Sugar Binge/Starting Fitday - everyone was right...

[nanner]

I was eating way too much food. I had portion creep and was eating cheese
frequently as a snack. I have maintained my weightloss but was confused as
to why I wasn't losing anymore.

I really want to figure this out, not give up and reach my goal.

I don't know if I should be trying to restart at Induction (i do atkins) or
if I should investigate another plan that works a bit diffrently.

I did South Beach when the book came out. I found the low-fat cheese thing
to be a turn off and I had trouble controlling myself since some whole grain
breads and fruits and oatmeal were allowed. But I did have decent results,
about 14lbs lost - i just found I was obsessing about my next bowl of
oatmeal (with lots of raisins and cinnamon) LOL

I need to learn about calories. I need to watch my fat intake I guess. I
will track with fitday. I had a really bad crash yesterday and binged on
sugar. I ate....ok, get ready for this:

2 cupcakes, a pack of M&Ms, 2 mini-candy bars (like halloween), a
nutterbutter cookie, frosting in a cup mixed with shredded coconut, all the
leftover corned beef & cabbage, Take 5 candy bar, full size Almond Joy,
cheese danish & marble pound cake & enourmous choc. chip cookie (all from
starbucks).

That was my food for the day - not normal, I was in binge out of control
mode.

Had a normal dinner. So - I felt ready to quit, or maybe give up LC and find
a new plan. I have such sugar addiction problems - I always end up binging.
I have come so far and am miserable now. I feel like I am lost and like I
know NOTHING about LC.

[nanner]

i am impressed that you read every single post on this group. I picture you
as a really fat, Walter Hudson fat, guy stretching to see past the fat
rolls and the crumbs and vomit on your bed-sheet toga to read newsgroups 24
hours a day.

[Roger Zoul]

nanner > wrote:
> I was eating way too much food. I had portion creep and was eating
> cheese frequently as a snack. I have maintained my weightloss but was
> confused as to why I wasn't losing anymore.

Good you came to that realization. You're ready for the next step.

>
> I really want to figure this out, not give up and reach my goal.
>
> I don't know if I should be trying to restart at Induction (i do
> atkins) or if I should investigate another plan that works a bit
> diffrently.

No. Don't chuck what you already know. Just tweak it a bit.

>
> I did South Beach when the book came out. I found the low-fat cheese
> thing to be a turn off and I had trouble controlling myself since
> some whole grain breads and fruits and oatmeal were allowed. But I
> did have decent results, about 14lbs lost - i just found I was
> obsessing about my next bowl of oatmeal (with lots of raisins and
> cinnamon) LOL
>
> I need to learn about calories. I need to watch my fat intake I
> guess. I will track with fitday.

Restrict fat only to control calories. Otherwise, eat fat. Keep the
greatest portion of your total calories from fat.

I had a really bad crash yesterday
> and binged on sugar. I ate....ok, get ready for this:
>
> 2 cupcakes, a pack of M&Ms, 2 mini-candy bars (like halloween), a
> nutterbutter cookie, frosting in a cup mixed with shredded coconut,
> all the leftover corned beef & cabbage, Take 5 candy bar, full size
> Almond Joy, cheese danish & marble pound cake & enourmous choc. chip
> cookie (all from starbucks).
>
> That was my food for the day - not normal, I was in binge out of
> control mode.
>
> Had a normal dinner. So - I felt ready to quit, or maybe give up LC
> and find a new plan.

Why? So you had a binge. BFD. You're human. It was good for your soul.
Pick yourself up and go on.


I have such sugar addiction problems - I always
> end up binging. I have come so far and am miserable now. I feel like
> I am lost and like I know NOTHING about LC.

Again, you're not perfect. What's done is done. Glad you enjoyed it. You
can do that once in a long while. You just did. You're progress is not
destroyed. Start again now. Start by learning to use fitday. Enter
everything you eat into it. Remember that JC still think he is a drill
sergeant or something.

[nanner]

i didn't quote you for a reason

[nanner]

"Roger Zoul" > wrote in message
...
> nanner > wrote:
>> I was eating way too much food. I had portion creep and was eating
>> cheese frequently as a snack. I have maintained my weightloss but was
>> confused as to why I wasn't losing anymore.
>
> Good you came to that realization. You're ready for the next step.
>
>>
>> I really want to figure this out, not give up and reach my goal.
>>
>> I don't know if I should be trying to restart at Induction (i do
>> atkins) or if I should investigate another plan that works a bit
>> diffrently.
>
> No. Don't chuck what you already know. Just tweak it a bit.
>
>>
>> I did South Beach when the book came out. I found the low-fat cheese
>> thing to be a turn off and I had trouble controlling myself since
>> some whole grain breads and fruits and oatmeal were allowed. But I
>> did have decent results, about 14lbs lost - i just found I was
>> obsessing about my next bowl of oatmeal (with lots of raisins and
>> cinnamon) LOL
>>
>> I need to learn about calories. I need to watch my fat intake I
>> guess. I will track with fitday.
>
> Restrict fat only to control calories. Otherwise, eat fat. Keep the
> greatest portion of your total calories from fat.
>
> I had a really bad crash yesterday
>> and binged on sugar. I ate....ok, get ready for this:
>>
>> 2 cupcakes, a pack of M&Ms, 2 mini-candy bars (like halloween), a
>> nutterbutter cookie, frosting in a cup mixed with shredded coconut,
>> all the leftover corned beef & cabbage, Take 5 candy bar, full size
>> Almond Joy, cheese danish & marble pound cake & enourmous choc. chip
>> cookie (all from starbucks).
>>
>> That was my food for the day - not normal, I was in binge out of
>> control mode.
>>
>> Had a normal dinner. So - I felt ready to quit, or maybe give up LC
>> and find a new plan.
>
> Why? So you had a binge. BFD. You're human. It was good for your soul.
> Pick yourself up and go on.
>
>
> I have such sugar addiction problems - I always
>> end up binging. I have come so far and am miserable now. I feel like
>> I am lost and like I know NOTHING about LC.
>
> Again, you're not perfect. What's done is done. Glad you enjoyed it.

i dodn't enjoy it.

You
> can do that once in a long while. You just did. You're progress is not
> destroyed. Start again now. Start by learning to use fitday. Enter
> everything you eat into it. Remember that JC still think he is a drill
> sergeant or something.
>
>

[Roger Zoul]

nanner > wrote:
> "Roger Zoul" > wrote in message
> ...
>> nanner > wrote:
>>> I was eating way too much food. I had portion creep and was eating
>>> cheese frequently as a snack. I have maintained my weightloss but
>>> was confused as to why I wasn't losing anymore.
>>
>> Good you came to that realization. You're ready for the next step.
>>
>>>
>>> I really want to figure this out, not give up and reach my goal.
>>>
>>> I don't know if I should be trying to restart at Induction (i do
>>> atkins) or if I should investigate another plan that works a bit
>>> diffrently.
>>
>> No. Don't chuck what you already know. Just tweak it a bit.
>>
>>>
>>> I did South Beach when the book came out. I found the low-fat cheese
>>> thing to be a turn off and I had trouble controlling myself since
>>> some whole grain breads and fruits and oatmeal were allowed. But I
>>> did have decent results, about 14lbs lost - i just found I was
>>> obsessing about my next bowl of oatmeal (with lots of raisins and
>>> cinnamon) LOL
>>>
>>> I need to learn about calories. I need to watch my fat intake I
>>> guess. I will track with fitday.
>>
>> Restrict fat only to control calories. Otherwise, eat fat. Keep the
>> greatest portion of your total calories from fat.
>>
>> I had a really bad crash yesterday
>>> and binged on sugar. I ate....ok, get ready for this:
>>>
>>> 2 cupcakes, a pack of M&Ms, 2 mini-candy bars (like halloween), a
>>> nutterbutter cookie, frosting in a cup mixed with shredded coconut,
>>> all the leftover corned beef & cabbage, Take 5 candy bar, full size
>>> Almond Joy, cheese danish & marble pound cake & enourmous choc. chip
>>> cookie (all from starbucks).
>>>
>>> That was my food for the day - not normal, I was in binge out of
>>> control mode.
>>>
>>> Had a normal dinner. So - I felt ready to quit, or maybe give up LC
>>> and find a new plan.
>>
>> Why? So you had a binge. BFD. You're human. It was good for your
>> soul. Pick yourself up and go on.
>>
>>
>> I have such sugar addiction problems - I always
>>> end up binging. I have come so far and am miserable now. I feel like
>>> I am lost and like I know NOTHING about LC.
>>
>> Again, you're not perfect. What's done is done. Glad you enjoyed it.
>
> i dodn't enjoy it.


Then you need to seek help.

>
> You
>> can do that once in a long while. You just did. You're progress is
>> not destroyed. Start again now. Start by learning to use fitday.
>> Enter everything you eat into it. Remember that JC still think he
>> is a drill sergeant or something.

[Jennifer]

Don't let a lapse become a collapse.

Just start again right now.

You can choose to continue on your journey, even though you pulled over
to the side of the road for awhile...

Or you can sit on the side of the road and ask why?

Or you can head back to where you began.

I say, get back behind the wheel and move along.

Jennifer


nanner wrote:

> I was eating way too much food. I had portion creep and was eating cheese
> frequently as a snack. I have maintained my weightloss but was confused as
> to why I wasn't losing anymore.
>
> I really want to figure this out, not give up and reach my goal.
>
> I don't know if I should be trying to restart at Induction (i do atkins) or
> if I should investigate another plan that works a bit diffrently.
>
> I did South Beach when the book came out. I found the low-fat cheese thing
> to be a turn off and I had trouble controlling myself since some whole grain
> breads and fruits and oatmeal were allowed. But I did have decent results,
> about 14lbs lost - i just found I was obsessing about my next bowl of
> oatmeal (with lots of raisins and cinnamon) LOL
>
> I need to learn about calories. I need to watch my fat intake I guess. I
> will track with fitday. I had a really bad crash yesterday and binged on
> sugar. I ate....ok, get ready for this:
>
> 2 cupcakes, a pack of M&Ms, 2 mini-candy bars (like halloween), a
> nutterbutter cookie, frosting in a cup mixed with shredded coconut, all the
> leftover corned beef & cabbage, Take 5 candy bar, full size Almond Joy,
> cheese danish & marble pound cake & enourmous choc. chip cookie (all from
> starbucks).
>
> That was my food for the day - not normal, I was in binge out of control
> mode.
>
> Had a normal dinner. So - I felt ready to quit, or maybe give up LC and find
> a new plan. I have such sugar addiction problems - I always end up binging.
> I have come so far and am miserable now. I feel like I am lost and like I
> know NOTHING about LC.
>
>

[Wysong *~]

X-No-Archive: yes

"nanner" > wrote in message
...
> Had a normal dinner. So - I felt ready to quit, or maybe give up LC and
find
> a new plan. I have such sugar addiction problems - I always end up
binging.
> I have come so far and am miserable now. I feel like I am lost and like I
> know NOTHING about LC.
==========================
Why were these junk foods in your house to start with if you're low-carbing?
You can't binge on garbage if it's not there!!!

Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 161 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@

[Wysong *~]

X-No-Archive: yes

"nanner" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Roger Zoul" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Again, you're not perfect. What's done is done. Glad you enjoyed it.
====================
> i dodn't enjoy it.

Then why did you do it if you weren't enjoying yourself? Sorry, but that
makes no sense.

Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 161 / 140 lb
~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@

[Cubit]

I seem to detect an anti-fat bias. Cheese can be fine. The important thing
is portion control. An ounce of cheese is a good thing. Inhaling a pound
of cheese is a problem.

In any case, we will know much more once you share some of the Fitday data.

If you are dreaming of oatmeal, you may need to eat a little bit of
something else to reduce your hunger.


"nanner" > wrote in message
...
> I was eating way too much food. I had portion creep and was eating cheese
> frequently as a snack. I have maintained my weightloss but was confused as
> to why I wasn't losing anymore.
>
> I really want to figure this out, not give up and reach my goal.
>
> I don't know if I should be trying to restart at Induction (i do atkins)
or
> if I should investigate another plan that works a bit diffrently.
>
> I did South Beach when the book came out. I found the low-fat cheese thing
> to be a turn off and I had trouble controlling myself since some whole
grain
> breads and fruits and oatmeal were allowed. But I did have decent results,
> about 14lbs lost - i just found I was obsessing about my next bowl of
> oatmeal (with lots of raisins and cinnamon) LOL
>
> I need to learn about calories. I need to watch my fat intake I guess. I
> will track with fitday. I had a really bad crash yesterday and binged on
> sugar. I ate....ok, get ready for this:
>
> 2 cupcakes, a pack of M&Ms, 2 mini-candy bars (like halloween), a
> nutterbutter cookie, frosting in a cup mixed with shredded coconut, all
the
> leftover corned beef & cabbage, Take 5 candy bar, full size Almond Joy,
> cheese danish & marble pound cake & enourmous choc. chip cookie (all from
> starbucks).
>
> That was my food for the day - not normal, I was in binge out of control
> mode.
>
> Had a normal dinner. So - I felt ready to quit, or maybe give up LC and
find
> a new plan. I have such sugar addiction problems - I always end up
binging.
> I have come so far and am miserable now. I feel like I am lost and like I
> know NOTHING about LC.
>
>

[Luna]

In article >, "Wysong *~" >
wrote:

> X-No-Archive: yes
>
> "nanner" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Roger Zoul" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Again, you're not perfect. What's done is done. Glad you enjoyed it.
> ====================
> > i dodn't enjoy it.
>
> Then why did you do it if you weren't enjoying yourself? Sorry, but that
> makes no sense.
>

That's exactly what I'm talking about when I say some foods cause an
addiction-like response in some people. And then people are all "Bull,
food isn't addictive." And I say bull to that. I've been addicted to
drugs too, and regardless of what's going on with body and brain
chemistry, it feels like the exact same process. Maybe the first couple
of hits or bites you get some pleasure from it, then it's just a
compulsion that has nothing to do with pleasure.

Nanner, don't beat yourself up about your binge, please. Look at it
objectively and scientifically, as one more data point about your body.
Weight loss is a science experiment, and you are the scientist, and your
body is the subject. You've learned that if you add sugar to your body,
a certain reaction occurs. Maybe it sucks, maybe it's not fair, maybe
you'll never be able to be healthy while eating like "normal" people do,
but that's just how it is.

[Saffire]

In article >, says...
> I was eating way too much food. I had portion creep and was eating cheese
> frequently as a snack. I have maintained my weightloss but was confused as
> to why I wasn't losing anymore.
>
> I really want to figure this out, not give up and reach my goal.
>
> I don't know if I should be trying to restart at Induction (i do atkins) or
> if I should investigate another plan that works a bit diffrently.

I recommend going back to induction, at least for a few days until
ketosis kicks back in and the carb-cravings subside.

> 2 cupcakes, a pack of M&Ms, 2 mini-candy bars (like halloween), a
> nutterbutter cookie, frosting in a cup mixed with shredded coconut, all the
> leftover corned beef & cabbage, Take 5 candy bar, full size Almond Joy,
> cheese danish & marble pound cake & enourmous choc. chip cookie (all from
> starbucks).
>
> That was my food for the day - not normal, I was in binge out of control
> mode.

Yeah, that's a pretty big crash, all right. Did something else going on
in your life precipitate it? We don't need to know that, but it's
something you might want to explore. Old habits in response to stress
die hard.

> Had a normal dinner. So - I felt ready to quit, or maybe give up LC and find
> a new plan. I have such sugar addiction problems - I always end up binging.
> I have come so far and am miserable now. I feel like I am lost and like I
> know NOTHING about LC.

That's temporary, like a bruise. Hurts like hell at first, but the pain
and discoloration usually subside in a day or so. Try not to dwell on
the fall; instead, focus on a PLAN to pick yourself up and get right
back on the wagon. Kind of like when a professional skater falls during
a triple axel -- nothing you can do about it once it's happened, so just
get up and keep going.

Of course, it's easy for me to say, because I don't have small children
or a husband/partner around to tempt me. My adult son lives with me,
but he usually fixes his own food and keeps most of it in his room. He
keeps making Pop-tarts lately, which smell good, but do not tempt me.
The only time I had a big-time temptation was when he baked some
Pillsbury dinner rolls -- DAMN they smelled heavenly! I had to go in my
room and shut the door :-) He used to make them a lot, but now that I
think about it, he hasn't made them in a long time since I told him
about how tempted I was. What a sweetheart! He tries to eat healthy,
but he's been eating a LOT of junk food in the last couple of weeks as
he's been cramming for exams.

It's a commitment, to be sure. It really DOES require a change in
mindset, which could take some time. I started out gung-ho to do
Atkins, but did not think of it as a permanent change in lifestyle until
about a month later when I realized how much better I felt and how easy
it was to do compared to any other diet I had ever tried. As I said in
a previous post, it's not the "thin" part that motivates me, it's the
FEELING BETTER part. Maybe you need to think about WHY you want to lose
weight and what it would take to make it a priority.

Do you weigh and measure your foods? I keep track of EVERYTYHING I eat,
and the very process of doing that has made me SOOOO much more aware of
the nutritional value of foods in general. Going back to pre-low-carb,
whenever I gained a lot of weight, it usually coincided with my
deliberately NOT wanting to know -- I didn't want to know what I weighed
and I didn't want to know how many calories or how much fat was in
anything I ate. Yeah, 6 raspberry-cream-filled candy & cookie frogs
from the Danish bakery were good, but they were probably about 1500
calories EACH. I didn't even LIKE them THAT much, but I ate them all in
a day, anyway -- more than once. Didn't know, didn't CARE. I CARED,
but it was more of a matter of almost HYSTERICAL denial and a battle
with the more rebellious side of me. My inner-child and I argued about
"food" all the time, and the kid usually won. I sometimes ate 6 Kit-Kat
bars in a row, too (six was a frequent binge number of "servings" of
sweet stuff for me). It was really more of a PUNISHMENT of myself than
a treat, considering how much I stressed out over it, even through all
the denial. I can't IMAGINE ever doing that again because I simply know
too much about the nutritional value of food now to ever justify it to
myself again, no matter HOW much I want to deny it. I'm not saying it
WON'T happen eventually, but since my mindset about food HAS changed, I
think it's much less likely. Sometimes it just takes time to develop
different attitudes about how and why we eat at certain times.

--
Saffire
205/142/125 - 5'1.5"
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

[nanner]

"Luna" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Wysong *~" >
> wrote:
>
>> X-No-Archive: yes
>>
>> "nanner" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "Roger Zoul" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > Again, you're not perfect. What's done is done. Glad you enjoyed it.
>> ====================
>> > i dodn't enjoy it.
>>
>> Then why did you do it if you weren't enjoying yourself? Sorry, but
>> that
>> makes no sense.
>>
>
> That's exactly what I'm talking about when I say some foods cause an
> addiction-like response in some people. And then people are all "Bull,
> food isn't addictive." And I say bull to that. I've been addicted to
> drugs too, and regardless of what's going on with body and brain
> chemistry, it feels like the exact same process. Maybe the first couple
> of hits or bites you get some pleasure from it, then it's just a
> compulsion that has nothing to do with pleasure.

yup - it's almost more about giving in to doing it.

>
> Nanner, don't beat yourself up about your binge, please. Look at it
> objectively and scientifically, as one more data point about your body.
> Weight loss is a science experiment, and you are the scientist, and your
> body is the subject. You've learned that if you add sugar to your body,
> a certain reaction occurs. Maybe it sucks, maybe it's not fair, maybe
> you'll never be able to be healthy while eating like "normal" people do,
> but that's just how it is.

[Mogget]

In message >,
Luna > writes
>In article >, "Wysong *~" >
>wrote:
>
>> X-No-Archive: yes
>>
>> "nanner" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "Roger Zoul" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > Again, you're not perfect. What's done is done. Glad you enjoyed it.
>> ====================
>> > i dodn't enjoy it.
>>
>> Then why did you do it if you weren't enjoying yourself? Sorry, but that
>> makes no sense.
>>
>
>That's exactly what I'm talking about when I say some foods cause an
>addiction-like response in some people. And then people are all "Bull,
>food isn't addictive." And I say bull to that. I've been addicted to
>drugs too, and regardless of what's going on with body and brain
>chemistry, it feels like the exact same process. Maybe the first couple
>of hits or bites you get some pleasure from it, then it's just a
>compulsion that has nothing to do with pleasure.

Yes yes yes exactly.
--
Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat

[Mitch Stevens]

Don't worry about this 'JC' guy..
He's a full blown idiot. We've found his local.
I'm not part of this group but someone who actually
works with an 'elite' legal group and have been able
to extract Giganews' database.
He's been track.

We'll be taking him down soon.
He's abused other newsgroups, as well.
Turns out he's a huge zit-filled, phat phuck of a punk youngster
who incidentally has no social life and can't get a girlfriend.

So consider the source, next time this yellow-belly coward of
a puke posts.
He's a complete waste of time and we've got him.
He thought he was safe posting via an 'anon' poster, but nothing
is anonymous anymore on the net.

Also! he uses multiple 'domain' names in his postings. A true sign of a
punk-coward -- He's fat, he's got zits, he's got no girlfriend and
is a complete loser.

This person could not face is accuser due to the fact
he's been beat up in school and is an outcast.
You know the type.. and karma will surely also take him
down.

JC, don't even think about using IBM as a domain.
You're an insult to the co.
You'd never get in any legit co. without some kind of bull****ting.
You're that pathetic.
Coward -- Nothing but an idiot and a keyboard attacker.

You know when we catch you, you'll be like all the other
idiots we've brought down: 'Oh please, I didn't mean any harm'
Get your phat ass out of the house and stop wasting people's
time on Mommy's Internet paid for services and system.

Major loser!

'Mitch Stevens'
"JC Der Koenig" > wrote in message
...
> You might as well give up if you can't figure out what carbs are, what
foods
> they are in, and keep them out of your diet.
>
> --
> You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
>
>
> "nanner" > wrote in message
> ...
> >I was eating way too much food. I had portion creep and was eating cheese
> >frequently as a snack. I have maintained my weightloss but was confused
as
> >to why I wasn't losing anymore.
> >
> > I really want to figure this out, not give up and reach my goal.
> >
> > I don't know if I should be trying to restart at Induction (i do atkins)
> > or if I should investigate another plan that works a bit diffrently.
> >
> > I did South Beach when the book came out. I found the low-fat cheese
thing
> > to be a turn off and I had trouble controlling myself since some whole
> > grain breads and fruits and oatmeal were allowed. But I did have decent
> > results, about 14lbs lost - i just found I was obsessing about my next
> > bowl of oatmeal (with lots of raisins and cinnamon) LOL
> >
> > I need to learn about calories. I need to watch my fat intake I guess. I
> > will track with fitday. I had a really bad crash yesterday and binged on
> > sugar. I ate....ok, get ready for this:
> >
> > 2 cupcakes, a pack of M&Ms, 2 mini-candy bars (like halloween), a
> > nutterbutter cookie, frosting in a cup mixed with shredded coconut, all
> > the leftover corned beef & cabbage, Take 5 candy bar, full size Almond
> > Joy, cheese danish & marble pound cake & enourmous choc. chip cookie
(all
> > from starbucks).
> >
> > That was my food for the day - not normal, I was in binge out of control
> > mode.
> >
> > Had a normal dinner. So - I felt ready to quit, or maybe give up LC and
> > find a new plan. I have such sugar addiction problems - I always end up
> > binging. I have come so far and am miserable now. I feel like I am lost
> > and like I know NOTHING about LC.
> >
>
>

[Mitch Stevens]

As if you're technical.
Let's see, you use Windows, you use Outlook Express.
You're the idiot!
Try Linux... try ELM, try writing code.
A punk like you could never make it in at IBM.

LOSER!
You've taken 'stupid' to a new level ~

Looks like you're home Saturday with no date again.
Too fat to breed, huh?
Thought so.

What an idiot.

Mitch Stevens

"JC Der Koenig" > wrote in message
...
> Learn how to quote, and learn how to use Google.
>
> --
> You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
>
>
> "nanner" > wrote in message
> ...
> >i am impressed that you read every single post on this group. I picture
you
> >as a really fat, Walter Hudson fat, guy stretching to see past the fat
> >rolls and the crumbs and vomit on your bed-sheet toga to read newsgroups
24
> >hours a day.
> >
>
>

[Mitch Stevens]

Rarely, I say, 'RARELY' do we post but when
someone's (like yourself, not well versed technically)
carries on this way, things 'start to happen'
They're happening.

You need to worry, friend.

Keep posting please.
It makes our job much easier.

'Mitch Stevens'


"JC Der Koenig" > wrote in message
...
> That certainly makes me worry.
>
> --
> You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
>
>
> "Mitch Stevens" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
> > He's been track.
> >
>
>

[Mitch Stevens]

Hey Nanner,
He's being tracked.

No worries.. We're with a group financed and supported under
a 'misc' budget of an organization that will become a MAJOR
inconvenience to Mr. JC's life.

Things will start to go 'suddenly go wrong'
He's met his match with us.
I speak for many who are 'members' of this
below surface group of very disturbing people.

He's toast. He'll be disappearing soon.
The guy has been located and we'll keep the grouip updated.

You're right, he's HUUUUUUGE going by prelim photos we've
uptained from another gov't agency working in conjunction with
this effort.

Keep writing; he's almost gone.

'Mitch Stevens'

Ps - notice how much time he has and home much he's online.
He fit the profile to the 'Tee' ~
Every post means another night alone and you can imagine
this person is bitter that society thinks he's such and idiot
and loser... Full blown~
He mirror's his anger and frustration thru this forum.
Very basic of human intelligence, this one ~





"nanner" > wrote in message
...
> i am impressed that you read every single post on this group. I picture
you
> as a really fat, Walter Hudson fat, guy stretching to see past the fat
> rolls and the crumbs and vomit on your bed-sheet toga to read newsgroups
24
> hours a day.
>
>

[FOB]

Go away! JC may be a troll, but he's OUR troll, you are just a nosy
buttinsky.

In ,
Mitch Stevens > stated
| Rarely, I say, 'RARELY' do we post but when
| someone's (like yourself, not well versed technically)
| carries on this way, things 'start to happen'
| They're happening.
|
| You need to worry, friend.
|
| Keep posting please.
| It makes our job much easier.
|
| 'Mitch Stevens'
|
|

[Mitch Stevens]

Group - alt.support.diet.low-carb:

We have tracked the punk 'JC..'

The news I bring is a direct result of many peoples'
efforts in the triangulation of his local.

Being that this person is an corner of the US that is
not the same state their ISP is located, they are committing
'interstate' felonious harassment and abuse.

Since the newsgroup servers reside off the back-bone
of said carrier of this person, each and every transmission
is indeed a violation of recent Internet and US Gov't laws
recently enacted by the Homeland Security.

Just like the other phat guy in Minnesota who was busted
and received 10-years for Internet hacking (and this was
before the new law came into effect Jan 1/2005) punishment
will be harsh, plus we get several minutes before turning person
over to custody with them to completely 'have a wall-to-wall
counseling session with said culprit).

All in all, some consider us the Guardian Angels of the net
and certain gov't agencies, although they will not comment on
said subject here, LOVE us for doing their investigative work
and we're rewarded in 'other ways...' mostly with leniency
and such given the backgrounds of people like, myself, which
is very questionable.

I speak for the people who can't or don't know how.

We got him!!

Mitch Stevens


"JC Der Koenig" > wrote in message
...
> That certainly makes me worry.
>
> --
> You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
>
>
> "Mitch Stevens" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
> > He's been track.
> >
>
>

[Mitch Stevens]

keep writing.


"JC Der Koenig" > wrote in message
...
> You sure talk a lot.
>
> --
> Now **** off. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
> breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen
>
>
> "Mitch Stevens" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Group - alt.support.diet.low-carb:
> >
> > We have tracked the punk 'JC..'
> >
> > The news I bring is a direct result of many peoples'
> > efforts in the triangulation of his local.
> >
> > Being that this person is an corner of the US that is
> > not the same state their ISP is located, they are committing
> > 'interstate' felonious harassment and abuse.
> >
> > Since the newsgroup servers reside off the back-bone
> > of said carrier of this person, each and every transmission
> > is indeed a violation of recent Internet and US Gov't laws
> > recently enacted by the Homeland Security.
> >
> > Just like the other phat guy in Minnesota who was busted
> > and received 10-years for Internet hacking (and this was
> > before the new law came into effect Jan 1/2005) punishment
> > will be harsh, plus we get several minutes before turning person
> > over to custody with them to completely 'have a wall-to-wall
> > counseling session with said culprit).
> >
> > All in all, some consider us the Guardian Angels of the net
> > and certain gov't agencies, although they will not comment on
> > said subject here, LOVE us for doing their investigative work
> > and we're rewarded in 'other ways...' mostly with leniency
> > and such given the backgrounds of people like, myself, which
> > is very questionable.
> >
> > I speak for the people who can't or don't know how.
> >
> > We got him!!
> >
> > Mitch Stevens
> >
> >
> > "JC Der Koenig" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> That certainly makes me worry.
> >>
> >> --
> >> You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
> >>
> >>
> >> "Mitch Stevens" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>
> >>
> >> > He's been track.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

[Mitch Stevens]

Ha.. We were here when it was all text based groups.
Now go wipe your nose, your mommy is calling you for dinner.
Don't breed!

The Internet Fisherman: The email 'is' the bait ~

MS



"FOB" > wrote in message
. com...
> Go away! JC may be a troll, but he's OUR troll, you are just a nosy
> buttinsky.
>
> In ,
> Mitch Stevens > stated
> | Rarely, I say, 'RARELY' do we post but when
> | someone's (like yourself, not well versed technically)
> | carries on this way, things 'start to happen'
> | They're happening.
> |
> | You need to worry, friend.
> |
> | Keep posting please.
> | It makes our job much easier.
> |
> | 'Mitch Stevens'
> |
> |
>
>

[Suze]

Quoting "JC Der Koenig" >:

>That certainly makes me worry.

It's an 'elite' legal group.

[Suze]

Quoting "Mitch Stevens" >:

>Let's see, you use Windows, you use Outlook Express.
>You're the idiot!

>From: "Mitch Stevens" >
>Newsgroups: alt.support.diet.low-carb
>Subject: Re: Sugar Binge/Starting Fitday - everyone was right...
>Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:04:16 -0800
>X-Priority: 3
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441

Hmmm, looks like you're using Outhouse Express too.

ps kudos on the 'your/you're' usage tonight, Bunky

[FOB]

"Don't breed!"

Too late.

I can't believe that someone who has been around for so long is a top
poster. Most of the old timers are adamant bottom posters.



In ,
Mitch Stevens > stated
| Ha.. We were here when it was all text based groups.
| Now go wipe your nose, your mommy is calling you for dinner.
| |
| The Internet Fisherman: The email 'is' the bait ~
|
| MS
|
|
|

[FOB]

Now you're forging JC, that's REALLY cool.

In ,
JC Der Koenig > stated
| This guy is turning out to be right.
|
| I am sorry.
|
| Here's my apology:
|
| I, 'JC', will stop being the complete idiot that I am and insulting
| people.
|
| This stems from a horrible child-hood and an abusive step-father.
| Furthermore, I am very obese, why else would I be here?
| I will contribute and ask the group to forgive what a serious
| idiot and jerk I've been.
|
| I'm gay and I'm not liked (wasn't liked) at school.
| Girls don't like me which is why I'm writing this Saturday night.
| I'm a total loser.
| Big-time.
|
| Thank you and I will cease.
|
| JC
|
| Ps - Mitch is right, IBM would NEVER have me.
| I'm that stupid. Think about it, I can't even get a chick.
| LOSER!
|

[Luna]

Give it up Bunky. And seek professional help for your delusions.

In article >,
"Mitch Stevens" > wrote:

> keep writing.
>
>
> "JC Der Koenig" > wrote in message
> ...
> > You sure talk a lot.
> >
> > --
> > Now **** off. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
> > breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen
> >
> >
> > "Mitch Stevens" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Group - alt.support.diet.low-carb:
> > >
> > > We have tracked the punk 'JC..'
> > >
> > > The news I bring is a direct result of many peoples'
> > > efforts in the triangulation of his local.
> > >
> > > Being that this person is an corner of the US that is
> > > not the same state their ISP is located, they are committing
> > > 'interstate' felonious harassment and abuse.
> > >
> > > Since the newsgroup servers reside off the back-bone
> > > of said carrier of this person, each and every transmission
> > > is indeed a violation of recent Internet and US Gov't laws
> > > recently enacted by the Homeland Security.
> > >
> > > Just like the other phat guy in Minnesota who was busted
> > > and received 10-years for Internet hacking (and this was
> > > before the new law came into effect Jan 1/2005) punishment
> > > will be harsh, plus we get several minutes before turning person
> > > over to custody with them to completely 'have a wall-to-wall
> > > counseling session with said culprit).
> > >
> > > All in all, some consider us the Guardian Angels of the net
> > > and certain gov't agencies, although they will not comment on
> > > said subject here, LOVE us for doing their investigative work
> > > and we're rewarded in 'other ways...' mostly with leniency
> > > and such given the backgrounds of people like, myself, which
> > > is very questionable.
> > >
> > > I speak for the people who can't or don't know how.
> > >
> > > We got him!!
> > >
> > > Mitch Stevens
> > >
> > >
> > > "JC Der Koenig" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >> That certainly makes me worry.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Mitch Stevens" > wrote in message
> > >> ...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > He's been track.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

[TavliGal]

Luna wrote:
>>
>
> That's exactly what I'm talking about when I say some foods cause an
> addiction-like response in some people. And then people are all
> "Bull, food isn't addictive." And I say bull to that. I've been
> addicted to drugs too, and regardless of what's going on with body
> and brain chemistry, it feels like the exact same process. Maybe the
> first couple of hits or bites you get some pleasure from it, then
> it's just a compulsion that has nothing to do with pleasure.
>

Gosh Luna, I haven't a clue as to what you're talking about.
;) Monica

--
Started Jan. 20, 2004
362/197.8/Goal: Till my thighs don't rub together anymore.
http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/tavligirl/my_photos
__________________________________________________ ______
"I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to bear."
- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

[Marengo]

JC Der Koenig wrote:
|| You're the same person.
|| Got scared, obviously.
|| We have the trace's and IP stack info.
|| Too late to change names ~
|| Keep writing.
||
|| MS

Um, you screwed up an used the wrong fake signature with the wrong fake
posting ID. You might want to be a bit more careful, phony Mitch/phony JC.
--
Peter
Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

[Marengo]

JC Der Koenig wrote:
|| There are some weird things starting to happen.
||
|| I am sorry for being offensive and will ensure I am
|| more polite.
||
|| Mitch: Thanks for helping me what a phat idiot and asshole
|| I am.
||
|| I will change.
||
|| Sincerely,
|| JC
||
||
|| "Mitch Stevens" > wrote in message
|| ...
||| Don't worry about this 'JC' guy..
||| He's a full blown idiot. We've found his local.
||| I'm not part of this group but someone who actually
||| works with an 'elite' legal group and have been able
||| to extract Giganews' database.
||| He's been track.
|||
||| We'll be taking him down soon.
||| He's abused other newsgroups, as well.
||| Turns out he's a huge zit-filled, phat phuck of a punk youngster
||| who incidentally has no social life and can't get a girlfriend.
|||
||| So consider the source, next time this yellow-belly coward of
||| a puke posts.
||| He's a complete waste of time and we've got him.
||| He thought he was safe posting via an 'anon' poster, but nothing
||| is anonymous anymore on the net.
|||
||| Also! he uses multiple 'domain' names in his postings. A true sign
||| of a punk-coward -- He's fat, he's got zits, he's got no girlfriend
||| and
||| is a complete loser.
|||
||| This person could not face is accuser due to the fact
||| he's been beat up in school and is an outcast.
||| You know the type.. and karma will surely also take him
||| down.
|||
||| JC, don't even think about using IBM as a domain.
||| You're an insult to the co.
||| You'd never get in any legit co. without some kind of bull****ting.
||| You're that pathetic.
||| Coward -- Nothing but an idiot and a keyboard attacker.
|||
||| You know when we catch you, you'll be like all the other
||| idiots we've brought down: 'Oh please, I didn't mean any harm'
||| Get your phat ass out of the house and stop wasting people's
||| time on Mommy's Internet paid for services and system.
|||
||| Major loser!
|||
||| 'Mitch Stevens'
||| "JC Der Koenig" > wrote in message
||| ...
|||| You might as well give up if you can't figure out what carbs are,
|||| what foods they are in, and keep them out of your diet.
||||
|||| --
|||| You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
||||
||||
|||| "nanner" > wrote in message
|||| ...
||||| I was eating way too much food. I had portion creep and was
||||| eating cheese frequently as a snack. I have maintained my
||||| weightloss but was confused as to why I wasn't losing anymore.
|||||
||||| I really want to figure this out, not give up and reach my goal.
|||||
||||| I don't know if I should be trying to restart at Induction (i do
||||| atkins) or if I should investigate another plan that works a bit
||||| diffrently.
|||||
||||| I did South Beach when the book came out. I found the low-fat
||||| cheese thing to be a turn off and I had trouble controlling
||||| myself since some whole grain breads and fruits and oatmeal were
||||| allowed. But I did have decent results, about 14lbs lost - i just
||||| found I was obsessing about my next bowl of oatmeal (with lots of
||||| raisins and cinnamon) LOL
|||||
||||| I need to learn about calories. I need to watch my fat intake I
||||| guess. I will track with fitday. I had a really bad crash
||||| yesterday and binged on sugar. I ate....ok, get ready for this:
|||||
||||| 2 cupcakes, a pack of M&Ms, 2 mini-candy bars (like halloween), a
||||| nutterbutter cookie, frosting in a cup mixed with shredded
||||| coconut, all the leftover corned beef & cabbage, Take 5 candy
||||| bar, full size Almond Joy, cheese danish & marble pound cake &
||||| enourmous choc. chip cookie (all from starbucks).
|||||
||||| That was my food for the day - not normal, I was in binge out of
||||| control mode.
|||||
||||| Had a normal dinner. So - I felt ready to quit, or maybe give up
||||| LC and find a new plan. I have such sugar addiction problems - I
||||| always end up binging. I have come so far and am miserable now. I
||||| feel like I am lost and like I know NOTHING about LC.

BUnky, while I am certainly no fan of JC's, you might want to stop
impersonating him and/or others. It's expressly forbidden by the Usenet
rules of etiquette, and if JC were to report it you could lose your IP's
newsgroup privileges. You also open yourself up to civil action when you
try to make the public think that you are someone else and say slanderous
things in that capacity.

Just a word the wise; what you are doing is unfunny and not very smart.
Don't try to get down in the mud with JC; you'll lose the mud wrestling
contest in the end.

--
Peter
Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

[Suze]

Quoting "nanner" >:

>I was eating way too much food. I had portion creep and was eating cheese
>frequently as a snack.
>
>I have maintained my weightloss but was confused as
>to why I wasn't losing anymore.
>
>I really want to figure this out, not give up and reach my goal.

1) If you don't have a food scale, get one. Should be digital, have a
zero/tare function*, and weigh in both ounces and grams. You can pick
one up at Walmart (Good Cook is the brand I have and it works rather
well).

*this allows you to add multiple items in one dish easily.

2) Plan your meals out whenever possible. Don't just let them happen.
At the calorie level you need to be at to lose weight, that means
about 4 - 300 cal meals a day. Or 3 - 400 cal meals. Or something
like that. What I used to like to do at that level was to eat a
breakfast and lunch at about 200-300 cal, then a dinner for the
difference to get me to 1000 cal.

typical was - breakfast- 1 cup cottage (you can add cinnamon and
splenda to it for variety), or 3 hard boiled eggs

lunch - salad with lots of greens (for volume), 2-3 oz lean
meat/seafood/fowl of some sort and some cheese or egg. About 70 cal
of light dressing and lemon or pickle juice used to stretch out the
dressing (works very well tastewise. Maybe a bit of diced pickle or
some banana peppers.

or a small piece of salmon and a side salad or cup of steamed veg.

dinner- meat/fowl/seafood and veg.

With the difference, I'd have room for a ~300 cal snack.

typical snack beverages were:

o 8oz. carb countdown chocolate milk
o 4 oz. red wine
o jigger of hard liquor w/diet drink
(all about 100 cal)

and snack eats:

o 2 oz cheese
o 1 oz nuts
o two crispbreads w/ very thin layer of cream cheese (weigh/measure)
o 1/2-1 cup cottage cheese
o salad with one serving of light dressing and one ounce grated cheese
(all about 200 cal)

desperation foods - all under 100 cal - pick only one when necessary
(not every night) and drink large glass of water first, if you're
still hungry afterwards, butch up and take a long walk):

o spicy dill pickles/banana peppers
o lots of lettuce with small amount of light dressing (70 cal
worth)stretched by adding a couple of tablespoons of brine from
pickle/pepper jar. Or lemon juice.
o sugar free jello

You may like different foods than the examples I provided. My point
is plan it out; have several 'blocks' you can put into rotation.

Always have a plan.

3) Accept the fact that you're going to be hungry sometimes when
trying to reduce to lower weights/bodyfat and come to terms with it.
Butch up, take a walk or something, pursue that hobby...

4) Consider eating at (current) maintenance calories one day a week to
keep your sanity and metabolism up. This is sometimes helpful at
lower weights. For you, that's likely somewhere between 1600-1900
cal. In my case, I ate at about 1200-1300 for the last 20 pounds
(instead of 1400 per 'plan') and banked the difference for a 'refeed'
day on the weekend.

#4 is very much a YMMV thing and I recommend that you keep your carbs
low on the first few refeeds if you try it.

If that works out well and you can control yourself, you *might*
consider allowing yourself up to 60-80 carbs or so on the refeed day.
For me that sometimes ended up being two-three slices of homemade thin
crust pizza.

(for rationale google 'leptin' + 'refeeds' + 'lyle')

5) keep track of average calories for the week (7 day running average)
and plan to stay on track for your average for the week as opposed to
obsessing about each day.

6) try not to eat carbs alone. What works well for me is to build a
meal/snack around a protein choice of some sort.

>I don't know if I should be trying to restart at Induction (i do atkins) or
>if I should investigate another plan that works a bit diffrently.

I'd restart.
Strict induction min. 7-10 days.

>I did South Beach when the book came out. I found the low-fat cheese thing
>to be a turn off and I had trouble controlling myself since some whole grain
>breads and fruits and oatmeal were allowed. But I did have decent results,
>about 14lbs lost - i just found I was obsessing about my next bowl of
>oatmeal (with lots of raisins and cinnamon) LOL
>
>I need to learn about calories. I need to watch my fat intake I guess.

Like Roger said, it's mainly important insomuch as it would impact
your total calories. and at the level you need to be at, it will
somewhat.

IIRC, I usually ended up at 40-50% cal from fat at that calorie range
and that seemed to work quite well.

[snip]

[Suze]

Quoting "JC Der Koenig" >:
>"Suze" <suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious> wrote in message
...
>> Quoting "JC Der Koenig" >:
>>
>>>That certainly makes me worry.
>>
>> It's an 'elite' legal group.
>
>'Elite' just doesn't seem to pack the same punch these days...

Fruits of the widely embraced 'everyone is unique in their own speshul
way' philosophy, no doubt...

[JC Der Koening]

Thanks, man --

Cheers,
JC, er, I mean, Mitch ~


"FOB" > wrote in message
. com...
> Now you're forging JC, that's REALLY cool.
>
> In ,
> JC Der Koenig > stated
> | This guy is turning out to be right.
> |
> | I am sorry.
> |
> | Here's my apology:
> |
> | I, 'JC', will stop being the complete idiot that I am and insulting
> | people.
> |
> | This stems from a horrible child-hood and an abusive step-father.
> | Furthermore, I am very obese, why else would I be here?
> | I will contribute and ask the group to forgive what a serious
> | idiot and jerk I've been.
> |
> | I'm gay and I'm not liked (wasn't liked) at school.
> | Girls don't like me which is why I'm writing this Saturday night.
> | I'm a total loser.
> | Big-time.
> |
> | Thank you and I will cease.
> |
> | JC
> |
> | Ps - Mitch is right, IBM would NEVER have me.
> | I'm that stupid. Think about it, I can't even get a chick.
> | LOSER!
> |
>
>

[JC Der Koening]

Well done!!
....it's always refreshing to see so many did pay attention
in skool.

Niiiiiiice!

JC

"... 911 is good; but using an area code in front of 911 is better!!"


"Suze" <suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious> wrote in message
...
> Quoting "JC Der Koenig" >:
> >"Suze" <suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious> wrote in message
> ...
> >> Quoting "JC Der Koenig" >:
> >>
> >>>That certainly makes me worry.
> >>
> >> It's an 'elite' legal group.
> >
> >'Elite' just doesn't seem to pack the same punch these days...
>
> Fruits of the widely embraced 'everyone is unique in their own speshul
> way' philosophy, no doubt...
>

[JC Der Koening]

You must be next of kin to JC.
I always win.
He's toned it WAAAY down..
I've had an effect and once again, I'm standing.

He's very phat and moves slowly.
I think you should re-think your statement.
Funny though, turns out there's a lot of phat male
phucks in this group, like yourselves, who like
the abuse of an anonymous poster.

This is what happens when cousins marry.
People like you bring NO VALUE to this group!
HA!

Bunch of punks with no dates, and here's another one.
How many zits do you have punk?

JC and Mitch!!


"Marengo" > wrote in message
news:PS6%d.2085$%d7.1469@lakeread03...
> JC Der Koenig wrote:
> || There are some weird things starting to happen.
> ||
> || I am sorry for being offensive and will ensure I am
> || more polite.
> ||
> || Mitch: Thanks for helping me what a phat idiot and asshole
> || I am.
> ||
> || I will change.
> ||
> || Sincerely,
> || JC
> ||
> ||
> || "Mitch Stevens" > wrote in message
> || ...
> ||| Don't worry about this 'JC' guy..
> ||| He's a full blown idiot. We've found his local.
> ||| I'm not part of this group but someone who actually
> ||| works with an 'elite' legal group and have been able
> ||| to extract Giganews' database.
> ||| He's been track.
> |||
> ||| We'll be taking him down soon.
> ||| He's abused other newsgroups, as well.
> ||| Turns out he's a huge zit-filled, phat phuck of a punk youngster
> ||| who incidentally has no social life and can't get a girlfriend.
> |||
> ||| So consider the source, next time this yellow-belly coward of
> ||| a puke posts.
> ||| He's a complete waste of time and we've got him.
> ||| He thought he was safe posting via an 'anon' poster, but nothing
> ||| is anonymous anymore on the net.
> |||
> ||| Also! he uses multiple 'domain' names in his postings. A true sign
> ||| of a punk-coward -- He's fat, he's got zits, he's got no girlfriend
> ||| and
> ||| is a complete loser.
> |||
> ||| This person could not face is accuser due to the fact
> ||| he's been beat up in school and is an outcast.
> ||| You know the type.. and karma will surely also take him
> ||| down.
> |||
> ||| JC, don't even think about using IBM as a domain.
> ||| You're an insult to the co.
> ||| You'd never get in any legit co. without some kind of bull****ting.
> ||| You're that pathetic.
> ||| Coward -- Nothing but an idiot and a keyboard attacker.
> |||
> ||| You know when we catch you, you'll be like all the other
> ||| idiots we've brought down: 'Oh please, I didn't mean any harm'
> ||| Get your phat ass out of the house and stop wasting people's
> ||| time on Mommy's Internet paid for services and system.
> |||
> ||| Major loser!
> |||
> ||| 'Mitch Stevens'
> ||| "JC Der Koenig" > wrote in message
> ||| ...
> |||| You might as well give up if you can't figure out what carbs are,
> |||| what foods they are in, and keep them out of your diet.
> ||||
> |||| --
> |||| You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
> ||||
> ||||
> |||| "nanner" > wrote in message
> |||| ...
> ||||| I was eating way too much food. I had portion creep and was
> ||||| eating cheese frequently as a snack. I have maintained my
> ||||| weightloss but was confused as to why I wasn't losing anymore.
> |||||
> ||||| I really want to figure this out, not give up and reach my goal.
> |||||
> ||||| I don't know if I should be trying to restart at Induction (i do
> ||||| atkins) or if I should investigate another plan that works a bit
> ||||| diffrently.
> |||||
> ||||| I did South Beach when the book came out. I found the low-fat
> ||||| cheese thing to be a turn off and I had trouble controlling
> ||||| myself since some whole grain breads and fruits and oatmeal were
> ||||| allowed. But I did have decent results, about 14lbs lost - i just
> ||||| found I was obsessing about my next bowl of oatmeal (with lots of
> ||||| raisins and cinnamon) LOL
> |||||
> ||||| I need to learn about calories. I need to watch my fat intake I
> ||||| guess. I will track with fitday. I had a really bad crash
> ||||| yesterday and binged on sugar. I ate....ok, get ready for this:
> |||||
> ||||| 2 cupcakes, a pack of M&Ms, 2 mini-candy bars (like halloween), a
> ||||| nutterbutter cookie, frosting in a cup mixed with shredded
> ||||| coconut, all the leftover corned beef & cabbage, Take 5 candy
> ||||| bar, full size Almond Joy, cheese danish & marble pound cake &
> ||||| enourmous choc. chip cookie (all from starbucks).
> |||||
> ||||| That was my food for the day - not normal, I was in binge out of
> ||||| control mode.
> |||||
> ||||| Had a normal dinner. So - I felt ready to quit, or maybe give up
> ||||| LC and find a new plan. I have such sugar addiction problems - I
> ||||| always end up binging. I have come so far and am miserable now. I
> ||||| feel like I am lost and like I know NOTHING about LC.
>
> BUnky, while I am certainly no fan of JC's, you might want to stop
> impersonating him and/or others. It's expressly forbidden by the Usenet
> rules of etiquette, and if JC were to report it you could lose your IP's
> newsgroup privileges. You also open yourself up to civil action when you
> try to make the public think that you are someone else and say slanderous
> things in that capacity.
>
> Just a word the wise; what you are doing is unfunny and not very smart.
> Don't try to get down in the mud with JC; you'll lose the mud wrestling
> contest in the end.
>
> --
> Peter
> Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo
>
>

[Tori M.]

"JC Der Koening" > wrote in message
...
> You must be next of kin to JC.
> I always win.
> He's toned it WAAAY down..
> I've had an effect and once again, I'm standing.
>
> He's very phat and moves slowly.
> I think you should re-think your statement.
> Funny though, turns out there's a lot of phat male
> phucks in this group, like yourselves, who like
> the abuse of an anonymous poster.

Odd I was thinking it was quite sad that people phind that they need to use
the word phat or phish or phuck when there is a perphectly good way to spell
them that is even published in a dictionary.

Unamused

Tori

--
Bonnie 3/02
Xavier 10/04

Goal 1- lose 20 lbs By May 1st (6# to go)

[Cheri]

Idiot.

--
Cheri

Mitch Stevens wrote in message >...
>keep writing.

[Marengo]

JC Der Koening wrote:
|| You must be next of kin to JC.
|| I always win.
|| He's toned it WAAAY down..
|| I've had an effect and once again, I'm standing.
||
|| He's very phat and moves slowly.
|| I think you should re-think your statement.
|| Funny though, turns out there's a lot of phat male
|| phucks in this group, like yourselves, who like
|| the abuse of an anonymous poster.
||
|| This is what happens when cousins marry.
|| People like you bring NO VALUE to this group!
|| HA!
||
|| Bunch of punks with no dates, and here's another one.
|| How many zits do you have punk?
||
|| JC and Mitch!!
||
||
|| "Marengo" > wrote in message
|| news:PS6%d.2085$%d7.1469@lakeread03...
||| JC Der Koenig wrote:
||||| There are some weird things starting to happen.
|||||
||||| I am sorry for being offensive and will ensure I am
||||| more polite.
|||||
||||| Mitch: Thanks for helping me what a phat idiot and asshole
||||| I am.
|||||
||||| I will change.
|||||
||||| Sincerely,
||||| JC
|||||
|||||
||||| "Mitch Stevens" > wrote in message
||||| ...
|||||| Don't worry about this 'JC' guy..
|||||| He's a full blown idiot. We've found his local.
|||||| I'm not part of this group but someone who actually
|||||| works with an 'elite' legal group and have been able
|||||| to extract Giganews' database.
|||||| He's been track.
||||||
|||||| We'll be taking him down soon.
|||||| He's abused other newsgroups, as well.
|||||| Turns out he's a huge zit-filled, phat phuck of a punk youngster
|||||| who incidentally has no social life and can't get a girlfriend.
||||||
|||||| So consider the source, next time this yellow-belly coward of
|||||| a puke posts.
|||||| He's a complete waste of time and we've got him.
|||||| He thought he was safe posting via an 'anon' poster, but nothing
|||||| is anonymous anymore on the net.
||||||
|||||| Also! he uses multiple 'domain' names in his postings. A true
|||||| sign of a punk-coward -- He's fat, he's got zits, he's got no
|||||| girlfriend and
|||||| is a complete loser.
||||||
|||||| This person could not face is accuser due to the fact
|||||| he's been beat up in school and is an outcast.
|||||| You know the type.. and karma will surely also take him
|||||| down.
||||||
|||||| JC, don't even think about using IBM as a domain.
|||||| You're an insult to the co.
|||||| You'd never get in any legit co. without some kind of
|||||| bull****ting. You're that pathetic.
|||||| Coward -- Nothing but an idiot and a keyboard attacker.
||||||
|||||| You know when we catch you, you'll be like all the other
|||||| idiots we've brought down: 'Oh please, I didn't mean any harm'
|||||| Get your phat ass out of the house and stop wasting people's
|||||| time on Mommy's Internet paid for services and system.
||||||
|||||| Major loser!
||||||
|||||| 'Mitch Stevens'
|||||| "JC Der Koenig" > wrote in message
|||||| ...
||||||| You might as well give up if you can't figure out what carbs
||||||| are, what foods they are in, and keep them out of your diet.
|||||||
||||||| --
||||||| You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
|||||||
|||||||
||||||| "nanner" > wrote in message
||||||| ...
|||||||| I was eating way too much food. I had portion creep and was
|||||||| eating cheese frequently as a snack. I have maintained my
|||||||| weightloss but was confused as to why I wasn't losing anymore.
||||||||
|||||||| I really want to figure this out, not give up and reach my
|||||||| goal.
||||||||
|||||||| I don't know if I should be trying to restart at Induction (i
|||||||| do atkins) or if I should investigate another plan that works
|||||||| a bit diffrently.
||||||||
|||||||| I did South Beach when the book came out. I found the low-fat
|||||||| cheese thing to be a turn off and I had trouble controlling
|||||||| myself since some whole grain breads and fruits and oatmeal
|||||||| were allowed. But I did have decent results, about 14lbs lost
|||||||| - i just found I was obsessing about my next bowl of oatmeal
|||||||| (with lots of raisins and cinnamon) LOL
||||||||
|||||||| I need to learn about calories. I need to watch my fat intake I
|||||||| guess. I will track with fitday. I had a really bad crash
|||||||| yesterday and binged on sugar. I ate....ok, get ready for this:
||||||||
|||||||| 2 cupcakes, a pack of M&Ms, 2 mini-candy bars (like
|||||||| halloween), a nutterbutter cookie, frosting in a cup mixed
|||||||| with shredded coconut, all the leftover corned beef & cabbage,
|||||||| Take 5 candy bar, full size Almond Joy, cheese danish & marble
|||||||| pound cake & enourmous choc. chip cookie (all from starbucks).
||||||||
|||||||| That was my food for the day - not normal, I was in binge out
|||||||| of control mode.
||||||||
|||||||| Had a normal dinner. So - I felt ready to quit, or maybe give
|||||||| up LC and find a new plan. I have such sugar addiction
|||||||| problems - I always end up binging. I have come so far and am
|||||||| miserable now. I feel like I am lost and like I know NOTHING
|||||||| about LC.
|||
||| BUnky, while I am certainly no fan of JC's, you might want to stop
||| impersonating him and/or others. It's expressly forbidden by the
||| Usenet rules of etiquette, and if JC were to report it you could
||| lose your IP's newsgroup privileges. You also open yourself up to
||| civil action when you try to make the public think that you are
||| someone else and say slanderous things in that capacity.
|||
||| Just a word the wise; what you are doing is unfunny and not very
||| smart. Don't try to get down in the mud with JC; you'll lose the
||| mud wrestling contest in the end.
|||
||| --
||| Peter
||| Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

All I can say is, you just showed yourslef to be far worse than he is. JC
is annoying, but at least he's sane. You're a very sick person, and just
making an ass of yourself in a public forum.

I won't be seeing any more of your posts, since I'm adding your phony id's
to my killfile now. Flame away.

--
Peter
Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

[diane]

sounds like you need a fresh approach. I bought the fitday software- took
up a new activity and went clothes shopping. A new awareness helped renew my
commitment.

Why so many sweets? are they in the house? a sale you couldn't resist? are
you bored? Are you getting all your nutrients? getting enough sleep and
exercise?

After all you've been through, figure out why your doing this to yourself.
nothing tastes as good as how I feel-



"nanner" > wrote in message
...
>I was eating way too much food. I had portion creep and was eating cheese
>frequently as a snack. I have maintained my weightloss but was confused as
>to why I wasn't losing anymore.
>
> I really want to figure this out, not give up and reach my goal.
>
> I don't know if I should be trying to restart at Induction (i do atkins)
> or if I should investigate another plan that works a bit diffrently.
>
> I did South Beach when the book came out. I found the low-fat cheese thing
> to be a turn off and I had trouble controlling myself since some whole
> grain breads and fruits and oatmeal were allowed. But I did have decent
> results, about 14lbs lost - i just found I was obsessing about my next
> bowl of oatmeal (with lots of raisins and cinnamon) LOL
>
> I need to learn about calories. I need to watch my fat intake I guess. I
> will track with fitday. I had a really bad crash yesterday and binged on
> sugar. I ate....ok, get ready for this:
>
> 2 cupcakes, a pack of M&Ms, 2 mini-candy bars (like halloween), a
> nutterbutter cookie, frosting in a cup mixed with shredded coconut, all
> the leftover corned beef & cabbage, Take 5 candy bar, full size Almond
> Joy, cheese danish & marble pound cake & enourmous choc. chip cookie (all
> from starbucks).
>
> That was my food for the day - not normal, I was in binge out of control
> mode.
>
> Had a normal dinner. So - I felt ready to quit, or maybe give up LC and
> find a new plan. I have such sugar addiction problems - I always end up
> binging. I have come so far and am miserable now. I feel like I am lost
> and like I know NOTHING about LC.
>

[diane]

it definitely is easier without little kids around to stress me out. I don't
even like my husband asking what I had for lunch!

figure out what your triggers are to deal with them. Sweets can be kept at
my house easily- but don't leave them out on the counter.

A crumb on a dish is more of a risk for me than a whole cake. Former member
of clean plate club.

Diane


"Saffire" > wrote in message
.. .
> In article >, says...
>> I was eating way too much food. I had portion creep and was eating cheese
>> frequently as a snack. I have maintained my weightloss but was confused
>> as
>> to why I wasn't losing anymore.
>>
>> I really want to figure this out, not give up and reach my goal.
>>
>> I don't know if I should be trying to restart at Induction (i do atkins)
>> or
>> if I should investigate another plan that works a bit diffrently.
>
> I recommend going back to induction, at least for a few days until
> ketosis kicks back in and the carb-cravings subside.
>
>> 2 cupcakes, a pack of M&Ms, 2 mini-candy bars (like halloween), a
>> nutterbutter cookie, frosting in a cup mixed with shredded coconut, all
>> the
>> leftover corned beef & cabbage, Take 5 candy bar, full size Almond Joy,
>> cheese danish & marble pound cake & enourmous choc. chip cookie (all from
>> starbucks).
>>
>> That was my food for the day - not normal, I was in binge out of control
>> mode.
>
> Yeah, that's a pretty big crash, all right. Did something else going on
> in your life precipitate it? We don't need to know that, but it's
> something you might want to explore. Old habits in response to stress
> die hard.
>
>> Had a normal dinner. So - I felt ready to quit, or maybe give up LC and
>> find
>> a new plan. I have such sugar addiction problems - I always end up
>> binging.
>> I have come so far and am miserable now. I feel like I am lost and like I
>> know NOTHING about LC.
>
> That's temporary, like a bruise. Hurts like hell at first, but the pain
> and discoloration usually subside in a day or so. Try not to dwell on
> the fall; instead, focus on a PLAN to pick yourself up and get right
> back on the wagon. Kind of like when a professional skater falls during
> a triple axel -- nothing you can do about it once it's happened, so just
> get up and keep going.
>
> Of course, it's easy for me to say, because I don't have small children
> or a husband/partner around to tempt me. My adult son lives with me,
> but he usually fixes his own food and keeps most of it in his room. He
> keeps making Pop-tarts lately, which smell good, but do not tempt me.
> The only time I had a big-time temptation was when he baked some
> Pillsbury dinner rolls -- DAMN they smelled heavenly! I had to go in my
> room and shut the door :-) He used to make them a lot, but now that I
> think about it, he hasn't made them in a long time since I told him
> about how tempted I was. What a sweetheart! He tries to eat healthy,
> but he's been eating a LOT of junk food in the last couple of weeks as
> he's been cramming for exams.
>
> It's a commitment, to be sure. It really DOES require a change in
> mindset, which could take some time. I started out gung-ho to do
> Atkins, but did not think of it as a permanent change in lifestyle until
> about a month later when I realized how much better I felt and how easy
> it was to do compared to any other diet I had ever tried. As I said in
> a previous post, it's not the "thin" part that motivates me, it's the
> FEELING BETTER part. Maybe you need to think about WHY you want to lose
> weight and what it would take to make it a priority.
>
> Do you weigh and measure your foods? I keep track of EVERYTYHING I eat,
> and the very process of doing that has made me SOOOO much more aware of
> the nutritional value of foods in general. Going back to pre-low-carb,
> whenever I gained a lot of weight, it usually coincided with my
> deliberately NOT wanting to know -- I didn't want to know what I weighed
> and I didn't want to know how many calories or how much fat was in
> anything I ate. Yeah, 6 raspberry-cream-filled candy & cookie frogs
> from the Danish bakery were good, but they were probably about 1500
> calories EACH. I didn't even LIKE them THAT much, but I ate them all in
> a day, anyway -- more than once. Didn't know, didn't CARE. I CARED,
> but it was more of a matter of almost HYSTERICAL denial and a battle
> with the more rebellious side of me. My inner-child and I argued about
> "food" all the time, and the kid usually won. I sometimes ate 6 Kit-Kat
> bars in a row, too (six was a frequent binge number of "servings" of
> sweet stuff for me). It was really more of a PUNISHMENT of myself than
> a treat, considering how much I stressed out over it, even through all
> the denial. I can't IMAGINE ever doing that again because I simply know
> too much about the nutritional value of food now to ever justify it to
> myself again, no matter HOW much I want to deny it. I'm not saying it
> WON'T happen eventually, but since my mindset about food HAS changed, I
> think it's much less likely. Sometimes it just takes time to develop
> different attitudes about how and why we eat at certain times.
>
> --
> Saffire
> 205/142/125 - 5'1.5"
> Atkins since 6/14/03
> Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

[Lisa]

"Jennifer" > wrote in message
...
> Don't let a lapse become a collapse.

I will have to remember this. Very good advice, well said.

Lisa

[Bunky42]

Suze wrote:
> Quoting "Mitch Stevens" >:
>
>
>>Let's see, you use Windows, you use Outlook Express.
>>You're the idiot!
>
>
>>From: "Mitch Stevens" >
>>Newsgroups: alt.support.diet.low-carb
>>Subject: Re: Sugar Binge/Starting Fitday - everyone was right...
>>Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:04:16 -0800
>>X-Priority: 3
>>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437
>>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
>
>
> Hmmm, looks like you're using Outhouse Express too.
>
> ps kudos on the 'your/you're' usage tonight, Bunky
>
Ahhhhh NO! and I use thunderbird anyway - moron

--


FAQ: A Beginner's Guide to LowCarb Living

GENERAL QUESTIONS
1a. What is the purpose of alt.support.diet.low-carb?


To provide practical advice, emotional support, and encouragement to
those who wish to improve their health, appearance, and/or mood levels
through a low carbohydrate program. The name of the group,
alt.support.diet.low-carb (here after referred to as a.s.d.l-c) is
somewhat unfortunate because the word "diet" is often interpreted as "a
temporary regimen that's somehow expected to lead to permanent weight
loss," rather than its original meaning of "how one eats."

The membership of a.s.d.l-c encourages open discussions, we encourage
people to participate but request that a tone of civility be maintained
at all times. Disagreements are fine, but attacks, flame wars, or
arguments that are between individuals are better saved for the more
appropriate venue of email.

The internet has a subset of people that attempt to boost their self
esteem by belittling people around them.
Some people call it "flaming" but in reality it's just idiots showing
their asses in public.

[Bunky42]

JC Der Koenig wrote:
> LOL
>


--


FAQ: A Beginner's Guide to LowCarb Living

GENERAL QUESTIONS
1a. What is the purpose of alt.support.diet.low-carb?


To provide practical advice, emotional support, and encouragement to
those who wish to improve their health, appearance, and/or mood levels
through a low carbohydrate program. The name of the group,
alt.support.diet.low-carb (here after referred to as a.s.d.l-c) is
somewhat unfortunate because the word "diet" is often interpreted as "a
temporary regimen that's somehow expected to lead to permanent weight
loss," rather than its original meaning of "how one eats."

The membership of a.s.d.l-c encourages open discussions, we encourage
people to participate but request that a tone of civility be maintained
at all times. Disagreements are fine, but attacks, flame wars, or
arguments that are between individuals are better saved for the more
appropriate venue of email.

The internet has a subset of people that attempt to boost their self
esteem by belittling people around them.
Some people call it "flaming" but in reality it's just idiots showing
their asses in public.

[Doug Freyburger]

nanner wrote:
>
> I was eating way too much food. I had portion creep and was eating
cheese
> frequently as a snack. I have maintained my weightloss but was
confused as
> to why I wasn't losing anymore.

Portion control is a good idea. As we lose our caloric
needs drop.

> I don't know if I should be trying to restart at Induction (i do
atkins) or
> if I should investigate another plan that works a bit diffrently.

Given what you describe below, you very much need the
lessons of Atkins.

> I did South Beach when the book came out. I found the low-fat cheese
thing
> to be a turn off and I had trouble controlling myself since some
whole grain
> breads and fruits and oatmeal were allowed.

You found a plan that gave you permission to eat specific
foods, so you ate those specific foods. As a result you
have lost control. Check. Consider the food intolerance
half of Atkins - If a specific food causes you to losr
control you need to *avoid* that specific food from here
on, not find a plan that gives you permission to trigger
a binge.

> But I did have decent results,
> about 14lbs lost - i just found I was obsessing about my next bowl of

> oatmeal (with lots of raisins and cinnamon) LOL

Right. Sometimes there's more than just your current
loss rate. Can you sustain being out of control as
long as you are losing? You didn't sustain, you
binged.

> I need to learn about calories.

Okay, but if you fail to learn the important lesson
you are going to face this binge again and again and
again.

The binge was triggered by something. It's something
you need to isolate and then you need to avoid it.

Think about what you ate - low fat cheese, whole
grain bread, certain fruits, oatmeal. At least one
of the items on the list is a problem food for you.
Eat it again in the future and you'll binge again,
and again, and again, until you fall completely off
plan or you learn avoidance. Switching to SBD will
just give you permission to eat the specific problem
food and trigger more binges at this point.

I think what you need to do is several days of
Induction to clear the cravings and get back on an
even keel. Then return to your CCLL as normal.
In a few weeks, try some experiments. One week
try only the fruits you had before the binge. If
they don't trigger craving they get added to your
list of safe foods. If they do trigger cravings
they are definition binge trigger suspects. Then in
a different week try just the oatmeal. Same do/don't
on the cravings. Then in a different week try just
whole grain bread. Same do/don't on the cravings.
Do it one item at a time the way it says in the
Atkins directions, and you'll learn which one is
the problem.

Once you know your problem food you will need to
avoid it forever. My problems foods are anything
with wheat and anything with sugar alcohols. I
don't care what nonsense people tell me about eating
those problem foods in moderation, it's a load of
crap. Most likely one of those suspects is what
triggered your binge.

> I need to watch my fat intake I guess.

Nothing in the rest of your post suggests this in
the least. To me it seems like a knee-jerk reaction.
Something happened and you want to apply a pat
answer. But the answer is in the isolation process
of Atkins not in random fat reduction when the
foods that triggered the binge aren't high fat foods.

> 2 cupcakes, a pack of M&Ms, 2 mini-candy bars (like halloween), a
> nutterbutter cookie, frosting in a cup mixed with shredded coconut,
all the
> leftover corned beef & cabbage, Take 5 candy bar, full size Almond
Joy,
> cheese danish & marble pound cake & enourmous choc. chip cookie (all
from
> starbucks).
>
> That was my food for the day - not normal, I was in binge out of
control
> mode.

That's a binge alright. You need to figure out the
trigger so you don't repeat it. You don't need to
reduce fat which isn't what triggered it. You don't
need to switch to a plan that will give you
permission to eat your trigger foods again and again.

> Had a normal dinner. So - I felt ready to quit, or maybe give up LC
and find
> a new plan. I have such sugar addiction problems - I always end up
binging.
> I have come so far and am miserable now. I feel like I am lost and
like I
> know NOTHING about LC.

The isolation feature of Atkins. Adding one food at a time
and gauging your body's reaction to it. Learning binge
triggers and forever avoiding them after discovery. I
think that's what you've missed.

On Atkins triggering a binge is a vistory. Seriously.
If, and only if, you added one food at a time so you
know what triggered the binge. If, and only if, you
learn to avoid that food from then on. Switch to a
plan that let's you eat your triggers, and you're screwed.

Please don't use my personal examples of trigger foods:
wheat and sugar alcohols. Other folks' triggers aren't
your triggers. Use the process that I used to learn
your own triggers.

[nanner]

"Doug Freyburger" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> nanner wrote:
>>
>> I was eating way too much food. I had portion creep and was eating
> cheese
>> frequently as a snack. I have maintained my weightloss but was
> confused as
>> to why I wasn't losing anymore.
>
> Portion control is a good idea. As we lose our caloric
> needs drop.
>
>> I don't know if I should be trying to restart at Induction (i do
> atkins) or
>> if I should investigate another plan that works a bit diffrently.
>
> Given what you describe below, you very much need the
> lessons of Atkins.

you only know me from this post. After trying South Beach for a short period
and having problems I went back to Atkins ( which I had done for years
before i had kids) I tried south beach because i was nursing and thought it
would be ok fo rmy body. Back on Atkins I lost another 40 lbs but just
recently I am having problems.

>
>> I did South Beach when the book came out. I found the low-fat cheese
> thing
>> to be a turn off and I had trouble controlling myself since some
> whole grain
>> breads and fruits and oatmeal were allowed.
>
> You found a plan that gave you permission to eat specific
> foods, so you ate those specific foods. As a result you
> have lost control. Check. Consider the food intolerance
> half of Atkins - If a specific food causes you to losr
> control you need to *avoid* that specific food from here
> on, not find a plan that gives you permission to trigger
> a binge.
>

again - i said i tried that plan a year ago, i've since moved on - it wasn't
for me.

>> But I did have decent results,
>> about 14lbs lost - i just found I was obsessing about my next bowl of
>
>> oatmeal (with lots of raisins and cinnamon) LOL
>
> Right. Sometimes there's more than just your current
> loss rate. Can you sustain being out of control as
> long as you are losing? You didn't sustain, you
> binged.
>
>> I need to learn about calories.
>
> Okay, but if you fail to learn the important lesson
> you are going to face this binge again and again and
> again.
>
> The binge was triggered by something. It's something
> you need to isolate and then you need to avoid it.
>
> Think about what you ate - low fat cheese, whole
> grain bread, certain fruits, oatmeal.


I don't eat these. I am binged on Atkins - I eat regular cheese, no fruit,
bo breads or oatmeal, etc. All I need to do is get the IDEA for chocolate or
baked stuff and it becomes an obsession and then sometimes a binge.

At least one
> of the items on the list is a problem food for you.
> Eat it again in the future and you'll binge again,
> and again, and again, until you fall completely off
> plan or you learn avoidance. Switching to SBD will
> just give you permission to eat the specific problem
> food and trigger more binges at this point.
>
> I think what you need to do is several days of
> Induction to clear the cravings and get back on an
> even keel.

I have been - so far so good

Then return to your CCLL as normal.
> In a few weeks, try some experiments. One week
> try only the fruits


wasn't eating fruits

you had before the binge. If
> they don't trigger craving they get added to your
> list of safe foods. If they do trigger cravings
> they are definition binge trigger suspects. Then in
> a different week try just the oatmeal. Same do/don't
> on the cravings. Then in a different week try just
> whole grain bread. Same do/don't on the cravings.
> Do it one item at a time the way it says in the
> Atkins directions, and you'll learn which one is
> the problem.
>
> Once you know your problem food you will need to
> avoid it forever. My problems foods are anything
> with wheat and anything with sugar alcohols. I
> don't care what nonsense people tell me about eating
> those problem foods in moderation, it's a load of
> crap. Most likely one of those suspects is what
> triggered your binge.

i have a problem with chocolate.

>
>> I need to watch my fat intake I guess.
>
> Nothing in the rest of your post suggests this in
> the least. To me it seems like a knee-jerk reaction.
> Something happened and you want to apply a pat
> answer.

No - someone in this groups keeps telling me i am getting too many calories
and too much fat

But the answer is in the isolation process
> of Atkins not in random fat reduction when the
> foods that triggered the binge aren't high fat foods.
>
>> 2 cupcakes, a pack of M&Ms, 2 mini-candy bars (like halloween), a
>> nutterbutter cookie, frosting in a cup mixed with shredded coconut,
> all the
>> leftover corned beef & cabbage, Take 5 candy bar, full size Almond
> Joy,
>> cheese danish & marble pound cake & enourmous choc. chip cookie (all
> from
>> starbucks).
>>
>> That was my food for the day - not normal, I was in binge out of
> control
>> mode.
>
> That's a binge alright. You need to figure out the
> trigger so you don't repeat it. You don't need to
> reduce fat which isn't what triggered it. You don't
> need to switch to a plan that will give you
> permission to eat your trigger foods again and again.
>
>> Had a normal dinner. So - I felt ready to quit, or maybe give up LC
> and find
>> a new plan. I have such sugar addiction problems - I always end up
> binging.
>> I have come so far and am miserable now. I feel like I am lost and
> like I
>> know NOTHING about LC.
>
> The isolation feature of Atkins. Adding one food at a time
> and gauging your body's reaction to it. Learning binge
> triggers and forever avoiding them after discovery. I
> think that's what you've missed.
>
> On Atkins triggering a binge is a vistory. Seriously.
> If, and only if, you added one food at a time so you
> know what triggered the binge. If, and only if, you
> learn to avoid that food from then on. Switch to a
> plan that let's you eat your triggers, and you're screwed.
>
> Please don't use my personal examples of trigger foods:
> wheat and sugar alcohols. Other folks' triggers aren't
> your triggers. Use the process that I used to learn
> your own triggers.
>

yes - i am re-learning everything

[Doug Freyburger]

nanner wrote:
> Doug Freyburger wrote:
> > nanner wrote:
>
> you only know me from this post. After trying
> South Beach for a short period and having problems
> I went back to Atkins ( which I had done for years
> before i had kids) I tried south beach because i was
> nursing and thought it would be ok fo rmy body.

Atkins is fine while nursing. Ketosis is not. Atkins
is a process that uses ketosis as a tool, so while in
OWL you should know how to turn your own ketosis on and
off like a light switch. Above CCLL out of ketosis, at
CCLL in ketosis. Need to get out of ketosis, add 10
grams to your daily intake, you pop out of ketosis and
move from phase 3 OWL to phase 3 Premaint. Add 20 to
your daily intake and you're well away from the ketosis
threshhold. Induction is not the whole of what Atkins
is. If it were the book would be a lot shorter.

> > > ... and I had trouble controlling myself since some
> > > whole grain breads and fruits and oatmeal were allowed.

This remains not addressed.

> All I need to do is get the IDEA for chocolate or
> baked stuff and it becomes an obsession and then
> sometimes a binge.

Chocolate *or* baked stuff? The majority of baked
stuff has no chocolate. Sounds like the presence of
two triggers. Chocolate and something that is in
both baked-stuff and whole-grain-breads. That's
probably wheat but not certainly wheat.

> i have a problem with chocolate.

Some alternatives for dealing with that fact:

1) Satisfaction. Can you have low carb chocolate
dishes like nookie pudding? (Baking chocolate plus
cream cheese plus optional splenda). It you can
without a binge then it's likely to be the sugar
or other stuff added to chocolate other than
baking chocolate.

2) Complete avoidance. 12-step style. If you
have a problem with it your current level of
success becomes how long since you last failed
to avoid it.

3) Complete avoidance plus applying a bit of
science. Chocolate supplies certain animo acids.
See if supplementing with one or two of those
amino acids turns off the addictive appeal of
chocolate for you.

> > On Atkins triggering a binge is a vistory. Seriously.
> > If, and only if, you added one food at a time so you
> > know what triggered the binge. If, and only if, you
> > learn to avoid that food from then on. Switch to a
> > plan that let's you eat your triggers, and you're screwed.
>
> > Please don't use my personal examples of trigger foods:
> > wheat and sugar alcohols. Other folks' triggers aren't
> > your triggers. Use the process that I used to learn
> > your own triggers.
>
> yes - i am re-learning everything

[nanner]

"Doug Freyburger" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> nanner wrote:
>> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>> > nanner wrote:
>>
>> you only know me from this post. After trying
>> South Beach for a short period and having problems
>> I went back to Atkins ( which I had done for years
>> before i had kids) I tried south beach because i was
>> nursing and thought it would be ok fo rmy body.
>
> Atkins is fine while nursing. Ketosis is not.

well - i was trying something different. either way it's not an issue now -
all babies been weaned about a year now. i didn't know then that i could
lose weight on atkins without being in ketosis - i just wanted to eat low
carb and not eat the crap i was eating. it was bad news then too.

Atkins
> is a process that uses ketosis as a tool, so while in
> OWL you should know how to turn your own ketosis on and
> off like a light switch. Above CCLL out of ketosis, at
> CCLL in ketosis. Need to get out of ketosis, add 10
> grams to your daily intake, you pop out of ketosis and
> move from phase 3 OWL to phase 3 Premaint. Add 20 to
> your daily intake and you're well away from the ketosis
> threshhold. Induction is not the whole of what Atkins
> is. If it were the book would be a lot shorter.

I know - but I am not good at picky things. I am good at general things.
Like when I was taking photography - no patience for specifically measuring
the chemicals then waiting the prescribed amount of seconds or minutes for
each reaction - let alone rinsing between chemicals - ugh.

I have a hard time getting so specific - I know i need to start measuring
food, it's just so unappealing.

>
>> > > ... and I had trouble controlling myself since some
>> > > whole grain breads and fruits and oatmeal were allowed.
>
> This remains not addressed.

I would look forward all day to a nice bowl of oatmeal w/cinnamon and
raisins. then the portion would get bigger and i'd eat it twice a day. I
know I have sugar problems - I could go all day eating nothing but handfuls
of dry frosted flakes out of the box...it's so sick.

>
>> All I need to do is get the IDEA for chocolate or
>> baked stuff and it becomes an obsession and then
>> sometimes a binge.
>
> Chocolate *or* baked stuff? The majority of baked
> stuff has no chocolate.

chocolate chip cookies, brownies from scratch, chocolate glazed donuts,
banana cake with fudge drizzled on it, fudge in general...i really don't
want to go on. Let's just say I don't pine away over linzer tarts or corn
bread.

Sounds like the presence of
> two triggers. Chocolate and something that is in
> both baked-stuff and whole-grain-breads. That's
> probably wheat but not certainly wheat.
>
>> i have a problem with chocolate.
>
> Some alternatives for dealing with that fact:
>
> 1) Satisfaction. Can you have low carb chocolate
> dishes like nookie pudding? (Baking chocolate plus
> cream cheese plus optional splenda).

I was doing this with marscarpone & cream w/dutched cocoa & a little splenda
and if i eat 2 tblspns a day I am satisfied. The chocolate & cheese keep me
satisfied but I don't know if I can lose weight and eat it.

It you can
> without a binge then it's likely to be the sugar
> or other stuff added to chocolate other than
> baking chocolate.

the sugar makes me nuts

>
> 2) Complete avoidance. 12-step style. If you
> have a problem with it your current level of
> success becomes how long since you last failed
> to avoid it.

i go nuts eventually and have a binge day - like last week

>
> 3) Complete avoidance plus applying a bit of
> science. Chocolate supplies certain animo acids.
> See if supplementing with one or two of those
> amino acids turns off the addictive appeal of
> chocolate for you.

maybe -

>
>> > On Atkins triggering a binge is a vistory. Seriously.
>> > If, and only if, you added one food at a time so you
>> > know what triggered the binge. If, and only if, you
>> > learn to avoid that food from then on. Switch to a
>> > plan that let's you eat your triggers, and you're screwed.
>>
>> > Please don't use my personal examples of trigger foods:
>> > wheat and sugar alcohols. Other folks' triggers aren't
>> > your triggers. Use the process that I used to learn
>> > your own triggers.
>>
>> yes - i am re-learning everything
>

[Tara]

"Doug Freyburger" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Atkins is fine while nursing. Ketosis is not.

Plenty of women are in ketosis while pregnant and have healthy babies. Me
included.


--
Tara
http://www.dazzled.com/lowcarb - my homepage
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~tjharris - pics of Madison
New Zealand

[nanner]

"Tara" > wrote in message
...
> "Doug Freyburger" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> Atkins is fine while nursing. Ketosis is not.
>
> Plenty of women are in ketosis while pregnant and have healthy babies. Me
> included.

who said anything about being pregnant? Is is not good for the baby to be
breastfed by a mother in ketosis. You know that nursing means breastfeeding
not "being pregnant" right?

>
>
> --
> Tara
> http://www.dazzled.com/lowcarb - my homepage
> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~tjharris - pics of Madison
> New Zealand
>

[nanner]

"Tara" > wrote in message
...
> "Doug Freyburger" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> Atkins is fine while nursing. Ketosis is not.
>
> Plenty of women are in ketosis while pregnant and have healthy babies. Me
> included.
>
>
> --
> Tara
> http://www.dazzled.com/lowcarb - my homepage
> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~tjharris - pics of Madison
> New Zealand
>

Hey! I looked at your pictures and not only do you look great but I realize
your before/afters back in 2001/2002 were some that inspired me after the
birth of my 1st child when I was fat and needing inspiration. So...thanks
for that and good job.

I only had time to lose 30lbs before getting pregnant with the 2nd. So
that's why I am only finishing up with the weightloss now.

[Tara]

"nanner" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Tara" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Doug Freyburger" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>> Atkins is fine while nursing. Ketosis is not.
>>
>> Plenty of women are in ketosis while pregnant and have healthy babies.
>> Me included.
>
> who said anything about being pregnant? Is is not good for the baby to be
> breastfed by a mother in ketosis. You know that nursing means
> breastfeeding not "being pregnant" right?

I'm not an idiot. If someone feels that being in ketosis while being
pregnant is ok, why would they change their mind and get out of ketosis once
the baby comes??

Tara

[nanner]

"Tara" > wrote in message ...
> "nanner" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Tara" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Doug Freyburger" > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>>> Atkins is fine while nursing. Ketosis is not.
>>>
>>> Plenty of women are in ketosis while pregnant and have healthy babies.
>>> Me included.
>>
>> who said anything about being pregnant? Is is not good for the baby to be
>> breastfed by a mother in ketosis. You know that nursing means
>> breastfeeding not "being pregnant" right?
>
> I'm not an idiot. If someone feels that being in ketosis while being
> pregnant is ok, why would they change their mind and get out of ketosis once
> the baby comes??
>
> Tara
>
>

Well - good luck to you and your baby. This is from the Atkins website:
"CAN I DO THIS DIET WHILE PREGNANT OR BREASTFEEDING?

You cannot be in ketosis while pregnant or breastfeeding because of the release of ketones and their potential effect on the fetus or the baby. However, you can eat a diet lower in carbs and higher in protein that the average American diet (with plenty of veggies and some lower-carb fruits). Also, you should be sure to eat higher fiber carbs, such as whole grain breads (in moderation) rather than white bread. You should work with your physician and/or a holistic nutritionist to determine the food plan that is best for you and your baby while pregnant or breastfeeding."

I think someone who would risk thier babies health IS an idiot. I hope your midwife/ob-gyn and physician are helping you with this.

I thought that a breastfed baby good get ketones through the mother's milk and that this was potentialy harmful. I don't remember what the effect is but I think it's supposed to be safer for a baby that is older and nursing but also eating other foods.

Here's something from Dr Agaston (South Beach Diet)

"Member question: I am breastfeeding my 5-month-old baby but want to lose about 60 pounds. Can I do that with the South Beach Diet? (chat transscript http://www.mizfrogspad.com/South_Beach_Diet/Chat_01-13-04.htm)

Dr. Agatston: While breastfeeding, we suggest that you consult your obstetrician regarding what he considers a safe rate of weight loss. In general, we suggest starting on Phase 2, the slower weight loss phase. The principle of the South Beach Diet, particularly consuming the good fats, is particularly important both during pregnancy and during breastfeeding. Trans-fats are particularly bad for the growing fetus and for growing babies; omega-3 fish oil is particularly good. Please be aware, however, that certain fish such as tuna and swordfish may contain large amounts of heavy metals and should be limited."


That's what I did while nursing - I did phase 2, then when DD weened I went to Atkins induction. But I am sure you've done alot of research to make sure it's absolutely fine to be in ketosis while pregnant, right? I hope so.

[Tara]

That's "CYA" medicine - they're covering their arse. Of course they are
going to say that, they don't want sued if someone is in ketosis during
their pregnancy/nursing and the baby has a problem. There aren't any
studies on pregnant women who are in benign dietary ketosis due to a low
carb diet. All I know is my personal experience and those of other women in
a Yahoo group I belong to (PregnantAtkids). There are plenty of women in
that group who have been ketotic during their pregnancies, and gone on to
have totally healthy normal babies. I believe that benign dietary ketosis
due to lowcarbing is healthy for me. Why should I change that view just
because I got pregnant?

My daughter is 1 year old on Monday, is very healthy, and has only been sick
once (ear infection). The only problem she had was a dislocated hip due to
DDH, and this is in no way linked to maternal eating! Admittedly I didn't
breastfeed for long, but I was in ketosis during that time, and parts of my
pregnancy. I certainly wasn't trying to lose weight during the pregnancy, I
just felt better when my carbs were kept low - higher than pre-pregnancy,
but I was still in ketosis. There are pictures of my daughter in a link in
my
signature, if you want to checkout the "damage" ketosis has done to her.

Many women (LC'ing or not) would be in ketosis during the morning sickness
"phase", they just don't check for it. Not being able to eat, vomitting and
weightloss due to not being able to eat happen to a lot of women. Some
women end up in ketosis no matter how many carbs they eat. Doctors and
midwifes check pregnant women for ketones when they occur in conjunction
with spilled protein.

I totally agree with the SBD comment, nobody should be eating
transfats, breastfeeding or not. He doesn't comment on ketosis though.

Lets agree to disagree. If I get pregnant again, I'll definitely be
lowcarbing.


--
Tara
Mum to Madison - 28 March 2004 - my 29th birthday
http://www.dazzled.com/lowcarb - my homepage
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~tjharris/ - pics of Madison
New Zealand

[nanner]

"Tara" > wrote in message
...
> That's "CYA" medicine - they're covering their arse. Of course they are
> going to say that, they don't want sued if someone is in ketosis during
> their pregnancy/nursing and the baby has a problem. There aren't any
> studies on pregnant women who are in benign dietary ketosis due to a low
> carb diet. All I know is my personal experience and those of other women
> in a Yahoo group I belong to (PregnantAtkids). There are plenty of women
> in that group who have been ketotic during their pregnancies, and gone on
> to
> have totally healthy normal babies. I believe that benign dietary ketosis
> due to lowcarbing is healthy for me. Why should I change that view just
> because I got pregnant?
>
> My daughter is 1 year old on Monday, is very healthy, and has only been
> sick
> once (ear infection). The only problem she had was a dislocated hip due
> to
> DDH, and this is in no way linked to maternal eating! Admittedly I didn't
> breastfeed for long, but I was in ketosis during that time, and parts of
> my
> pregnancy. I certainly wasn't trying to lose weight during the pregnancy,
> I
> just felt better when my carbs were kept low - higher than pre-pregnancy,
> but I was still in ketosis. There are pictures of my daughter in a link
> in my
> signature, if you want to checkout the "damage" ketosis has done to her.
>
> Many women (LC'ing or not) would be in ketosis during the morning sickness
> "phase", they just don't check for it. Not being able to eat, vomitting
> and
> weightloss due to not being able to eat happen to a lot of women. Some
> women end up in ketosis no matter how many carbs they eat. Doctors and
> midwifes check pregnant women for ketones when they occur in conjunction
> with spilled protein.
>
> I totally agree with the SBD comment, nobody should be eating
> transfats, breastfeeding or not. He doesn't comment on ketosis though.
>
> Lets agree to disagree. If I get pregnant again, I'll definitely be
> lowcarbing.

That's fine - I can't argue the point because I am not an expert. As long as
you know what you are doing. To me it seemed risky and not a worthy risk. My
1st weened at 18 months when I was 2 months preg with my 2nd. She only BFd
till 11 months and self-weened.

The SBD comment was there because it supported what I had done - the doctor
himself suggested starting with the 2nd phase of his diet (to avoid being in
ketosis?) I had already tried weight watchers becsue they have a program
that is supposed to be "safe" during BFing. I lost 8lbs and hated the whole
program. I think the SB book had just come out. Went on SB phase 2 & lost
14lbs, starting going kookoo with the oatmeal and other stuff, fell off the
wagon the the day DD weened I was on Atkins - LOL. After 2 weeks I got off
the wagon on purpose because there were foods I didn't allow myself during
pregnancy or nursing which combined was a straight 3 years! So I wanted some
booze and peanut butter and sushi LOL Went back to Atkins July 1st (DD
weened about June 1st) and had good results.

JoAnna
Started Atkins 7/1/04
176/136/120




>
>
> --
> Tara
> Mum to Madison - 28 March 2004 - my 29th birthday
> http://www.dazzled.com/lowcarb - my homepage
> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~tjharris/ - pics of Madison
> New Zealand
>
>
>

[Tara]

"nanner" > wrote in message
...
>
> That's fine - I can't argue the point because I am not an expert. As long
> as you know what you are doing. To me it seemed risky and not a worthy
> risk. My 1st weened at 18 months when I was 2 months preg with my 2nd. She
> only BFd till 11 months and self-weened.
>
> The SBD comment was there because it supported what I had done - the
> doctor himself suggested starting with the 2nd phase of his diet (to avoid
> being in ketosis?) I had already tried weight watchers becsue they have a
> program that is supposed to be "safe" during BFing. I lost 8lbs and hated
> the whole program. I think the SB book had just come out. Went on SB phase
> 2 & lost 14lbs, starting going kookoo with the oatmeal and other stuff,
> fell off the wagon the the day DD weened I was on Atkins - LOL. After 2
> weeks I got off the wagon on purpose because there were foods I didn't
> allow myself during pregnancy or nursing which combined was a straight 3
> years! So I wanted some booze and peanut butter and sushi LOL Went back to
> Atkins July 1st (DD weened about June 1st) and had good results.
>
> JoAnna


Believe me, I thought long and hard about it. I had pretty much abandoned
LC for the first half of the pregnancy, thinking "what the heck, I'm
pregnant, I can eat anything", and put on a fair whack of weight. I then
found the PregnantAtkids group, read through all their old messages and
files and made the decision to look after myself and my baby. I then ate
lowcarb, at about 50 - 70 g carbs a day. I wasn't trying to lose weight,
and I didn't. I was just trying to not gain too much more. It just
happened that I was it ketosis. When I was losing my weight, I had to eat a
lot less carbs to be in ketosis. I felt fine, my blood pressure was
perfect, I aced the glucose tolerance test, my baby was developing fine, and
I only gained 2 more kg (4.4 pounds) for the remaining half of the
pregnancy. My doctor never commented on being in ketosis, he knew how I was
eating - basically avoiding sugars and starches and eating plenty of vegies,
meat and dairy. Madison's going to be one in a couple of days, boy the year
went quickly!

All the literature out there (whether it's general nutrition or LC or LF...)
says not to lose weight during pregnancy, and if you must lose weight while
breastfeeding do it very slowly. After all you're meant to be helping grow
your baby, not worry about losing weight. So most diet plans recommend the
slow approach, like Phase Two, Ongoing Weightloss etc. I think women need
to do what is best for them, and keep well-hydrated - that's the most
important thing when nursing.

Wow for being pregnant or nursing for 3 years! You're a stronger woman than
me!!

Cheers

--
Tara
Mum to Madison - 28 March 2004 - my 29th birthday
http://www.dazzled.com/lowcarb - my homepage
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~tjharris/ - pics of Madison
New Zealand