Diabetic questions

[Sprgtime]

So... last night we found out that hubby is most likely diabetic.

We went into the ER because of his flu... his temperature was 102, his
heartrate was 141... and his blood sugar was 290.

After a few hours they checked his blood sugar again (they had been
rehydrating him with an IV - he was very dehydrated) and it had lowered a
little to 287. They had him drink a glass of orange juice and eat some
graham crackers. (Does that sound strange to anybody else??) Then they
checked his blood sugar an hour or two later and it had gone up more. So
then they shot him with insulin... got it lowered to 270... gave him more
insulin... got it lowered to 257, and they released him (11 hours later from
the time they first started treating him).

Now he's on glucotrol. They said it was very important for him to see his
doctor first thing Monday to receive instruction on diabetes and figure out
how he is going to control it. I'm wondering... since he has the flu (and
that alone can elevate your blood sugar, right?), and since he's taking this
pill to control his blood sugar... how will they know what he needs? What
kind of a baseline will they even have?
The ER doctor told him NO sweets, no sugar, no whitebread, etc. (Obviously,
I've already been doing that). He couldn't stand it today, after eating
well for breakfast, lunch, and snacks, he said had to have a fast food
burger and left to go get one.

He thinks because he's got the flu, and because he doesn't have any of the
symptoms of being diabetic, then he doesn't really have diabetes and he can
eat whatever he wants as long as he eats it "in moderation" (moderation to
him apparently means daily).

I realize that I'll probably know more after his doctor appointment tomorrow
morning, but I'm just worried sick in the meantime. I was wondering if
anyone had any comments/advice/suggestions/been-there-done-that type stuff
to tell me.

Thanks,


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Spring
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260/200/170

"Before" & "current" pics at link below:
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[None Given]

"Sprgtime" > wrote in message
...
> little to 287. They had him drink a glass of orange juice and eat some
> graham crackers. (Does that sound strange to anybody else??) Then they
> checked his blood sugar an hour or two later and it had gone up more. So

That may have been their idea of an informal glucose tolerance test, does
sound weird though.

> He thinks because he's got the flu, and because he doesn't have any of the
> symptoms of being diabetic, then he doesn't really have diabetes and he
can
> eat whatever he wants as long as he eats it "in moderation" (moderation to
> him apparently means daily).

He is in denial, nothing I know of would make a non-diabetic go that high.
My DH said the same thing because he was sick when he was dx, he made me go
talk to his dr to make sure. Sometimes he eats something he shouldn't and
sees a high number so he doesn't doubt it, anymore. He still hasn't told
his mother, though.

> I realize that I'll probably know more after his doctor appointment
tomorrow
> morning, but I'm just worried sick in the meantime. I was wondering if
> anyone had any comments/advice/suggestions/been-there-done-that type stuff
> to tell me.

When he gets a meter and starts using it:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm
Being on glucotrol alone will not control him enough that he still won't
test diabetic at the dr's office. Having numbers that high means he is
probably in glucose toxicity which increases his insulin resistance.

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No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

[marengo]

"Sprgtime" > wrote in message

|| So... last night we found out that hubby is most likely diabetic.
||
|| We went into the ER because of his flu... his temperature was 102,
|| his heartrate was 141... and his blood sugar was 290.
||
|| After a few hours they checked his blood sugar again (they had been
|| rehydrating him with an IV - he was very dehydrated) and it had
|| lowered a little to 287. They had him drink a glass of orange juice
|| and eat some graham crackers. (Does that sound strange to anybody
|| else??)

Strange? IMO it's downright malpractice! They force sugar and starches
into someone with extremely high blood glucose levels, then shoot them up
with insulin?

The sheer stupidity of some people in the medical profession never ceases to
amaze me!

Many of us who are diabetic control the disease with no medications simply
by NOT eating the crackers and driking the orange juice (avoiding sugar and
starches)!

--
Peter
website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

[Jennifer]

Well... Spring... you've got an uphill battle... or should I say HE does.

Remember you can't change someone else.

But here's some info for hubby...

A non-diabetic would never reach ito the high 200's ever. With or
without the flu.

A diagnosis of diabetes can be made with any two tests over 200 at any
time after eating anything. 290 is a lock.

He should be very very glad his diabetes was caught before symptoms.
Symptoms = damage. He has a golden opportunity to start controlling his
disease and live a LONG HEALTHY diabetic life.

To send him home with Glucotrol and no information is terrible. (I won't
even go into the OJ and graham crackers!!! Shocking!!!) Glucotrol can
cause hypos. You do need to call you doctor, get an appointment and get
a meter. As for knowing what his "baseline" is... almost doesn't
matter, but your doctor surely will do a Glycosylated Hemoglobin test...
an A1c for short. It will tell hubby what his glucose has been over the
past few months. Eating low carb for a few days won't disrupt that test.

Here's the advice I always give to newbie diabetics:

There is so much to absorb... you don't have to rush into anything. Begin
by using your best weapon in this war, your meter. You won't keel over
today, you have time to experiment, test, learn, test and figure out just
how your body and this disease are getting along. The most important
thing you can do to learn about yourself and diabetes is test test test.

More than most anything, what you eat will affect your diabetes and
your blood glucose numbers.

And more than anything you eat, carbs will affect your diabetes and
your blood glucose numbers.

So, the most important information you can begin to compile about
yourself, is how your body handles carbs.

This sounds like you would need a low carb food plan right?

You don't... what you need to uncover is YOUR Personalized Carb Number.

Which actually works better for most everyone. Because low to one
person is wildly high to another, but waaaaay too low for someone
else.

Is low carb less than 30g a day? Is it anything less than the
Pyramid reccomendations?

Finding your Personalized Carb Number is easy.

Here's how you can figure out your own Personalized Carb Number.

The single biggest question a diabetic has to answer is:

What do I eat?

Unfortunately, the answer is pretty confusing.

What confounds us all is the fact that different diabetics can get great
results on wildly different food plans. Some of us here achieve
great blood glucose control eating a high complex carbohydrate diet.
Others find that anything over 75 - 100g of carbs a day is too
much. Still others are somewhere in between.

At the beginning all of us felt frustrated. We wanted to be handed
THE way to eat, to ensure our continued health. But we all
learned that there is no one way. Each of us had to find our own path,
using the experience of those that went before, but still having
to discover for ourselves how OUR bodies and this disease were coexisting.

Ask questions, but remember each of us discovered on our own what works best
for us. You can use our experiences as jumping off points, but eventually
you'll work up a successful plan that is yours alone.

What you are looking to discover is how different foods affect you. As I'm
sure you've read, carbohydrates (sugars, wheat, rice... the things our
Grandmas called "starches") raise blood sugars the most rapidly. Protein
and fat do raise them, but not as high and much more slowly... so if you're
a T2, generally the insulin your body still makes may take care of the rise.

You might want to try some experiments.

First: Eat whatever you've been
currently eating... but write it all down.
Test yourself at the following times:

Upon waking (fasting)
1 hour after each meal
2 hours after each meal
At bedtime

That means 8 x each day. What you will discover by this is how long
after a meal your highest reading comes... and how fast you return to
"normal". Also, you may see that a meal that included bread, fruit or
other carbs gives you a higher reading.

Then for the next few days, try to curb your carbs. Eliminate breads,
cereals, rices, beans, any wheat products, potato, corn, fruit... get all
your carbs from veggies. Test at the same schedule above.

If you try this for a few days, you may find some pretty damn good
readings. It's worth a few days to discover.

Eventually you can slowly add back carbs until you see them affecting your
meter.

The thing about this disease... though we share much in common and we
need to
follow certain guidelines... in the end, each of our bodies dictate our
treatment and our success.

The closer we get to non-diabetic numbers, the greater chance we have of
avoiding horrible complications. The key here is AIM... I know that
everyone is at a different point in their disease... and it is progressive.
But, if we aim for the best numbers and do our best, we give ourselves the
best shot at heath we've got.
That's all we can do.

Here's my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are non-diabetic numbers.

FBG under 100
One hour after meals under 140
Two hours after meals under 120

or for those in the mmol parts of the world:

Fasting Under 6
One hour after meals Under 8
Two hours after meals Under 6.5

Recent studies have indicated that the most important numbers are your
"after meal" numbers. They may be the most indicative of future
complications, especially heart problems.

Listen to your doctor, but you are the leader of your diabetic
care team. While his /her advice is learned, it is not absolute. You
will end up knowing much more about your body and how it's handling
diabetes than your doctor will. Your meter is your best weapon.

Just remember, we're not in a race or a competition with anyone but
ourselves... Play around with your food plan... TEST TEST TEST. Learn what
foods cause spikes, what foods cause cravings... Use your body as a science
experiment.

You'll read about a lot of different ways people use to control their
diabetes... Many are diametrically opposed. After awhile you'll learn that
there is no one size fits all around here. Take some time to experiment
and you'll soon discover the plan that works for you.

Best of luck!

Jennifer


Sprgtime wrote:

> So... last night we found out that hubby is most likely diabetic.
>
> We went into the ER because of his flu... his temperature was 102, his
> heartrate was 141... and his blood sugar was 290.
>
> After a few hours they checked his blood sugar again (they had been
> rehydrating him with an IV - he was very dehydrated) and it had lowered a
> little to 287. They had him drink a glass of orange juice and eat some
> graham crackers. (Does that sound strange to anybody else??) Then they
> checked his blood sugar an hour or two later and it had gone up more. So
> then they shot him with insulin... got it lowered to 270... gave him more
> insulin... got it lowered to 257, and they released him (11 hours later from
> the time they first started treating him).
>
> Now he's on glucotrol. They said it was very important for him to see his
> doctor first thing Monday to receive instruction on diabetes and figure out
> how he is going to control it. I'm wondering... since he has the flu (and
> that alone can elevate your blood sugar, right?), and since he's taking this
> pill to control his blood sugar... how will they know what he needs? What
> kind of a baseline will they even have?
> The ER doctor told him NO sweets, no sugar, no whitebread, etc. (Obviously,
> I've already been doing that). He couldn't stand it today, after eating
> well for breakfast, lunch, and snacks, he said had to have a fast food
> burger and left to go get one.
>
> He thinks because he's got the flu, and because he doesn't have any of the
> symptoms of being diabetic, then he doesn't really have diabetes and he can
> eat whatever he wants as long as he eats it "in moderation" (moderation to
> him apparently means daily).
>
> I realize that I'll probably know more after his doctor appointment tomorrow
> morning, but I'm just worried sick in the meantime. I was wondering if
> anyone had any comments/advice/suggestions/been-there-done-that type stuff
> to tell me.
>
> Thanks,
>
>

[tia]

"None Given" > wrote in message
...
> He is in denial, nothing I know of would make a non-diabetic go that high.
> My DH said the same thing because he was sick when he was dx, he made me
> go
> talk to his dr to make sure. Sometimes he eats something he shouldn't
> and
> sees a high number so he doesn't doubt it, anymore. He still hasn't told
> his mother, though.

im not a diabetic and i went that high... i just never crashed below 90,
which is normal. he could be suffering from hyperinsulinism... definately
get him checked out and dont mess with the GTT/GFT (glucose tolerance and
fasting tests)

after awhile on a LC diet he will feel much better.... if hes becoming type
2, just do a search on the complications associated with diabetes...he might
just change his tune.




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[tia]

actually when i was very shakey, orange juice was one of the easiest ways to
get a simple glucose into my bloodstream. if he was already getting sick
from the sugar in his system it was probably bouncing all over the place.
the juice would have been a way to stabilize him, which is honestly the only
thing the ER does before they send you home. hope that helps. ive had a
blood sugar high end of 290 before. its not pretty when you surge that
high. if i were to have a candy bar right this second (or chili from wendys
OMG) i would hit that easily...then feel worse than the flu afterwards. ill
try to answer any questions i can from personal experience, and good luck to
your dear husband. theyre hell to live with but we sure love them

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"marengo" > wrote in message
news:4VSPd.50961$2p.36961@lakeread08...
> "Sprgtime" > wrote in message
>
> || So... last night we found out that hubby is most likely diabetic.
> ||
> || We went into the ER because of his flu... his temperature was 102,
> || his heartrate was 141... and his blood sugar was 290.
> ||
> || After a few hours they checked his blood sugar again (they had been
> || rehydrating him with an IV - he was very dehydrated) and it had
> || lowered a little to 287. They had him drink a glass of orange juice
> || and eat some graham crackers. (Does that sound strange to anybody
> || else??)
>
> Strange? IMO it's downright malpractice! They force sugar and starches
> into someone with extremely high blood glucose levels, then shoot them up
> with insulin?
>
> The sheer stupidity of some people in the medical profession never ceases
> to
> amaze me!
>
> Many of us who are diabetic control the disease with no medications simply
> by NOT eating the crackers and driking the orange juice (avoiding sugar
> and
> starches)!
>
> --
> Peter
> website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo
>
>

[Julie]

"Sprgtime" > wrote in message
...
> So... last night we found out that hubby is most likely diabetic.
>
> We went into the ER because of his flu... his temperature was 102, his
> heartrate was 141... and his blood sugar was 290.
>
> After a few hours they checked his blood sugar again (they had been
> rehydrating him with an IV - he was very dehydrated) and it had lowered a
> little to 287. They had him drink a glass of orange juice and eat some
> graham crackers. (Does that sound strange to anybody else??) Then they
> checked his blood sugar an hour or two later and it had gone up more. So
> then they shot him with insulin... got it lowered to 270... gave him more
> insulin... got it lowered to 257, and they released him (11 hours later
> from the time they first started treating him).
>
> Now he's on glucotrol. They said it was very important for him to see his
> doctor first thing Monday to receive instruction on diabetes and figure
> out how he is going to control it. I'm wondering... since he has the flu
> (and that alone can elevate your blood sugar, right?), and since he's
> taking this pill to control his blood sugar... how will they know what he
> needs? What kind of a baseline will they even have?
> The ER doctor told him NO sweets, no sugar, no whitebread, etc.
> (Obviously, I've already been doing that). He couldn't stand it today,
> after eating well for breakfast, lunch, and snacks, he said had to have a
> fast food burger and left to go get one.
>
> He thinks because he's got the flu, and because he doesn't have any of the
> symptoms of being diabetic, then he doesn't really have diabetes and he
> can eat whatever he wants as long as he eats it "in moderation"
> (moderation to him apparently means daily).
>
> I realize that I'll probably know more after his doctor appointment
> tomorrow morning, but I'm just worried sick in the meantime. I was
> wondering if anyone had any
> comments/advice/suggestions/been-there-done-that type stuff to tell me.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> --
> Spring
> LC since 1/1/04
> 260/200/170
>
> "Before" & "current" pics at link below:
> http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sprgsnow/album?.tok=phX4sVBBuvxvs4Hs&.dir=/55b8&.src=ph
>
>
>

Aren't you and your hubby in your mid-twenties? I thought we were about the
same age... Wow, that's scary. I'm sorry to hear about that, I would be
freaked out.

Julie

[Priscilla Ballou]

In article >,
"tia" > wrote:

> "None Given" > wrote in message
> ...
> > He is in denial, nothing I know of would make a non-diabetic go that high.
> > My DH said the same thing because he was sick when he was dx, he made me
> > go
> > talk to his dr to make sure. Sometimes he eats something he shouldn't
> > and
> > sees a high number so he doesn't doubt it, anymore. He still hasn't told
> > his mother, though.
>
> im not a diabetic and i went that high...

Do it twice and you won't be able to say the first part of that sentence
again with any accuracy.

Priscilla
--
"And what's this crap about Sodomites? It's always Sodomites this and
Sodomites that. What about us Gomorrahians? We were there too; we
deserve some mention. Sodom always gets the credit, and Gomorrah always
does the work." - JohnN in alt.religion.christian.episcopal

[tia]

ive had my sugar checked many times since my mom always had problems with
her sugar. my doctor says im not diabetic. he does say im extremely
sensitive to sugar tho, and my reaction to it is really bad. however,
without me crashing on the fasting test, the results are not conclusive for
diabetes... sorry.

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"Priscilla Ballou" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "tia" > wrote:
>
>> "None Given" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > He is in denial, nothing I know of would make a non-diabetic go that
>> > high.
>> > My DH said the same thing because he was sick when he was dx, he made
>> > me
>> > go
>> > talk to his dr to make sure. Sometimes he eats something he shouldn't
>> > and
>> > sees a high number so he doesn't doubt it, anymore. He still hasn't
>> > told
>> > his mother, though.
>>
>> im not a diabetic and i went that high...
>
> Do it twice and you won't be able to say the first part of that sentence
> again with any accuracy.
>
> Priscilla
> --
> "And what's this crap about Sodomites? It's always Sodomites this and
> Sodomites that. What about us Gomorrahians? We were there too; we
> deserve some mention. Sodom always gets the credit, and Gomorrah always
> does the work." - JohnN in alt.religion.christian.episcopal

[Roger Zoul]

tia > wrote:
> i dunno what to say then.. ok lets say i am type 2... now that im on
> atkins controlling my bloodsugar, im no longer diabetic, right?

Wrong.

i
> never actually considered the possibility because i never crashed.
> no matter how bad i got (shakey) i never worried about it because i
> never went below 90.

??? And why is this? I'm a T2 and I never get shakey. Why are you getting
shakey?

>
> also, if i was diabetic, wouldnt i have trouble losing weight?

I'm a type 2...have been for some 23 years. I've lost over 135 lbs on LC.
I can lose weight easily....where are you getting this stuff? You have to
remember that diabetes does not manifest itself exactly the same with
everyone.

i was
> in low metabolic resistance during induction and havent had a problem
> with it since? then again im exercizing too (ahem, wysong :) so..

What is low metabolic resistance?

>
> is this why when i'm on atkins and i have a taste of sugar i get the
> massive sugar shock - nausea, vomiting, dizziness, etc? is that what
> happens to a diabetic when they have sugar, especially when
> controlling it for so long?

That doesn't happen to me...but I'm not you.

>
> do i have to do the testing with a glucose meter?

You definitely should consider it....

> am i at risk for
> all the complications that arise from it?

You surely could be....

> does it ever go away?

No. But it can be well managed via LC and exercise. This could be working
in your favor now, BTW.

> youre really freaking me out.

Well, she did you a huge favor and you should be freaking out.

are you absolutely sure it has to meet
> only 1 of those criteria????????

Get thee to a doctor ASAP. Find a new one if need be.

please answer as much of this post
> as you can, please... i dont have the insurance to see a physician
> just yet.

You can get an inexpensive and strips meter at Walmart, so I hear. I
suggest you do so and start testing yourself.
The internet is NOT a good place to be getting medical advice. But you need
to find competent medical help.

>
> -tia
>
>
> "Jennifer" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Here's the diagnostic criteria for diabetes... if you meet it, your
>> doctor is doing you no favors in not diagnosing you.
>>
>>
>> A diagnosis of diabetes is made when any ONE of these three tests is
>> positive, followed by a second positive test on a different day:
>>
>> * Fasting plasma glucose of greater than or equal to 126 mg/dl.
>>
>>
>> * A random glucose test (taken at any time of the day) of greater
>> than or equal to 200 mg/dl.
>>
>>
>> * Oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT) value of greater than or
>> equal to 200 mg/dl measured at a two-hour interval. The OGTT is
>> given over a three-hour timespan.
>>
>> Jennifer
>>
>>
>> tia wrote:
>>
>>> ive had my sugar checked many times since my mom always had
>>> problems with her sugar. my doctor says im not diabetic. he does
>>> say im extremely sensitive to sugar tho, and my reaction to it is
>>> really bad. however, without me crashing on the fasting test, the
>>> results are not conclusive for diabetes... sorry.

[tia]

"Roger Zoul" > wrote in message
...
> tia > wrote:
> i
>> never actually considered the possibility because i never crashed.
>> no matter how bad i got (shakey) i never worried about it because i
>> never went below 90.
>
> ??? And why is this? I'm a T2 and I never get shakey. Why are you
> getting
> shakey?

i was shakey before atkins. i guess i was thinking back but didnt quite
verbalize it well. im not shakey on lc at all, its all before hand.


>
>>
>> also, if i was diabetic, wouldnt i have trouble losing weight?
>
> I'm a type 2...have been for some 23 years. I've lost over 135 lbs on LC.
> I can lose weight easily....where are you getting this stuff? You have to
> remember that diabetes does not manifest itself exactly the same with
> everyone.
>

i read that because of the insulin hormone with diabetics, it was very
difficult to lose weight. ive read it in atkins book (im not at home or id
quote pages) and even laureen was saying she couldnt loose weight b/c of
diabetes. its just kinda a fact i picked up, but im more than willing to
admit im wrong if i am. notta doc.

> i was
>> in low metabolic resistance during induction and havent had a problem
>> with it since? then again im exercizing too (ahem, wysong :) so..
>
> What is low metabolic resistance?
>
>>

when you read the part about induction, he says to monitor how much you lose
in the first two weeks. for women if you lose over 8lbs (or something) you
dont have much resistance towards losing weight. other folks that lose less
than 5lbs have very high metabolic resistance. i swear its in the book; i
couldnt make this stuff up if i wanted to.

>
> Get thee to a doctor ASAP. Find a new one if need be.
>

not sure that i can afford a doctor. as of tomorrow i might not have
insurance anymore. once life settles down and my husband is out of the
hospital (and getting back home would be a nice start) ill have to see if
theres some type of free clinic for the poor or something .. ;/

> You can get an inexpensive and strips meter at Walmart, so I hear. I
> suggest you do so and start testing yourself.
> The internet is NOT a good place to be getting medical advice. But you
> need
> to find competent medical help.
>

well.. i was almost going to get to sleep tonight lol.. . ah ****.
everything comes in threes, so at least theres only 1 more thing left as far
as bad news is concerned....

what was interesting is i was looking up different symptoms of diabetes and
there was 1 thing i found that i couldnt ever diagnose with myself....until
tonight. i must have been type 2 for atleast 10 years without knowing it.
how ****in dangerous is that? i wonder how much longer i would have gone if
not for the original post.

i guess you can tell your husband, Sprgtime, that he helped somebody else
figure out some bad news too.. but its way better to know than not to.. im
actually pretty floored right now. very floored. its when i saw the other
symptom i have that really nailed it in the coffin for me.

roger, can you recommend a brand of testing meter and strips? omfg, i gotta
do the finger prick thing? omfg... i never considered this before.. and
****.. when do i tell my husband? bleh. do the cheap meters work as well
as the not so cheap accuchek ones? why are they cheap - i dont want to buy
something like that twice.

if its controllable with lc, then why cant i assume it just went away? is
this something im always going to have to watch out for? i realize i need
to seek advice elsewhere, but i guess im just venting in disbelief at the
moment....

kinda depressed now..
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[Roger Zoul]

tia > wrote:
> "Roger Zoul" > wrote in message
> ...
>> tia > wrote:
>> i
>>> never actually considered the possibility because i never crashed.
>>> no matter how bad i got (shakey) i never worried about it because i
>>> never went below 90.
>>
>> ??? And why is this? I'm a T2 and I never get shakey. Why are you
>> getting
>> shakey?
>
> i was shakey before atkins. i guess i was thinking back but didnt
> quite verbalize it well. im not shakey on lc at all, its all before
> hand.
>

good. don't quit LCing. don't quit exercising.

>
>>
>>>
>>> also, if i was diabetic, wouldnt i have trouble losing weight?
>>
>> I'm a type 2...have been for some 23 years. I've lost over 135 lbs
>> on LC. I can lose weight easily....where are you getting this stuff?
>> You have to remember that diabetes does not manifest itself exactly
>> the same with everyone.
>>
>
> i read that because of the insulin hormone with diabetics, it was very
> difficult to lose weight. ive read it in atkins book (im not at home
> or id quote pages) and even laureen was saying she couldnt loose
> weight b/c of diabetes. its just kinda a fact i picked up, but im
> more than willing to admit im wrong if i am. notta doc.

That's true for some people...but not for everyone who is diabetic. It's a
YMMV kind of thing.

>
>> i was
>>> in low metabolic resistance during induction and havent had a
>>> problem with it since? then again im exercizing too (ahem, wysong
>>> :) so..
>>
>> What is low metabolic resistance?
>>
>>>
>
> when you read the part about induction, he says to monitor how much
> you lose in the first two weeks. for women if you lose over 8lbs (or
> something) you dont have much resistance towards losing weight.
> other folks that lose less than 5lbs have very high metabolic
> resistance. i swear its in the book; i couldnt make this stuff up if
> i wanted to.
>

Okay...I haven't read the book since 10/2001.


>>
>> Get thee to a doctor ASAP. Find a new one if need be.
>>
>
> not sure that i can afford a doctor. as of tomorrow i might not have
> insurance anymore. once life settles down and my husband is out of
> the hospital (and getting back home would be a nice start) ill have
> to see if theres some type of free clinic for the poor or something
> .. ;/

Hopefully. Try something. But keep in mind that you can control this....LC
and exercise will work wonders....so even if you are T2, it is possible to
get good control over it.

>
>> You can get an inexpensive and strips meter at Walmart, so I hear. I
>> suggest you do so and start testing yourself.
>> The internet is NOT a good place to be getting medical advice. But
>> you need
>> to find competent medical help.
>>
>
> well.. i was almost going to get to sleep tonight lol.. . ah ****.
> everything comes in threes, so at least theres only 1 more thing left
> as far as bad news is concerned....
>
> what was interesting is i was looking up different symptoms of
> diabetes and there was 1 thing i found that i couldnt ever diagnose
> with myself....until tonight. i must have been type 2 for atleast 10
> years without knowing it. how ****in dangerous is that?

Depending on your lifestyle, it could be very dangerous. Getting shakey
doesn't sound particularly safe...

> i wonder how
> much longer i would have gone if not for the original post.
>
> i guess you can tell your husband, Sprgtime, that he helped somebody
> else figure out some bad news too.. but its way better to know than
> not to.. im actually pretty floored right now. very floored. its
> when i saw the other symptom i have that really nailed it in the
> coffin for me.
>
> roger, can you recommend a brand of testing meter and strips?

It's commonly posted in this ng...I use the accucheck complete, myself, but
there is an inexpensive model at Wal-mart...someone can post it or googling
will find it. Or you can go to walmart.com and search.

omfg,
> i gotta do the finger prick thing? omfg

It's not such a big deal....really. It just seems that way - mostly to
newbies. With LC and exercise (weight lifting and cardio), I barely even
notice I'm a T2. And as far as I know, I'm fully functional, too :)

.... i never considered this
> before.. and ****.. when do i tell my husband?

You can do some research first....learn about it a bit....then tell him
later.

bleh. do the cheap
> meters work as well as the not so cheap accuchek ones? why are they
> cheap - i dont want to buy something like that twice.

I think a lot of money is made on strips...so they sell the meters cheap. I
even have an extra brand new, unopened meter here (Accu-Chek
Compact)...seems like my insurance company wanted to give it to me for some
reason (probably trying to avoid paying out more money on me in the
future)...

>
> if its controllable with lc, then why cant i assume it just went
> away?

No. Controllable means just that - controllable. Not gone. If you keep it
under control, then it won't ravage your body....hopefully. Some say that
diabetes is progressive....that's why it's important to stay on top of
it...and to keep it under control.

> is this something im always going to have to watch out for?

Yes, dear.

i
> realize i need to seek advice elsewhere, but i guess im just venting
> in disbelief at the moment....

well....think of the thousands (maybe millions) out there that have no
clue...

>
> kinda depressed now..

You still need to see a doctor to be 100% sure. And keep in mind that if
you're LCing and exercising, your BGs could be under control. So to see
out-of-range numbers may require you to do something unusal. If you've been
diabetic for 10 years, then I see no reason to be depressed now....you
should be happy that you've found LC and are exercising....really, that much
better than where you *could* be with this....you've already recognized that
you have major issues with sugar...some would almost rather die than to give
up a sweet little tart....

[Sprgtime]

> Aren't you and your hubby in your mid-twenties? I thought we were about
> the same age... Wow, that's scary. I'm sorry to hear about that, I would
> be freaked out.

Yeah, I am a little freaked out. That's why I posted here. Thanks
everybody that responded. I feel better just knowing we have this support
group here.
I'm 25. Hubby is 34.



--
Spring
LC since 1/1/04
260/200/170

"Before" & "current" pics at link below:
http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sprgsnow/album?.tok=phX4sVBBuvxvs4Hs&.dir=/55b8&.src=ph

[The Queen of Cans and Jars]

tia > wrote:

> not sure that i can afford a doctor.

in another post you said, and i quote, "in fact, when im not
sitting in hospitals, i run with my husband, who is active duty
military."

when did the military stop offering medical care to spouses of active
duty personnel?

or are you just having trouble keeping track of which lies you're
telling on any given day?

[None Given]

"tia" > wrote in message
. com...
>
>
> im not a diabetic and i went that high... i just never crashed below 90,
> which is normal. he could be suffering from hyperinsulinism...


That is NOT normal

--
No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

[FOB]

In ,
Roger Zoul > stated

||| You can get an inexpensive and strips meter at Walmart, so I hear.
||| I suggest you do so and start testing yourself.
||| The internet is NOT a good place to be getting medical advice. But
||| you need
||| to find competent medical help.

I have noticed that some of the drugstore chains are now advertising their
own brands of cheap meters. You have to multiply the results on the Relion
(from Walmart) which uses whole blood calibration by 112% to come in line
with the commonly used plasma calibration measurement system. Here's one
from CVS that comes with 10 strips, uses the whole blood calibration like
Relion and costs $14.95.
http://www.cvs.com/CVSApp/cvs/gateway/detail?prodid=147524&previousURI=/CVSApp/cvs/gateway/search?page=1^Query=blood+glucose+meter^ActiveCat= 65
Walgreens has a similar one for $17.99
http://www.walgreens.com/store/product.jhtml?id=prod396867&CATID=100133&navAction=push&navCount=0
And drugstore.com (RiteAid) $14.99
http://www.drugstore.com/products/prod.asp?pid=83649&catid=10016&trx=29384&tab=0#0



For Tia: You can read about this and a lot more about diabetes and pre
diabetes here:
http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/selftest.htm What Tia describes as the
shakes may well be reactive hypoglycemia, see the section on Low Blood
Sugar.

I also disagree with Roger about getting advice on the internet. Doctors
are not infallible and some of them are not even very good, particularly in
certain areas. The human body is very complex and research is always
revealing new facts--some of which directly conflict with previous
knowledge--it's hard for doctors to manage their practice and keep up with
all the new stuff as well. You need to have a partnership with your doctor
in your treatment and the more knowledge you bring to that partnership the
better it will work.

|| well.. i was almost going to get to sleep tonight lol.. . ah ****.
|| everything comes in threes, so at least theres only 1 more thing left
|| as far as bad news is concerned....

Don't panic, diabetes is a matter of degree, it progresses over time, low
carbing is probably the best thing you could be doing for it right now.

[Jennifer]

Tia...

Getting "shakey" and "crashing" are not something that determines
whether you're a diabetic or not.

Both of those things happen when your blood glucose level drops rapidly.
If that happened to you a lot in the past, it is likely you had
"reactive hypoglycemia". Which is common in people who then go on to
get diabetes.

Now... if you are controlling your blood glucose levels using a food and
exercise plan, (and unless you have a meter and you go to the doctor for
regular A1c tests, you really can't know if you ARE controlling it)...
that does not mean you're NOT a diabetic.

I have had absolutely normal blood tests for the past five years.
BUT... I am a diabetic. A diabetic controlling my disease. If I choose
to eat something high in carbs, my blood will tell me.

You say you don't have the insurance to go to a doc... but i recall that
your husband is in the armed services right? Aren't you covered through
him?

This is all conjecture on everyone's part, until you go to the doctor to
determine what's what.

I only "challenged" you because you were giving out dangerous
information to someone who was asking a question.

The diagnosis information I posted is true. You can Google it and find
it is the same in all respected sites... so if you feel you meet the
criteria... you'll have to find the money to go to the doctor.

Jennifer


tia wrote:

> i dunno what to say then.. ok lets say i am type 2... now that im on atkins
> controlling my bloodsugar, im no longer diabetic, right? i never actually
> considered the possibility because i never crashed. no matter how bad i got
> (shakey) i never worried about it because i never went below 90.
>
> also, if i was diabetic, wouldnt i have trouble losing weight? i was in low
> metabolic resistance during induction and havent had a problem with it
> since? then again im exercizing too (ahem, wysong :) so..
>
> is this why when i'm on atkins and i have a taste of sugar i get the massive
> sugar shock - nausea, vomiting, dizziness, etc? is that what happens to a
> diabetic when they have sugar, especially when controlling it for so long?
>
> do i have to do the testing with a glucose meter? am i at risk for all the
> complications that arise from it? does it ever go away? youre really
> freaking me out. are you absolutely sure it has to meet only 1 of those
> criteria???????? please answer as much of this post as you can, please... i
> dont have the insurance to see a physician just yet.
>
> -tia
>

[None Given]

"tia" > wrote in message
. com...
>
roger, can you recommend a brand of testing meter and strips? omfg, i
gotta
> do the finger prick thing? omfg... i never considered this before.. and
> ****.. when do i tell my husband? bleh. do the cheap meters work as well
> as the not so cheap accuchek ones? why are they cheap - i dont want to
buy
> something like that twice.


Wal-Mart's Relion brand is, I think, under $10. It's the strips that cost a
lot. I think Relion's are 50 for $22. Keep low carbing and exercising to
minimize damage. It is also important for you to eat regularly, ex if I get
up in the morning my BG will keep rising until I eat something. If I eat
too little before I do a lot of physical work my BG will rise higher than if
I just work at the computer on the same amount of food.
One reason people with diabetes might have trouble losing weight is because
some of the drugs can work against them, Metformin is an exception to that,
it usually helps people lose. Another reason is a lot of people are on the
ADA exchange diet which is way too carby for most of us, and the fluctuating
BGs and insulin levels it causes make them feel like they're starving.

--
No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

[tia]

we have a situation where i might not be covered.

i do take offense to be called a liar, but it seems like you are just openly
hostile no matter what... so..
there you go.

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"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
.. .
> tia > wrote:
>
>> not sure that i can afford a doctor.
>
> in another post you said, and i quote, "in fact, when im not
> sitting in hospitals, i run with my husband, who is active duty
> military."
>
> when did the military stop offering medical care to spouses of active
> duty personnel?
>
> or are you just having trouble keeping track of which lies you're
> telling on any given day?

[tia]

i didnt feel challenged by you.

i covered this earlier but we have a situation where i might not be covered
the way most spouses are. i cant go into because of confidentiality (as
well as it being personal) but today actually im probably going to find out
something about that. once i know something i can answer your question
better, but i have to prepare for not having insurance.

ill definately have to go see somebody. i really appreciated your advice
and your answers because what i knew seemed to be hogwash -- and the
'doctor' that told me was a resident while i was seeing the university
doctor. either way i owe you a bit of thanks.

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"Jennifer" > wrote in message
...
> Tia...
>
> Getting "shakey" and "crashing" are not something that determines whether
> you're a diabetic or not.
>
> Both of those things happen when your blood glucose level drops rapidly.
> If that happened to you a lot in the past, it is likely you had "reactive
> hypoglycemia". Which is common in people who then go on to get diabetes.
>
> Now... if you are controlling your blood glucose levels using a food and
> exercise plan, (and unless you have a meter and you go to the doctor for
> regular A1c tests, you really can't know if you ARE controlling it)...
> that does not mean you're NOT a diabetic.
>
> I have had absolutely normal blood tests for the past five years. BUT... I
> am a diabetic. A diabetic controlling my disease. If I choose to eat
> something high in carbs, my blood will tell me.
>
> You say you don't have the insurance to go to a doc... but i recall that
> your husband is in the armed services right? Aren't you covered through
> him?
>
> This is all conjecture on everyone's part, until you go to the doctor to
> determine what's what.
>
> I only "challenged" you because you were giving out dangerous information
> to someone who was asking a question.
>
> The diagnosis information I posted is true. You can Google it and find it
> is the same in all respected sites... so if you feel you meet the
> criteria... you'll have to find the money to go to the doctor.
>
> Jennifer
>
>
> tia wrote:
>
>> i dunno what to say then.. ok lets say i am type 2... now that im on
>> atkins controlling my bloodsugar, im no longer diabetic, right? i never
>> actually considered the possibility because i never crashed. no matter
>> how bad i got (shakey) i never worried about it because i never went
>> below 90.
>>
>> also, if i was diabetic, wouldnt i have trouble losing weight? i was in
>> low metabolic resistance during induction and havent had a problem with
>> it since? then again im exercizing too (ahem, wysong :) so..
>>
>> is this why when i'm on atkins and i have a taste of sugar i get the
>> massive sugar shock - nausea, vomiting, dizziness, etc? is that what
>> happens to a diabetic when they have sugar, especially when controlling
>> it for so long?
>>
>> do i have to do the testing with a glucose meter? am i at risk for all
>> the complications that arise from it? does it ever go away? youre
>> really freaking me out. are you absolutely sure it has to meet only 1 of
>> those criteria???????? please answer as much of this post as you can,
>> please... i dont have the insurance to see a physician just yet.
>>
>> -tia
>>
>

[louisejoi]

"tia" > wrote in message
. com...
> i covered this earlier but we have a situation where i might not be
covered
> the way most spouses are. i cant go into because of confidentiality (as
> well as it being personal) but today actually im probably going to find
out
> something about that. once i know something i can answer your question
> better, but i have to prepare for not having insurance.

If your husband is active duty military, you are his legal spouse, you are
entitled to medical care, no ifs ands or buts about it. That's the law and
anyone who says otherwise, whether it is someone telling you, or you making
things up here under the cloak of "confidentiality" is simply not telling
the truth. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and advise you to seek
advice about your medical coverage elsewhere. I don't post here often, but
trust me, I know these things and you are completely wrong on this. And it
could have a disastrous impact on your health.

--
Best wishes,
Louise

Type 2 since 2000
Controlling by exercise and diet

[louisejoi]

"tia" > wrote in message
. com...
> i covered this earlier but we have a situation where i might not be
covered
> the way most spouses are. i cant go into because of confidentiality (as
> well as it being personal) but today actually im probably going to find
out
> something about that. once i know something i can answer your question
> better, but i have to prepare for not having insurance.

If your husband is active duty military, you are his legal spouse, you are
entitled to medical care, no ifs ands or buts about it. That's the law and
anyone who says otherwise, whether it is someone telling you, or you making
things up here under the cloak of "confidentiality" is simply not telling
the truth. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and advise you to seek
advice about your medical coverage elsewhere. I don't post here often, but
trust me, I know these things and you are completely wrong on this. And it
could have a disastrous impact on your health.

--
Best wishes,
Louise

Type 2 since 2000
Controlling by exercise and diet

[tia]

honestly, ketosticks arent much more expensive, so $22 for 50 isnt all THAT
bad... it depends how many times a day id need to test and all that...

you say that not eating makes your glucose levels rise? i havent really
been eating in a long time - atleast a week of mostly water.. i had two
meals this week b/c of stress - if i am type 2, what kind of damage am i
doing???? :(

--
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"None Given" > wrote in message
...
> "tia" > wrote in message
> . com...
>>
> roger, can you recommend a brand of testing meter and strips? omfg, i
> gotta
>> do the finger prick thing? omfg... i never considered this before.. and
>> ****.. when do i tell my husband? bleh. do the cheap meters work as
>> well
>> as the not so cheap accuchek ones? why are they cheap - i dont want to
> buy
>> something like that twice.
>
>
> Wal-Mart's Relion brand is, I think, under $10. It's the strips that cost
> a
> lot. I think Relion's are 50 for $22. Keep low carbing and exercising to
> minimize damage. It is also important for you to eat regularly, ex if I
> get
> up in the morning my BG will keep rising until I eat something. If I eat
> too little before I do a lot of physical work my BG will rise higher than
> if
> I just work at the computer on the same amount of food.
> One reason people with diabetes might have trouble losing weight is
> because
> some of the drugs can work against them, Metformin is an exception to
> that,
> it usually helps people lose. Another reason is a lot of people are on
> the
> ADA exchange diet which is way too carby for most of us, and the
> fluctuating
> BGs and insulin levels it causes make them feel like they're starving.
>
> --
> No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes
>
>

[tia]

i can not discuss it, but this is not a normal circumstance.

after we find out for sure, ill post why i might not have insurance. i
realize the benefits under normal circumstances ( i knew mentioning his
line of work was a mistake...)... but this is different. ill explain later.

its not that i dont appreciate the concern; in fact i do. but once you hear
what i have to say (after the fact) youll understand it a bit more.

-tia

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"louisejoi" > wrote in message
news:Ae6Qd.21217$DG5.3198@lakeread07...
>
> "tia" > wrote in message
> . com...
>> i covered this earlier but we have a situation where i might not be
> covered
>> the way most spouses are. i cant go into because of confidentiality (as
>> well as it being personal) but today actually im probably going to find
> out
>> something about that. once i know something i can answer your question
>> better, but i have to prepare for not having insurance.
>
> If your husband is active duty military, you are his legal spouse, you
> are
> entitled to medical care, no ifs ands or buts about it. That's the law
> and
> anyone who says otherwise, whether it is someone telling you, or you
> making
> things up here under the cloak of "confidentiality" is simply not telling
> the truth. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and advise you to seek
> advice about your medical coverage elsewhere. I don't post here often,
> but
> trust me, I know these things and you are completely wrong on this. And
> it
> could have a disastrous impact on your health.
>
> --
> Best wishes,
> Louise
>
> Type 2 since 2000
> Controlling by exercise and diet
>
>

[louisejoi]

"tia" > wrote in message
. com...
> i can not discuss it, but this is not a normal circumstance.

Tia, there's only one abnormal circumstance why your husband could be on
"active duty" and you, as his legal wife, not be entitled to medical care.
I know what that is, I almost put it in my previous post, but I won't
mention it here. Your husband and anyone who has been in the military
should know what it is. I hope *you* know what it *really* is. My
instincts tell me that there's something fishy here and you may not know the
whole truth, or you are choosing to ignore some important stuff. You may
have even bigger problems than your diabetes. I wish you well.

--
Best wishes,
Louise

Type 2 since 2000
Controlling by exercise and diet

[Nicky]

"tia" > wrote in message
. com...
> honestly, ketosticks arent much more expensive, so $22 for 50 isnt all
> THAT bad... it depends how many times a day id need to test and all
> that...
>
> you say that not eating makes your glucose levels rise? i havent really
> been eating in a long time - atleast a week of mostly water.. i had two
> meals this week b/c of stress - if i am type 2, what kind of damage am i
> doing???? :(

Don't get stressed about it! : ) Nibbling small bites when you can during
the day will be fine. Low carb is a damn good way of controlling diabetes,
so you're not going to be doing extra damage whilst you mark time until you
and your husband can get home.

Once you are, and you've got your insurance sorted, you're probably going to
want to test a LOT to begin with, because you need to build up a database of
how different meals and food combos affect you. I did 11x per day for a
couple of months; now I test on new foods, before eating and 1 and 2 hours
after.

Whilst you're twiddling your thumbs, try Gretchen Becker's book Type 2
Diabetes; The First Year - it wouldn't surprise me if the hospital library
(if there is one) has a copy.

Then come over to alt.support.diabetes too : )

Nicky.

--
A1c 10.5/4.5/<6 Weight 95/78/72Kg
1g Metformin, 87.5ug Thyroxine
T2 DX 05/2004

[tia]

write to me. .

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"louisejoi" > wrote in message
news:NQ6Qd.21227$DG5.531@lakeread07...
>
> "tia" > wrote in message
> . com...
>> i can not discuss it, but this is not a normal circumstance.
>
> Tia, there's only one abnormal circumstance why your husband could be on
> "active duty" and you, as his legal wife, not be entitled to medical care.
> I know what that is, I almost put it in my previous post, but I won't
> mention it here. Your husband and anyone who has been in the military
> should know what it is. I hope *you* know what it *really* is. My
> instincts tell me that there's something fishy here and you may not know
> the
> whole truth, or you are choosing to ignore some important stuff. You may
> have even bigger problems than your diabetes. I wish you well.
>
> --
> Best wishes,
> Louise
>
> Type 2 since 2000
> Controlling by exercise and diet
>
>

[tia]

thanks for the invite :) im going to get things sorted out and once i know
for sure, ill be sure to head on over. hell, might head on over anyway to
get a feel for what i might be up against......

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"Nicky" > wrote in message
...
>
> "tia" > wrote in message
> . com...
>> honestly, ketosticks arent much more expensive, so $22 for 50 isnt all
>> THAT bad... it depends how many times a day id need to test and all
>> that...
>>
>> you say that not eating makes your glucose levels rise? i havent really
>> been eating in a long time - atleast a week of mostly water.. i had two
>> meals this week b/c of stress - if i am type 2, what kind of damage am i
>> doing???? :(
>
> Don't get stressed about it! : ) Nibbling small bites when you can during
> the day will be fine. Low carb is a damn good way of controlling diabetes,
> so you're not going to be doing extra damage whilst you mark time until
> you and your husband can get home.
>
> Once you are, and you've got your insurance sorted, you're probably going
> to want to test a LOT to begin with, because you need to build up a
> database of how different meals and food combos affect you. I did 11x per
> day for a couple of months; now I test on new foods, before eating and 1
> and 2 hours after.
>
> Whilst you're twiddling your thumbs, try Gretchen Becker's book Type 2
> Diabetes; The First Year - it wouldn't surprise me if the hospital library
> (if there is one) has a copy.
>
> Then come over to alt.support.diabetes too : )
>
> Nicky.
>
> --
> A1c 10.5/4.5/<6 Weight 95/78/72Kg
> 1g Metformin, 87.5ug Thyroxine
> T2 DX 05/2004
>

[None Given]

"tia" > wrote in message
. com...
> honestly, ketosticks arent much more expensive, so $22 for 50 isnt all
THAT
> bad... it depends how many times a day id need to test and all that...
>
> you say that not eating makes your glucose levels rise? i havent really
> been eating in a long time - atleast a week of mostly water.. i had two
> meals this week b/c of stress - if i am type 2, what kind of damage am i
> doing???? :(


I'm not sure what not eating for a week would do, I'm not about to try it.
If you really don't feel like eating, just have a snack, a few celery sticks
with some peanut butter or cheese, a few bites of meat from a fast food
hamburger (not the bun) or green salad, some no-sugar-added yogurt, a few
berries, etc. Several smaller meals work better for a lot of people than
3 squares a day, anyway. Drink water, don't let yourself get dehydrated.
Mostly the testing is, for us, a way to see how different foods affect our
glucose, carbs are the thing that affect it the most. When drs tell you
when to test they are looking to see your overall control so they usually
tell you to test morning fasting and/or before meals so they can tell if you
need medication or insulin, etc., those readings tell us nothing about our
after meal numbers. As long as you are eating very low carb and your BG is
staying low I wouldn't worry about testing a whole lot unless you cheat,
just to see if what you ate is bad for your BG because it is a very
individual thing, or after breakfast because that is when many of us are
most sensitive to carbs.

--
No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

[The Queen of Cans and Jars]

tia > wrote:

> we have a situation where i might not be covered.

i'm sorry to hear that.

> i do take offense to be called a liar,

don't contradict yourself so obviously, then.

> but it seems like you are just openly
> hostile no matter what... so..
> there you go.

i'm not hostile. i'm easily annoyed, and you're very annoying.

[Diane Ball]

"Jennifer" > wrote in message
...
> Here's the diagnostic criteria for diabetes... if you meet it, your doctor
> is doing you no favors in not diagnosing you.
>
>
> A diagnosis of diabetes is made when any ONE of these three tests is
> positive, followed by a second positive test on a different day:
>
> * Fasting plasma glucose of greater than or equal to 126 mg/dl.
>
>
> * A random glucose test (taken at any time of the day) of greater than
> or equal to 200 mg/dl.
>
>
> * Oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT) value of greater than or equal to
> 200 mg/dl measured at a two-hour interval. The OGTT is given over a
> three-hour timespan.
>
> Jennifer
>
>
> tia wrote:
>
>> ive had my sugar checked many times since my mom always had problems with
>> her sugar. my doctor says im not diabetic. he does say im extremely
>> sensitive to sugar tho, and my reaction to it is really bad. however,
>> without me crashing on the fasting test, the results are not conclusive
>> for diabetes... sorry.
>>
>

I have to watch my sugar - or I will become a diabetic later in life. My BG
rarely goes high. In a 5 hour tolerance trest went to 130 and within about
45 minutes from that - dropped to 44. I felt so sick at that time. Since
hypoglycemia is too much insulin - there isn't a whole lot I can do except
eat something that will bring my BG up in a hurry - protein or fruit juice
is preferrable. If that isn't around - somethng starchy next - not a good
choice for an LCer - but don't normally have episodes if I don't eat a lot
of processed sugar or starches. LC has pretty much stabilized my BG and I
don't feel tired every afternoon around 3:00 unless I eat too much starch.
Diane

[Marsha]

marengo wrote:

> "Sprgtime" > wrote in message
>
> || So... last night we found out that hubby is most likely diabetic.
> ||
> || We went into the ER because of his flu... his temperature was 102,
> || his heartrate was 141... and his blood sugar was 290.
> ||
> || After a few hours they checked his blood sugar again (they had been
> || rehydrating him with an IV - he was very dehydrated) and it had
> || lowered a little to 287. They had him drink a glass of orange juice
> || and eat some graham crackers. (Does that sound strange to anybody
> || else??)
>
> Strange? IMO it's downright malpractice! They force sugar and starches
> into someone with extremely high blood glucose levels, then shoot them up
> with insulin?
>
> The sheer stupidity of some people in the medical profession never ceases to
> amaze me!
> Peter
> website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

Not necessarily. A lot of illnesses will elevate blood
sugar, without a person being diabetic. This may very well
have been a quick test. Once they saw that his sugar rose
after the OJ and crackers, they gave him the proper treatment.

Marsha/Ohio

[Jennifer]

Marsha wrote:

> Not necessarily. A lot of illnesses will elevate blood sugar, without a
> person being diabetic. This may very well have been a quick test. Once
> they saw that his sugar rose after the OJ and crackers, they gave him
> the proper treatment.
>
> Marsha/Ohio
>

Not to almost 300.

That is diabetes.

Jennifer

[Christy Herron]

tia wrote:
> i dunno what to say then.. ok lets say i am type 2... now that im on atkins
> controlling my bloodsugar, im no longer diabetic, right? i never actually
> considered the possibility because i never crashed. no matter how bad i got
> (shakey) i never worried about it because i never went below 90.

I am hypoglycemic (when I eat badly) and my dad was too, and now he is
type 2. The shaky feeling is from the speed of the blood sugar crash.
When your blood sugar drops quickly, your body releases not only
insulin, but adrenalin to counteract the crash. Excess adrenalin makes
you shake, like when you are scared or startled. 90 is only your
"documented" low. You could have dropped lower, especially if you
waited to test until you were feeling shaky. By the time you get that
feeling, your body has already started working to bring your sugar back
up.

Is this shaky feeling common for you? I used to crash once or twice a
day before I changed my diet. Hypoglycemia can be so bad! It can
really mess up your life. Been there.

Christy

[Christy Herron]

tia wrote:

> thanks for the invite :) im going to get things sorted out and once i know
> for sure, ill be sure to head on over. hell, might head on over anyway to
> get a feel for what i might be up against......
>

Okay, Tia, I realize that several members of the group have given you
very good advise, and that you may very well be diabetic. What they
didn't tell you was to see a *different* doctor than the one who told
you that you weren't diabetic. Second opinions are worth it IMO.
Especially since the first opinion makes no sense to me.

I'm guessing that you could be like me: hypoglycemic and headed for
type 2 diabetes if untreated. When I was dx'd, I told my mom to have my
dad get checked out, since he had the same symptoms (hungry, cranky,
then sleepy after eating.) She said he was fine. Two years later he
was dx'd with type 2. I know that I am headed down that road if I don't
control my diet permanently!

Hang in there until you can get checked by a doctor, and keep low-carbing!

Christy

[tia]

then be annoyed heh.. i havent contradicted myself and i clarified myself
when people had questions. ive done all i can to try to be nice to you but
apparently that isnt working. anyway, later.

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"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
. ..
> tia > wrote:
>
>> we have a situation where i might not be covered.
>
> i'm sorry to hear that.
>
>> i do take offense to be called a liar,
>
> don't contradict yourself so obviously, then.
>
>> but it seems like you are just openly
>> hostile no matter what... so..
>> there you go.
>
> i'm not hostile. i'm easily annoyed, and you're very annoying.
>
>
>

[tia]

i was told something like that by the doctor, but from what im reading here
folks are saying something else. im going to see what help i can get to get
a proper diagnosis.

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"Christy Herron" > wrote in message
...
> tia wrote:
>
>> thanks for the invite :) im going to get things sorted out and once i
>> know for sure, ill be sure to head on over. hell, might head on over
>> anyway to get a feel for what i might be up against......
>>
>
> Okay, Tia, I realize that several members of the group have given you very
> good advise, and that you may very well be diabetic. What they didn't
> tell you was to see a *different* doctor than the one who told you that
> you weren't diabetic. Second opinions are worth it IMO. Especially since
> the first opinion makes no sense to me.
>
> I'm guessing that you could be like me: hypoglycemic and headed for type
> 2 diabetes if untreated. When I was dx'd, I told my mom to have my dad
> get checked out, since he had the same symptoms (hungry, cranky, then
> sleepy after eating.) She said he was fine. Two years later he was dx'd
> with type 2. I know that I am headed down that road if I don't control my
> diet permanently!
>
> Hang in there until you can get checked by a doctor, and keep low-carbing!
>
> Christy
>

[Priscilla H. Ballou]

Diane Ball wrote:

> I have to watch my sugar - or I will become a diabetic later in life. My BG
> rarely goes high. In a 5 hour tolerance trest went to 130 and within about
> 45 minutes from that - dropped to 44. I felt so sick at that time. Since
> hypoglycemia is too much insulin - there isn't a whole lot I can do except
> eat something that will bring my BG up in a hurry - protein or fruit juice
> is preferrable.

Not protein, but the fruit juice is good. You want something with
readily available carbs. Protein takes quite a while to show up as
glucose in your blood, plus it only translates to glucose at a rate of
about 58%. I keep some candy in my coat pocket, just in case. Once
you're out of hypo, then some protein to keep you in a good range is a
good idea, but it won't do beans to get you out of hypo in a hurry.

> If that isn't around - somethng starchy next - not a good
> choice for an LCer - but don't normally have episodes if I don't eat a lot
> of processed sugar or starches. LC has pretty much stabilized my BG and I
> don't feel tired every afternoon around 3:00 unless I eat too much starch.

Do you have a glucometer? You might find it interesting to see what
your BG goes up to when you do eat a bunch of starch. No-one would know
today that I'm diabetic if I didn't tell them, since I low-carb and thus
keep my numbers in check. But I find it very helpful to know that I am
diabetic so I'll know to keep an eye on what I need to.

Priscilla

[Christy Herron]

tia wrote:
> i was told something like that by the doctor, but from what im reading here
> folks are saying something else. im going to see what help i can get to get
> a proper diagnosis.
>

A lot of people don't look at hypoglycemia as a true disorder. After
all *anyone* can have a low blood sugar crash if they don't eat enough.
The question is how often you have lows or crashes and how severe they
are. Also pay attention if you have any symptoms such as extreme
fatigue, depressions, nightmares, even hallucinations. I had all of
these at my worst point, and once I fixed my eating, I slowly got better.

I am concerned about that high you had though...

Christy