a week of tracking...

[Jackie Patti]

I hadn't been tracking my diet closely for the past few months, but am
currently working out an appropriate metformin dosage and have been
tracking much more closely this week.

I've tried to eat as similarly as I've been doing, not changing stuff
just cause I'm tracking, cause I don't intend to track all the time.
I've probably been successful for the most part, though I admit there's
a few times I didn't eat a snack I might've eaten before just cause I
didn't feel like calculating the carbs, protein and calories and doing
the blood testing afterwards. I mean, if I have to test my blood in one
hour and two hours over a hard boiled egg, it's kinda easier to skip
that particular hard boiled egg. I doubt this effected my overall
consumption much though as I think I was eating a bit more at meals to
compensate.

My overall daily targets are 30-50 g carb, 80-100 g protein and
1200-2000 calories. I'm not staying in these ranges as well as I
thought I was though.

I've posted elsewhere that the first really startling thing was
discovering I eat a ****load of calories as dairy fat. I'm not
currently planning to change this particularly as it's not a problem
yet, but if I have problems in the future, I'll know where I have to
start. So it's good info to have, though I'm not planning to do
anything with it immediatly.

The next startling thing is... I eat way less carb than I thought I did.
My daily intake this past week varied from 16-37 grams of carb. Given
that my goal is 30-50 grams... well, I'm surprised. I'm not sure if I
want to change this or not. Most of my veggie intake is pretty much
greens, which have very little non-fiber carbs. I just can't eat enough
salad and mustard greens to significantly impact my carb levels, and
apparently don't even get that much in my excessive dairy consumption.
I could certainly add in more higher-carb veggies, a bit more tomato,
onions and carrots, or add in some low-carb fruits like melon and
strawberries. Whether this works well for the long-run is my concern at
this point... I have little issue with cravings right now and don't
particularly want to start any. On the other hand, being this low may
be a partial explanation for my slower-than-ideal weight loss. So I'm
not sure what I want to do about this. Certanly I will get my metformin
dosage worked out before attempting changes, as my current issue is
stablizing my blood glucose and I want a baseline before introducing
changes, but I am unsure if I will attempt changes or not as I'm pretty
happy not being hungry right now.

The other startling thing was... I find much more variation in my
day-to-day consumption of protein than I expected. I've always
considered a range more realistic than a strict target, because life
just works that way... some days I'm hungrier than others, depending on
exercise, amount of sleep, and who-knows-what-other-variables. While I
thought I was eating 80-100 grams of protein per day, I actually ranged
from 65 to 130 grams per day this week. I really didn't expect a 100%
variation in my protein intake, that surprised me.

My kilocalories are running high versus my target. My target is
1200-2000, which is a pretty wide range with what I thought was plenty
of wiggle room, but my actual measured range was 1300-2300, with most
days in the 1800 area.

JC will say I should eat less, but as far as I can tell, my issue is I
need to *drink* less as it's the damned cream in my coffee that's
killing me here. The coffee, even with cream and sweetener, has little
enough carb and protein that I don't feel it's necessary to test my bg
after every single cup. I just drink an awful lot of it, especially
when I'm working at the computer for long periods. I can easily cut
several hundred calories from my diet doing so and may need to think
about that in the future.

Right now, it's not a big issue, as I'm still losing weight and it's not
doing much to my bg one way or the other, but it's a potential future
concern. I don't like black coffee and I also don't find limiting
coffee intake works for me well, so I may have to give it up in the
future.

I also had the plasure of seeing a fasting blood glucose of 112 this
morning before I went to the doctor. Lowest reading I've had all year!
Woohoo! It's a bit ironic because I was going primarily to discuss
the fact that my metformin dosage needed increasing due to poor blood
glucose readings and I'd just gotten the best reading of the year.

I found my doctor pretty clueful when I met him last time and he found
me clueful also. We each congragulated the other on being a good doctor
and a good patient.

I'd been on 500 mg twice a day and the doctor looked over my data, then
gave me a few hundred samples of 850 mg pills and told me to increase
the dosage gradually and just come back in 4 weeks to tell him how much
I should be taking so he can write the appropriate prescription. Heh.

Note: I've got the pharamecutical insert intended for physicians and can
read it as well as he can since I used to be a biochemist. So it's not
quite as irresponsible as it might sound for him to just tell me to
figure out the dosage myself since he knows I'm quite capable of doing
it as well as he is.

So... it's been an interesting little week of gathering data, I've
learned a lot about my own personal little science experiment here.

--
As you accelerate your food, it takes exponentially more and more energy
to increase its velocity, until you hit a limit at C. This energy has
to come from somewhere; in this case, from the food's nutritional value.
Thus, the faster the food is, the worse it gets.
-- Mark Hughes, comprehending the taste of fast food

[Roger Zoul]

Jackie Patti wrote:
:: I hadn't been tracking my diet closely for the past few months, but
:: am currently working out an appropriate metformin dosage and have
:: been tracking much more closely this week.
::
:: I've tried to eat as similarly as I've been doing, not changing stuff
:: just cause I'm tracking, cause I don't intend to track all the time.
:: I've probably been successful for the most part, though I admit
:: there's a few times I didn't eat a snack I might've eaten before
:: just cause I didn't feel like calculating the carbs, protein and
:: calories and doing the blood testing afterwards. I mean, if I have
:: to test my blood in one hour and two hours over a hard boiled egg,
:: it's kinda easier to skip that particular hard boiled egg. I doubt
:: this effected my overall consumption much though as I think I was
:: eating a bit more at meals to compensate.
::
:: My overall daily targets are 30-50 g carb, 80-100 g protein and
:: 1200-2000 calories. I'm not staying in these ranges as well as I
:: thought I was though.
::
:: I've posted elsewhere that the first really startling thing was
:: discovering I eat a ****load of calories as dairy fat. I'm not
:: currently planning to change this particularly as it's not a problem
:: yet, but if I have problems in the future, I'll know where I have to
:: start. So it's good info to have, though I'm not planning to do
:: anything with it immediatly.


What percentange? This is not uncommon for a LCer, you know. LCing is
basically a high fat diet.

::
:: The next startling thing is... I eat way less carb than I thought I
:: did. My daily intake this past week varied from 16-37 grams of
:: carb. Given that my goal is 30-50 grams... well, I'm surprised.
:: I'm not sure if I want to change this or not. Most of my veggie
:: intake is pretty much greens, which have very little non-fiber
:: carbs. I just can't eat enough salad and mustard greens to
:: significantly impact my carb levels, and apparently don't even get
:: that much in my excessive dairy consumption. I could certainly add
:: in more higher-carb veggies, a bit more tomato, onions and carrots,
:: or add in some low-carb fruits like melon and strawberries. Whether
:: this works well for the long-run is my concern at this point...

AS far as sticking to the diet, this is probably best for the long run to
increase it to your targets. Obviously, BG control is another issue.

I
:: have little issue with cravings right now and don't particularly
:: want to start any. On the other hand, being this low may be a
:: partial explanation for my slower-than-ideal weight loss. So I'm
:: not sure what I want to do about this. Certanly I will get my
:: metformin dosage worked out before attempting changes, as my current
:: issue is stablizing my blood glucose and I want a baseline before
:: introducing changes, but I am unsure if I will attempt changes or
:: not as I'm pretty happy not being hungry right now.

I doubt those targets with matter much for hunger. You are exercising.

::
:: The other startling thing was... I find much more variation in my
:: day-to-day consumption of protein than I expected. I've always
:: considered a range more realistic than a strict target, because life
:: just works that way... some days I'm hungrier than others, depending
:: on exercise, amount of sleep, and who-knows-what-other-variables.
:: While I thought I was eating 80-100 grams of protein per day, I
:: actually ranged from 65 to 130 grams per day this week. I really
:: didn't expect a 100% variation in my protein intake, that surprised
:: me.

Typical. Some days I have to go out of my way to get enough protein. It
helps me that I track all the time because if I introduce variations in my
diet, then I'll often have to compensate in the evening meal, and sometimes
that requires eating more protein that I'd like at different, so I'll end up
low for that day.

::
:: My kilocalories are running high versus my target. My target is
:: 1200-2000, which is a pretty wide range with what I thought was
:: plenty of wiggle room, but my actual measured range was 1300-2300,
:: with most days in the 1800 area.
::
:: JC will say I should eat less,

Without knowing what you weigh, one has little idea what your caloric needs
ought to be...

but as far as I can tell, my issue is
:: I need to *drink* less as it's the damned cream in my coffee that's
:: killing me here. The coffee, even with cream and sweetener, has
:: little enough carb and protein that I don't feel it's necessary to
:: test my bg after every single cup. I just drink an awful lot of it,
:: especially when I'm working at the computer for long periods. I can
:: easily cut several hundred calories from my diet doing so and may
:: need to think about that in the future.

These are reasons I dont' use cream in coffee. It adds too many
calories..but it certainly keeps the fat high. Jenny will tell you that
sat fat is bad for your beta cells, too.

::
:: Right now, it's not a big issue, as I'm still losing weight and it's
:: not doing much to my bg one way or the other, but it's a potential
:: future concern. I don't like black coffee and I also don't find
:: limiting coffee intake works for me well, so I may have to give it
:: up in the future.

Well, IMO, you can learn to like black coffee....

::
:: I also had the plasure of seeing a fasting blood glucose of 112 this
:: morning before I went to the doctor. Lowest reading I've had all
:: year! Woohoo! It's a bit ironic because I was going primarily to
:: discuss
:: the fact that my metformin dosage needed increasing due to poor blood
:: glucose readings and I'd just gotten the best reading of the year.
::
:: I found my doctor pretty clueful when I met him last time and he
:: found me clueful also. We each congragulated the other on being a
:: good doctor and a good patient.
::
:: I'd been on 500 mg twice a day and the doctor looked over my data,
:: then gave me a few hundred samples of 850 mg pills and told me to
:: increase the dosage gradually and just come back in 4 weeks to tell
:: him how much I should be taking so he can write the appropriate
:: prescription. Heh.
::
:: Note: I've got the pharamecutical insert intended for physicians and
:: can read it as well as he can since I used to be a biochemist. So
:: it's not quite as irresponsible as it might sound for him to just
:: tell me to figure out the dosage myself since he knows I'm quite
:: capable of doing it as well as he is.
::
:: So... it's been an interesting little week of gathering data, I've
:: learned a lot about my own personal little science experiment here.
::
:: --
:: As you accelerate your food, it takes exponentially more and more
:: energy to increase its velocity, until you hit a limit at C. This
:: energy has to come from somewhere; in this case, from the food's
:: nutritional value. Thus, the faster the food is, the worse it gets.
:: -- Mark Hughes, comprehending the taste of fast food

[Hannah Gruen]

"Roger Zoul" > wrote in message

> Well, IMO, you can learn to like black coffee....

Or just use less cream. I find that if I pour cream into my cup from the
carton, I'll usually use a tablespoon or so, and that tastes fine to me. But
I usually follow the habit of pouring out the cream into my teaspoon and
then stirring it in, which is 1/3 the calories and fat, and that seems to
whiten it for me and give it that smooth creamy mouthfeel, even for a
good-sized mug. It's all in what you're used to I guess, but I think a lot
of people use more cream than they really need.

HG

[Luna]

In article >,
"Roger Zoul" > wrote:

>
> Well, IMO, you can learn to like black coffee....
>
> ::


I totally agree. I am also a coffee fiend, and I was getting too many
calories from my half and half. I started drinking it black with sweetener
and cinnamon, and I don't miss the half and half at all. This was the
easiest place to cut calories for me.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

[JC Der Koenig]

"Eat less" is actually short for "consume less calories, whether they be in
solid or liquid form".

HTH

--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

--
"Jackie Patti" > wrote in message
...
> I hadn't been tracking my diet closely for the past few months, but am
> currently working out an appropriate metformin dosage and have been
> tracking much more closely this week.
>
> I've tried to eat as similarly as I've been doing, not changing stuff
> just cause I'm tracking, cause I don't intend to track all the time.
> I've probably been successful for the most part, though I admit there's
> a few times I didn't eat a snack I might've eaten before just cause I
> didn't feel like calculating the carbs, protein and calories and doing
> the blood testing afterwards. I mean, if I have to test my blood in one
> hour and two hours over a hard boiled egg, it's kinda easier to skip
> that particular hard boiled egg. I doubt this effected my overall
> consumption much though as I think I was eating a bit more at meals to
> compensate.
>
> My overall daily targets are 30-50 g carb, 80-100 g protein and
> 1200-2000 calories. I'm not staying in these ranges as well as I
> thought I was though.
>
> I've posted elsewhere that the first really startling thing was
> discovering I eat a ****load of calories as dairy fat. I'm not
> currently planning to change this particularly as it's not a problem
> yet, but if I have problems in the future, I'll know where I have to
> start. So it's good info to have, though I'm not planning to do
> anything with it immediatly.
>
> The next startling thing is... I eat way less carb than I thought I did.
> My daily intake this past week varied from 16-37 grams of carb. Given
> that my goal is 30-50 grams... well, I'm surprised. I'm not sure if I
> want to change this or not. Most of my veggie intake is pretty much
> greens, which have very little non-fiber carbs. I just can't eat enough
> salad and mustard greens to significantly impact my carb levels, and
> apparently don't even get that much in my excessive dairy consumption.
> I could certainly add in more higher-carb veggies, a bit more tomato,
> onions and carrots, or add in some low-carb fruits like melon and
> strawberries. Whether this works well for the long-run is my concern at
> this point... I have little issue with cravings right now and don't
> particularly want to start any. On the other hand, being this low may
> be a partial explanation for my slower-than-ideal weight loss. So I'm
> not sure what I want to do about this. Certanly I will get my metformin
> dosage worked out before attempting changes, as my current issue is
> stablizing my blood glucose and I want a baseline before introducing
> changes, but I am unsure if I will attempt changes or not as I'm pretty
> happy not being hungry right now.
>
> The other startling thing was... I find much more variation in my
> day-to-day consumption of protein than I expected. I've always
> considered a range more realistic than a strict target, because life
> just works that way... some days I'm hungrier than others, depending on
> exercise, amount of sleep, and who-knows-what-other-variables. While I
> thought I was eating 80-100 grams of protein per day, I actually ranged
> from 65 to 130 grams per day this week. I really didn't expect a 100%
> variation in my protein intake, that surprised me.
>
> My kilocalories are running high versus my target. My target is
> 1200-2000, which is a pretty wide range with what I thought was plenty
> of wiggle room, but my actual measured range was 1300-2300, with most
> days in the 1800 area.
>
> JC will say I should eat less, but as far as I can tell, my issue is I
> need to *drink* less as it's the damned cream in my coffee that's
> killing me here. The coffee, even with cream and sweetener, has little
> enough carb and protein that I don't feel it's necessary to test my bg
> after every single cup. I just drink an awful lot of it, especially
> when I'm working at the computer for long periods. I can easily cut
> several hundred calories from my diet doing so and may need to think
> about that in the future.
>
> Right now, it's not a big issue, as I'm still losing weight and it's not
> doing much to my bg one way or the other, but it's a potential future
> concern. I don't like black coffee and I also don't find limiting
> coffee intake works for me well, so I may have to give it up in the
> future.
>
> I also had the plasure of seeing a fasting blood glucose of 112 this
> morning before I went to the doctor. Lowest reading I've had all year!
> Woohoo! It's a bit ironic because I was going primarily to discuss
> the fact that my metformin dosage needed increasing due to poor blood
> glucose readings and I'd just gotten the best reading of the year.
>
> I found my doctor pretty clueful when I met him last time and he found
> me clueful also. We each congragulated the other on being a good doctor
> and a good patient.
>
> I'd been on 500 mg twice a day and the doctor looked over my data, then
> gave me a few hundred samples of 850 mg pills and told me to increase
> the dosage gradually and just come back in 4 weeks to tell him how much
> I should be taking so he can write the appropriate prescription. Heh.
>
> Note: I've got the pharamecutical insert intended for physicians and can
> read it as well as he can since I used to be a biochemist. So it's not
> quite as irresponsible as it might sound for him to just tell me to
> figure out the dosage myself since he knows I'm quite capable of doing
> it as well as he is.
>
> So... it's been an interesting little week of gathering data, I've
> learned a lot about my own personal little science experiment here.
>
> --
> As you accelerate your food, it takes exponentially more and more energy
> to increase its velocity, until you hit a limit at C. This energy has
> to come from somewhere; in this case, from the food's nutritional value.
> Thus, the faster the food is, the worse it gets.
> -- Mark Hughes, comprehending the taste of fast food
>

[Jackie Patti]

Luna wrote:

> In article >,
> "Roger Zoul" > wrote:
>
>>Well, IMO, you can learn to like black coffee....
>>
>>::
>
> I totally agree. I am also a coffee fiend, and I was getting too many
> calories from my half and half. I started drinking it black with sweetener
> and cinnamon, and I don't miss the half and half at all. This was the
> easiest place to cut calories for me.

I've tried this in the past and just can't get used to it; tastes nasty
to me. If it comes down to it, I'd really rather just quit coffee.
Hopefully, it won't come to that.

Meanwhile, having thought about the immediate situation... I think I
need to watch my protein a bit more closely to get it to a more
consistent level of intake if I want my blood glucose stabilized.

I think that's what I'm going to focus on immediatly while continuining
to adjust the metformin dose.

--
As you accelerate your food, it takes exponentially more and more energy
to increase its velocity, until you hit a limit at C. This energy has
to come from somewhere; in this case, from the food's nutritional value.
Thus, the faster the food is, the worse it gets.
-- Mark Hughes, comprehending the taste of fast food

[freeborn]

> > Well, IMO, you can learn to like black coffee....
>
> Or just use less cream. I find that if I pour cream into my cup from the
> carton, I'll usually use a tablespoon or so, and that tastes fine to me.
But
> I usually follow the habit of pouring out the cream into my teaspoon and
> then stirring it in, which is 1/3 the calories and fat, and that seems to
> whiten it for me and give it that smooth creamy mouthfeel, even for a
> good-sized mug. It's all in what you're used to I guess, but I think a lot
> of people use more cream than they really need.
>
>

Ah. Thank you all.
I need to start measuring my coffee cream.
I might try making my coffee a bit lighter too.

*

[The Queen of Cans and Jars]

JC Der Koenig > wrote:

> "Eat less" is actually short for "consume less calories, whether they be in
> solid or liquid form".
>
> HTH

fewer calories, not less.

hth

[JC Der Koenig]

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
...
> JC Der Koenig > wrote:
>
> > "Eat less" is actually short for "consume less calories, whether they be
in
> > solid or liquid form".
> >
> > HTH
>
> fewer calories, not less.
>
> hth

That helps a lot.

[Roger Zoul]

Luna wrote:
:: In article >,
:: "Roger Zoul" > wrote:
::
:::
::: Well, IMO, you can learn to like black coffee....
:::
:::::
::
::
:: I totally agree. I am also a coffee fiend, and I was getting too
:: many calories from my half and half. I started drinking it black
:: with sweetener and cinnamon, and I don't miss the half and half at
:: all. This was the easiest place to cut calories for me.

Exactly what I did....exactly...cinnamon makes a nice flavor...

[Jim Bard]

Don't think of it as quitting coffee, think of it as quitting coffee for
awhile.

Habits are easier to change than most people think. That's why they don't
change them.

[The Queen of Cans and Jars]

JC Der Koenig > wrote:

> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
> ...
> > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> >
> > > "Eat less" is actually short for "consume less calories, whether they be
> in
> > > solid or liquid form".
> > >
> > > HTH
> >
> > fewer calories, not less.
> >
> > hth
>
> That helps a lot.

less food, fewer calories.

:)

[JC Der Koenig]

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
...
> JC Der Koenig > wrote:
>
> > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Eat less" is actually short for "consume less calories, whether
they be
> > in
> > > > solid or liquid form".
> > > >
> > > > HTH
> > >
> > > fewer calories, not less.
> > >
> > > hth
> >
> > That helps a lot.
>
> less food, fewer calories.
>

I'm overwhelmed by your support.

[Reb]

"Jackie Patti" > wrote in message
...
> killing me here. The coffee, even with cream and sweetener, has little
> enough carb and protein that I don't feel it's necessary to test my bg
> after every single cup. I just drink an awful lot of it, especially
> when I'm working at the computer for long periods. I can easily cut
> several hundred calories from my diet doing so and may need to think
> about that in the future.


How about using half and half instead of cream? The carb difference is
negligible, but it has less than half the calories. Or even milk (low-carb
milk if you are going to use *that* much of it.)

Reb

[The Queen of Cans and Jars]

JC Der Koenig > wrote:

> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Eat less" is actually short for "consume less calories, whether
> > > > > they be in solid or liquid form".
> > > > >
> > > > > HTH
> > > >
> > > > fewer calories, not less.
> > > >
> > > > hth
> > >
> > > That helps a lot.
> >
> > less food, fewer calories.
> >
>
> I'm overwhelmed by your support.

as an educator, you should care about the proper use of language.

plus, you already know how to eat. you don't need my support for that.

[JC Der Koenig]

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
. ..
> JC Der Koenig > wrote:
>
> > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "Eat less" is actually short for "consume less calories, whether
> > > > > > they be in solid or liquid form".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HTH
> > > > >
> > > > > fewer calories, not less.
> > > > >
> > > > > hth
> > > >
> > > > That helps a lot.
> > >
> > > less food, fewer calories.
> > >
> >
> > I'm overwhelmed by your support.
>
> as an educator, you should care about the proper use of language.
>
> plus, you already know how to eat. you don't need my support for that.


I can remember being docked points for improper usage in a college English
class, but never for improper capitalization.

[The Queen of Cans and Jars]

JC Der Koenig > wrote:

> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > > > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Eat less" is actually short for "consume less calories, whether
> > > > > > > they be in solid or liquid form".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > HTH
> > > > > >
> > > > > > fewer calories, not less.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hth
> > > > >
> > > > > That helps a lot.
> > > >
> > > > less food, fewer calories.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm overwhelmed by your support.
> >
> > as an educator, you should care about the proper use of language.
> >
> > plus, you already know how to eat. you don't need my support for that.
>
>
> I can remember being docked points for improper usage in a college English
> class, but never for improper capitalization.

do you honestly think i turn in papers written without capitalization?
sheesh.

[Saffire]

In article <Xbppc.30002$bS1.17569@okepread02>, says...
> Ah. Thank you all.
> I need to start measuring my coffee cream.
> I might try making my coffee a bit lighter too.

I started using half & half instead of cream -- cut's WAY down on the calories.
1 Tbl has .5 carb and 17.5 calories.

--
Saffire
205/157/125 - 5'2.5"
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

[JC Der Koenig]

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
...
> JC Der Koenig > wrote:
>
> > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > > > > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Eat less" is actually short for "consume less calories,
whether
> > > > > > > > they be in solid or liquid form".
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > HTH
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > fewer calories, not less.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > hth
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That helps a lot.
> > > > >
> > > > > less food, fewer calories.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm overwhelmed by your support.
> > >
> > > as an educator, you should care about the proper use of language.
> > >
> > > plus, you already know how to eat. you don't need my support for
that.
> >
> >
> > I can remember being docked points for improper usage in a college
English
> > class, but never for improper capitalization.
>
> do you honestly think i turn in papers written without capitalization?
> sheesh.

Do you honestly think I edit for usage, grammar, and punctuation, the same
as I would for a term paper?
Sheeeeeeeesh.

[Hannah Gruen]

"Saffire" > wrote

> I started using half & half instead of cream -- cut's WAY down on the
calories.
> 1 Tbl has .5 carb and 17.5 calories.

But... you could also use a teaspoon of whipping cream for approximately 15
calories and 0.1 g carb. I find I'm happier with a tsp. cream than with a
couple teaspoons of half and half.

The thing about cream that makes it... well... creamy-tasting in your coffee
is the butterfat. In heavy cream, there's mostly butterfat with a little bit
of water, a very small amount of milk sugar, and probably some proteins. So
you're getting your nice, creamy butterfat only slightly diluted. With half
and half, and more so with whole milk, you're getting some butterfat, but
much less per teaspoonful. And you're getting more water, milk sugar (carbs)
and protein stuff that doesn't add to the creaminess.

So the logical thing to do is go ahead and use the heavy cream, but limit
the amount. That's where most folks go wrong, they use heavy cream with
abandon, instead of sparingly.

HG

[The Queen of Cans and Jars]

JC Der Koenig > wrote:

> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > > > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > > > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > > > > > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Eat less" is actually short for "consume less calories,
> > > > > > > > > whether they be in solid or liquid form".
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > HTH
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > fewer calories, not less.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > hth
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That helps a lot.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > less food, fewer calories.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm overwhelmed by your support.
> > > >
> > > > as an educator, you should care about the proper use of language.
> > > >
> > > > plus, you already know how to eat. you don't need my support for
> > > > that.
> > >
> > >
> > > I can remember being docked points for improper usage in a college
> > > English class, but never for improper capitalization.
> >
> > do you honestly think i turn in papers written without capitalization?
> > sheesh.
>
> Do you honestly think I edit for usage, grammar, and punctuation, the same
> as I would for a term paper?
> Sheeeeeeeesh.

knowing the difference between "fewer" and "less" is awfully basic. is
it so hard for you to admit that you blew it? come on. we *know*
you're not perfect.

[JC Der Koenig]

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
. ..
> JC Der Koenig > wrote:
>
> > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > > > > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > > > > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Eat less" is actually short for "consume less calories,
> > > > > > > > > > whether they be in solid or liquid form".
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > HTH
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > fewer calories, not less.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > hth
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That helps a lot.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > less food, fewer calories.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm overwhelmed by your support.
> > > > >
> > > > > as an educator, you should care about the proper use of language.
> > > > >
> > > > > plus, you already know how to eat. you don't need my support for
> > > > > that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I can remember being docked points for improper usage in a college
> > > > English class, but never for improper capitalization.
> > >
> > > do you honestly think i turn in papers written without capitalization?
> > > sheesh.
> >
> > Do you honestly think I edit for usage, grammar, and punctuation, the
same
> > as I would for a term paper?
> > Sheeeeeeeesh.
>
> knowing the difference between "fewer" and "less" is awfully basic. is
> it so hard for you to admit that you blew it? come on. we *know*
> you're not perfect.

I already admitted that I blew it, in the sense that the usage was not
absolutely by the book. (My intention was to tie less and less together, as
to facilitate understanding by the less gifted, so I believe I should be
granted poetic license in this instance.) Can you not see where I admitted
it? Do I have to CAPITALIZE it for you?

[Luna]

In article >,
(The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:

> JC Der Koenig > wrote:
>
> > "Eat less" is actually short for "consume less calories, whether they be in
> > solid or liquid form".
> >
> > HTH
>
> fewer calories, not less.
>
> hth

And those signs at the express lane at the grocery store should say "10
items or fewer" not "10 items or less." And the part that says "No checks
please" needs to be a lot bigger since I've never seen an old lady in the
express lane with good enough vision to read that part of the sign,
apparently.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

[The Queen of Cans and Jars]

JC Der Koenig > wrote:

> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > > > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > > > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > > > > > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Eat less" is actually short for "consume less calories,
> > > > > > > > > > > whether they be in solid or liquid form".
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > HTH
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > fewer calories, not less.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > hth
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > That helps a lot.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > less food, fewer calories.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm overwhelmed by your support.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > as an educator, you should care about the proper use of language.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > plus, you already know how to eat. you don't need my support for
> > > > > > that.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I can remember being docked points for improper usage in a college
> > > > > English class, but never for improper capitalization.
> > > >
> > > > do you honestly think i turn in papers written without capitalization?
> > > > sheesh.
> > >
> > > Do you honestly think I edit for usage, grammar, and punctuation, the
> > > same as I would for a term paper? Sheeeeeeeesh.
> >
> > knowing the difference between "fewer" and "less" is awfully basic. is
> > it so hard for you to admit that you blew it? come on. we *know*
> > you're not perfect.
>
> I already admitted that I blew it, in the sense that the usage was not
> absolutely by the book. (My intention was to tie less and less together, as
> to facilitate understanding by the less gifted, so I believe I should be
> granted poetic license in this instance.) Can you not see where I admitted
> it? Do I have to CAPITALIZE it for you?

you're so easily trolled, dear.

[JC Der Koenig]

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
. ..
> JC Der Koenig > wrote:
>
> > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > > > > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > > > > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" >
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Eat less" is actually short for "consume less
calories,
> > > > > > > > > > > > whether they be in solid or liquid form".
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > HTH
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > fewer calories, not less.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > hth
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > That helps a lot.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > less food, fewer calories.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm overwhelmed by your support.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > as an educator, you should care about the proper use of
language.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > plus, you already know how to eat. you don't need my support
for
> > > > > > > that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can remember being docked points for improper usage in a
college
> > > > > > English class, but never for improper capitalization.
> > > > >
> > > > > do you honestly think i turn in papers written without
capitalization?
> > > > > sheesh.
> > > >
> > > > Do you honestly think I edit for usage, grammar, and punctuation,
the
> > > > same as I would for a term paper? Sheeeeeeeesh.
> > >
> > > knowing the difference between "fewer" and "less" is awfully basic.
is
> > > it so hard for you to admit that you blew it? come on. we *know*
> > > you're not perfect.
> >
> > I already admitted that I blew it, in the sense that the usage was not
> > absolutely by the book. (My intention was to tie less and less together,
as
> > to facilitate understanding by the less gifted, so I believe I should be
> > granted poetic license in this instance.) Can you not see where I
admitted
> > it? Do I have to CAPITALIZE it for you?
>
> you're so easily trolled, dear.

Only by you, dear.

[The Queen of Cans and Jars]

JC Der Koenig > wrote:

> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
>
> > you're so easily trolled, dear.
>
> Only by you, dear.

I wouldn't do it if I didn't like ya ;)

[JC Der Koenig]

I know.

--
I wake up every morning and remember that I get to spend all day with me. It
doesn't get any better than that. -- MFW


"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
.. .
> JC Der Koenig > wrote:
>
> > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> >
> > > you're so easily trolled, dear.
> >
> > Only by you, dear.
>
> I wouldn't do it if I didn't like ya ;)
>

[eff]

"JC Der Koenig" > wrote in message
. ..
| I know.
|
| "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
| .. .
| > JC Der Koenig > wrote:
| >
| > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
| > >
| > > > you're so easily trolled, dear.
| > >
| > > Only by you, dear.
| >
| > I wouldn't do it if I didn't like ya ;)
| >
|

One of those rarer than rare occasions when QOCAJ has found an affinity with a
top poster.

Next chapter: Waiting for the Next Total Solar Eclipse. It's a long read. ;-)

eff

[freeborn]

> | >
> | > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> | > >
> | > > > you're so easily trolled, dear.
> | > >
> | > > Only by you, dear.
> | >
> | > I wouldn't do it if I didn't like ya ;)
> | >
> |
>
> One of those rarer than rare occasions when QOCAJ has found an affinity
with a
> top poster.
>

How does everyone know what those caps mean ? I feel so excluded !
:-)
Maybe it's in the FAQ.

*


> Next chapter: Waiting for the Next Total Solar Eclipse. It's a long
read. ;-)
>
> eff
>
>
>

[Harold Groot]

On Sun, 16 May 2004 09:27:53 -0700, "freeborn" >
wrote:

>> | > > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:

<snip part with no caps>

>> One of those rarer than rare occasions when QOCAJ has found
>> an affinity with a top poster.

>How does everyone know what those caps mean ? I feel so excluded !
>:-)
>Maybe it's in the FAQ.

OK, I see the smiley. Nonetheless, for someone else who also might be
wondering about this sort of thing - sometimes you just need to look
around. QOCAJ in this case is pretty easy to tie to the Queen of Cans
and Jars, an earlier poster in the thread and right there in the
quoted part of the message.