstories, and everyone jumps on the latest miracle food or
> supplement, or starts shunning whatever is currently classed as "evil".
> Oooh, cheesecake, a heart attack on a plate! Or, oooh, sea grass juice
> and green tea by the gallon, right to skinny perfect heaven!
>
> Ah, moderation, moderation in all things!
>
> M.

A couple of my coworkers said emphatically yesterday that little boys
should never, ever be given soy. I didn't knwo anything about it and I
wasn't going to refute what they said, but they were saying it's really
harmful to give little kids soy. I hadn't heard that before. Truth or
more media BS?

Martha

[Nunya B.]

"Black Metal Martha" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> wrote:
>> Welll the truth is, you have to eat to live, and living eventually
>> kills ya. So maybe all food leads straight to the grave!
>>
>> I think what gets me is that common sense goes out the window in these
>> fads and newstories, and everyone jumps on the latest miracle food or
>> supplement, or starts shunning whatever is currently classed as "evil".
>> Oooh, cheesecake, a heart attack on a plate! Or, oooh, sea grass juice
>> and green tea by the gallon, right to skinny perfect heaven!
>>
>> Ah, moderation, moderation in all things!
>>
>> M.
>
> A couple of my coworkers said emphatically yesterday that little boys
> should never, ever be given soy. I didn't knwo anything about it and I
> wasn't going to refute what they said, but they were saying it's really
> harmful to give little kids soy. I hadn't heard that before. Truth or
> more media BS?
>
> Martha

Mostly BS. In significant quantity, soy can have an estrogen effect. I
have friends who ate lots and lots of it during menopause to relieve
symptoms - but you're talking eating it at every meal. The only men who
have to really worry about the effects of soy are usually post-op trannies
taking male hormones. A healthy male won't really see any side effects.

Soy is also a common allergen along with nuts, dairy, and wheat.

OTOH there are plenty of cultures that eat a lot of soy and instead of ill
effects they have seen longer life spans, check the Okinawa study.
--
the volleyballchick

[Mary_Gordon@tvo.org]

Well, other than people with allergies who CAN be killed by
micro-amount of a particular food (like me and walnuts), no foods are
Satan. C'mon. My husband is a Type 1, Insulin dependent diabetic, and
he can have sugary things like donuts, desserts etc. - he just has to
use some intelligence (i.e. one piece of cake or one donut, not half
the box).

Same goes for heart disease. A little dietary fat like the occasional
Big Mac isn't going to kill a person who is eating a balanced diet. Its
the people who eat them a dozen times a week that are putting
themselves at risk.

Thats what I meant by moderation.

M.

[Carol Frilegh]

In article >, Nunya B.
> wrote:

> "Black Metal Martha" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > wrote:
> >> Welll the truth is, you have to eat to live, and living eventually
> >> kills ya. So maybe all food leads straight to the grave!
> >>
> >> I think what gets me is that common sense goes out the window in these
> >> fads and newstories, and everyone jumps on the latest miracle food or
> >> supplement, or starts shunning whatever is currently classed as "evil".
> >> Oooh, cheesecake, a heart attack on a plate! Or, oooh, sea grass juice
> >> and green tea by the gallon, right to skinny perfect heaven!
> >>
> >> Ah, moderation, moderation in all things!
> >>
> >> M.
> >
> > A couple of my coworkers said emphatically yesterday that little boys
> > should never, ever be given soy. I didn't knwo anything about it and I
> > wasn't going to refute what they said, but they were saying it's really
> > harmful to give little kids soy. I hadn't heard that before. Truth or
> > more media BS?
> >
> > Martha
>
> Mostly BS. In significant quantity, soy can have an estrogen effect. I
> have friends who ate lots and lots of it during menopause to relieve
> symptoms - but you're talking eating it at every meal. The only men who
> have to really worry about the effects of soy are usually post-op trannies
> taking male hormones. A healthy male won't really see any side effects.
>
> Soy is also a common allergen along with nuts, dairy, and wheat.
>
> OTOH there are plenty of cultures that eat a lot of soy and instead of ill
> effects they have seen longer life spans, check the Okinawa study.

Soy is not advisable for those with thyroid issues.

[Doug Lerner]

On 1/5/06 8:36 PM, in article
. com, "
> wrote:

> Soy worsens heart disease!

And don't forget to stay away from dihydrogen monoxide. This hidden killer
is now found in all rivers in the U.S. and you can't hardly find any foods
without it.

doug

[Matthew Venhaus]

"Black Metal Martha" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> A couple of my coworkers said emphatically yesterday that little boys
> should never, ever be given soy. I didn't knwo anything about it and I
> wasn't going to refute what they said, but they were saying it's really
> harmful to give little kids soy. I hadn't heard that before. Truth or
> more media BS?
>
All you wanted to know about soy for men courtesy of Will Brink:
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/brink/soy-protein.htm

[Chris Braun]

On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:01:09 -0500, Carol Frilegh >
wrote:

>In article >, Nunya B.
> wrote:
>
>> "Black Metal Martha" > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >> Welll the truth is, you have to eat to live, and living eventually
>> >> kills ya. So maybe all food leads straight to the grave!
>> >>
>> >> I think what gets me is that common sense goes out the window in these
>> >> fads and newstories, and everyone jumps on the latest miracle food or
>> >> supplement, or starts shunning whatever is currently classed as "evil".
>> >> Oooh, cheesecake, a heart attack on a plate! Or, oooh, sea grass juice
>> >> and green tea by the gallon, right to skinny perfect heaven!
>> >>
>> >> Ah, moderation, moderation in all things!
>> >>
>> >> M.
>> >
>> > A couple of my coworkers said emphatically yesterday that little boys
>> > should never, ever be given soy. I didn't knwo anything about it and I
>> > wasn't going to refute what they said, but they were saying it's really
>> > harmful to give little kids soy. I hadn't heard that before. Truth or
>> > more media BS?
>> >
>> > Martha
>>
>> Mostly BS. In significant quantity, soy can have an estrogen effect. I
>> have friends who ate lots and lots of it during menopause to relieve
>> symptoms - but you're talking eating it at every meal. The only men who
>> have to really worry about the effects of soy are usually post-op trannies
>> taking male hormones. A healthy male won't really see any side effects.
>>
>> Soy is also a common allergen along with nuts, dairy, and wheat.
>>
>> OTOH there are plenty of cultures that eat a lot of soy and instead of ill
>> effects they have seen longer life spans, check the Okinawa study.
>
>Soy is not advisable for those with thyroid issues.

Well, I'm gonna go with my endocrinologist's advice, not yours. I
have fairly severe Hashimoto's disease, and he has told me that soy in
normal quantities is no problem at all. Nor do I have any problem
with it. (He is, by the way, generally selected as "the
endocrinologist that other doctor's would pick first" in an annual DC
area physicians poll.)

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

[Beverly]

Carol Frilegh wrote:
> In article >, Nunya B.
> > wrote:
>
> > "Black Metal Martha" > wrote in message
> > ups.com...
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >> Welll the truth is, you have to eat to live, and living eventually
> > >> kills ya. So maybe all food leads straight to the grave!
> > >>
> > >> I think what gets me is that common sense goes out the window in these
> > >> fads and newstories, and everyone jumps on the latest miracle food or
> > >> supplement, or starts shunning whatever is currently classed as "evil".
> > >> Oooh, cheesecake, a heart attack on a plate! Or, oooh, sea grass juice
> > >> and green tea by the gallon, right to skinny perfect heaven!
> > >>
> > >> Ah, moderation, moderation in all things!
> > >>
> > >> M.
> > >
> > > A couple of my coworkers said emphatically yesterday that little boys
> > > should never, ever be given soy. I didn't knwo anything about it and I
> > > wasn't going to refute what they said, but they were saying it's really
> > > harmful to give little kids soy. I hadn't heard that before. Truth or
> > > more media BS?
> > >
> > > Martha
> >
> > Mostly BS. In significant quantity, soy can have an estrogen effect. I
> > have friends who ate lots and lots of it during menopause to relieve
> > symptoms - but you're talking eating it at every meal. The only men who
> > have to really worry about the effects of soy are usually post-op trannies
> > taking male hormones. A healthy male won't really see any side effects.
> >
> > Soy is also a common allergen along with nuts, dairy, and wheat.
> >
> > OTOH there are plenty of cultures that eat a lot of soy and instead of ill
> > effects they have seen longer life spans, check the Okinawa study.
>
> Soy is not advisable for those with thyroid issues.

Most sites indicate 'over consumption' of soy is not advisable for
those with thyroid issues. As one article stated, just because
something is good for us doesn't mean over dosing on it is good :) I
still believe moderation is the key to many things in life.

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/soyinfo/a/soy_3.htm

[Beverly]

Doug Lerner wrote:
> On 1/5/06 8:36 PM, in article
> . com, "
> > wrote:
>
> > Soy worsens heart disease!
>
> And don't forget to stay away from dihydrogen monoxide. This hidden killer
> is now found in all rivers in the U.S. and you can't hardly find any foods
> without it.
>
> doug

I assume this is one of the reasons you moved out of the US <G>

Beverly

[Nunya B.]

"Doug Lerner" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>
> On 1/5/06 8:36 PM, in article
> . com,
> "
> > wrote:
>
>> Soy worsens heart disease!
>
> And don't forget to stay away from dihydrogen monoxide. This hidden killer
> is now found in all rivers in the U.S. and you can't hardly find any foods
> without it.

My favorite!!
--
the volleyballchick

[Carol Frilegh]

In article >, Chris Braun
> wrote:

> On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:01:09 -0500, Carol Frilegh >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, Nunya B.
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Black Metal Martha" > wrote in message
> >> ups.com...
> >> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> Welll the truth is, you have to eat to live, and living eventually
> >> >> kills ya. So maybe all food leads straight to the grave!
> >> >>
> >> >> I think what gets me is that common sense goes out the window in these
> >> >> fads and newstories, and everyone jumps on the latest miracle food or
> >> >> supplement, or starts shunning whatever is currently classed as "evil".
> >> >> Oooh, cheesecake, a heart attack on a plate! Or, oooh, sea grass juice
> >> >> and green tea by the gallon, right to skinny perfect heaven!
> >> >>
> >> >> Ah, moderation, moderation in all things!
> >> >>
> >> >> M.
> >> >
> >> > A couple of my coworkers said emphatically yesterday that little boys
> >> > should never, ever be given soy. I didn't knwo anything about it and I
> >> > wasn't going to refute what they said, but they were saying it's really
> >> > harmful to give little kids soy. I hadn't heard that before. Truth or
> >> > more media BS?
> >> >
> >> > Martha
> >>
> >> Mostly BS. In significant quantity, soy can have an estrogen effect. I
> >> have friends who ate lots and lots of it during menopause to relieve
> >> symptoms - but you're talking eating it at every meal. The only men who
> >> have to really worry about the effects of soy are usually post-op trannies
> >> taking male hormones. A healthy male won't really see any side effects.
> >>
> >> Soy is also a common allergen along with nuts, dairy, and wheat.
> >>
> >> OTOH there are plenty of cultures that eat a lot of soy and instead of ill
> >> effects they have seen longer life spans, check the Okinawa study.
> >
> >Soy is not advisable for those with thyroid issues.
>
> Well, I'm gonna go with my endocrinologist's advice, not yours. I
> have fairly severe Hashimoto's disease, and he has told me that soy in
> normal quantities is no problem at all. Nor do I have any problem
> with it. (He is, by the way, generally selected as "the
> endocrinologist that other doctor's would pick first" in an annual DC
> area physicians poll.)

The last time I looked, there was no shingle hanging in this house so
by all means do what your doctor advises. And while waiting for an
appointment Google "Soy and Thyroid."

I tend to distrust mainstream medicine on occasion from plenty of
negative experiences but I go when it seems to be indicated and so
should you!

--
Diva
*****
The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman

[Doug Lerner]

On 1/5/06 11:48 PM, in article
. com, "Beverly"
> wrote:

>
> Doug Lerner wrote:
>> On 1/5/06 8:36 PM, in article
>> . com, "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Soy worsens heart disease!
>>
>> And don't forget to stay away from dihydrogen monoxide. This hidden killer
>> is now found in all rivers in the U.S. and you can't hardly find any foods
>> without it.
>>
>> doug
>
> I assume this is one of the reasons you moved out of the US <G>

It seems to be everywhere though! I think it's even in my bath here! Agh!

doug